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    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
    People are not found dead on the streets from lack of healthcare in America. They are found dead from violence , opioid abuse, alcohol abuse etc. Over 40,000 die from the effects of legal prescription drugs. Many die from infections they have gotten while in the hospital.

    Court decisions are fine when they favor Democrats , but when they rule against them, watch out. This is very similar to the Dems losing an election.
    No, they die in their homes, in ambulances, ER’s and hospitals. Sometimes yes in the streets

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      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
      Here's the other favorite cons keep trying to bring up with Trump is John Edwards. As laid out in this piece here, Edwards case is similar but yet also very different from Trump. A few highlights

      https://abovethelaw.com/2018/12/stop...edwardss-case/

      1. TRUMP’S CO-CONSPIRATORS ADMIT TO THE FRAUDULENT CONSPIRACY

      Do you remember that time John Edwards’s personal attorney pleaded in open court to violating campaign finance laws and lying to Congress at the behest of the candidate? No, you don’t remember that, because that DIDN’T HAPPEN to John Edwards.

      Trump’s personal attorney, Michael Cohen, just got sent to jail. He admitted to paying off two women, Stephanie Clifford and Karen McDougal. He admitted to lying about it. He alleges that he did so at the behest of Donald Trump.

      John Edwards did have co-conspirators rolling on him. But the prosecution could not show that either Edwards, or anybody on his staff, solicited campaign contributions specifically for the purposes of paying off his mistress, Rielle Hunter. There was no tape of Edwards telling his lawyer to make it “cash.” There was no tape of Edwards pretending to know nothing about the hush money payments that he himself ordered.

      2. THE NATIONAL ENQUIRER WAS PART OF THE HUSH MONEY SCHEME
      Karen McDougal has always been a bigger danger to Trump than Stormy Daniels because of AMI’s involvement. Trump’s defenses against campaign finance violations involving McDougal basically requires Cohen and David Pecker to organize expensive payments and underhanded schemes to kill McDougal’s story, without once asking Trump, “Hey, did you f**k Karen McDougal?”
      John Edwards was his own personal attorney. He knew the law. Edwards practiced law for 20 years before being elected to the Senate.

      Trump made the mistake of getting involved with an Avenatti type lawyer whose primary goals in life was himself. This "the devil made me do it" is BS unless Trump was holding a gun to his head.

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        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
        No, they die in their homes, in ambulances, ER’s and hospitals. Sometimes yes in the streets
        Estimates of annual deaths range from a low of 24,000 a year to 45K

        https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/sto...alth-coverage/

        then there's the millions who delay or don't get care when simple things can prevent needless illnesses and suffering

        "Health insurance makes a difference in whether and when people get necessary medical care, where they get their care, and ultimately, how healthy they are. Uninsured adults are far more likely than those with insurance to postpone health care or forgo it altogether. The consequences can be severe, particularly when preventable conditions or chronic diseases go undetected.

        Key Details:
        Studies repeatedly demonstrate that the uninsured are less likely than those with insurance to receive preventive care and services for major health conditions and chronic diseases.25, 26 One in five (20%) nonelderly adults without coverage say that they went without care in the past year because of cost compared to 3% of adults with private coverage and 8% of adults with public coverage. Part of the reason for poor access among the uninsured is that many (50%) do not have a regular place to go when they are sick or need medical advice (Figure 8).

        Because of the cost of care, many uninsured people do not obtain the treatments their health care providers recommend for them. In 2017, uninsured nonelderly adults were more than three times as likely as adults with private coverage to say that they postponed or did not get a needed prescription drug due to cost (19% vs. 6%).27 And while insured and uninsured people who are injured or newly diagnosed with a chronic condition receive similar plans for follow-up care, people without health coverage are less likely than those with coverage to obtain all the recommended services.

        Because people without health coverage are less likely than those with insurance to have regular outpatient care, they are more likely to be hospitalized for avoidable health problems and to experience declines in their overall health. When they are hospitalized, uninsured people receive fewer diagnostic and therapeutic services and also have higher mortality rates than those with insurance

        Research demonstrates that gaining health insurance improves access to health care considerably and diminishes the adverse effects of having been uninsured. A seminal study of a Medicaid expansion in Oregon found that uninsured adults who gained Medicaid coverage were more likely to receive care than their counterparts who did not gain coverage. A comprehensive review of research on the effects of the ACA Medicaid expansion finds that expansion led to positive effects on access to care, utilization of services, the affordability of care, and financial security among the low-income population

        https://www.kff.org/uninsured/fact-s...ed-population/

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          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
          John Edwards was his own personal attorney. He knew the law. Edwards practiced law for 20 years before being elected to the Senate.

          Trump made the mistake of getting involved with an Avenatti type lawyer whose primary goals in life was himself. This "the devil made me do it" is BS unless Trump was holding a gun to his head.
          Cohen was his personal attorney for ten years. TEN. Now Trump keeps trying to pretend the guy didn't do anything for him. It's laughable.

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            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
            Cons are glossing over the Butina/NRA story big time, hoping it will go away. Imagine if the Russians had tried to infiltrate the Sandy Hook Promise or Planned Parenthood to funnel $ to Obama or HRC?

            I hope her scrawny azz gets deported back to Russia. They better have not given her witness protection that the taxpayers have to pay for. I wonder what her prison-mates will think of her?
            So Butina pleads, after 5 months in solitary confinement, to one count of work as a foreign agent. NPR reports:

            Other said they doubted Butina was working directly for Russian intelligence.

            It’s unlikely “Butina was actually a formal intelligence officer,” said Steven Hall, a former CIA official and Russia expert. Instead, Hall said, Butin was probably “a Russian citizen who was approached by members of the Russian government.”

            Before coming to the United States, Marina was a gun rights activist in Russia, making
            appearances on national television shows and speaking at public events. She was also the founder and leader of “Right to Arms,” a Russian gun rights group.

            In 2014, she participated in online elections to be part of the Civic Chamber of the Russian Federation, a civil society institution that monitors the Russian .She portrayed herself as a candidate who would advocate for gun rights.

            Butina left “Right to Arms” in 2015 when she was accepted to a master’s program at American University in Washington, D.C.


            Just another tempest in a teapot.

            https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politic...ahaGLupHW2luaA

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              ^^^^ Correction: PBS reports.

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                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                Cohen was his personal attorney for ten years. TEN. Now Trump keeps trying to pretend the guy didn't do anything for him. It's laughable.
                Let me repeat because obviously you are having a hard time comprehending.

                John Edwards was his own personal attorney. He knew the law. Edwards practiced law for 20 years before being elected to the Senate.

                Trump made the mistake of getting involved with an Avenatti type lawyer whose primary goals in life was himself. This "the devil made me do it" is BS unless Trump was holding a gun to his head.

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                  Looks like the right has finally taken a lesson from the left in judge shopping.


                  Trump pushes Congress for new health law after court ruling
                  https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politic...r-court-ruling

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                    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                    Zinke, another of Trump’s swamp monsters is gone. Is facing something like 20 investigations.
                    And the 🤡 ‘s resignation letter cites political attacks against him

                    Criminal snowflakes are the worst kind

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                      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                      Judy Woodruff:

                      You said voters in your state voted against their own economic interests?

                      Sen. Heidi Heitkamp, D-N.D.:

                      Sure. That always happens.

                      Judy Woodruff:

                      But that says the voters don't understand what's going on. I mean, is that what you're saying?

                      Sen. Heidi Heitkamp, D-N.D.:

                      Because we have different priorities.

                      Sen. Claire McCaskill, D-Mo.:

                      And, also, I think it's very unfair to ever look down your nose at these voters. They are frustrated. They have worked hard. They have played by the rules, and they're not doing as well as their parents.

                      They don't feel like the dignity of their work is being respected or recognized. They think my party, our party has been too fixated on identity politics and cultural politics, and not enough on who they are and their frustrations and angst.

                      And give the marketer-in-chief credit. He may have a tortured relationship with the truth, but he tapped into that vein of anger and frustration of a lot of working-class voters, particularly in rural areas.
                      Aren’t these two people who weren’t able to reach those voters ....but let’s see ...joe manchin ....Jon tester ...Beto o’rourke even ....did ....

                      Shouldn’t you be listening to how the winners won?

                      I see you , cheap little con! Can’t you do better ?

                      PS gonna be +41 after d takes NC-09, site of greatest election fraud in American history

                      It was a GOP thang ....

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                        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                        So Butina pleads, after 5 months in solitary confinement, to one count of work as a foreign agent. NPR reports:

                        Other said they doubted Butina was working directly for Russian intelligence.

                        It’s unlikely “Butina was actually a formal intelligence officer,” said Steven Hall, a former CIA official and Russia expert. Instead, Hall said, Butin was probably “a Russian citizen who was approached by members of the Russian government.”

                        Before coming to the United States, Marina was a gun rights activist in Russia, making
                        appearances on national television shows and speaking at public events. She was also the founder and leader of “Right to Arms,” a Russian gun rights group.

                        In 2014, she participated in online elections to be part of the Civic Chamber of the Russian Federation, a civil society institution that monitors the Russian .She portrayed herself as a candidate who would advocate for gun rights.

                        Butina left “Right to Arms” in 2015 when she was accepted to a master’s program at American University in Washington, D.C.


                        Just another tempest in a teapot.

                        https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politic...ahaGLupHW2luaA
                        Hahahahahahahahahahaha

                        Con IF this was President Clinton you would be singing a different tune ....after all you STILL froth at the mouth over the Clintons

                        Enjoy the next few years ....I was just off by two years and now your party , your movement ....

                        Well let’s just watch where it all goes ....

                        Tee hee
                        Bwa ha ha
                        😂😂😂🍿😂

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                          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                          Cohen is facing three years in prison (set to begin March 6) and $2 million in fines, forfeitures and restitution for what? Perhaps TMan might like to tell us all because it sure isn't a over campaign violation.
                          The court filing indicates that crimes committed in CONSPIRACY and AT THE DIRECTION of Trump.

                          Simple question, simple and true answer. Go look it up

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                            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                            Estimates of annual deaths range from a low of 24,000 a year to 45K

                            https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/sto...alth-coverage/

                            then there's the millions who delay or don't get care when simple things can prevent needless illnesses and suffering

                            "Health insurance makes a difference in whether and when people get necessary medical care, where they get their care, and ultimately, how healthy they are. Uninsured adults are far more likely than those with insurance to postpone health care or forgo it altogether. The consequences can be severe, particularly when preventable conditions or chronic diseases go undetected.

                            Key Details:
                            Studies repeatedly demonstrate that the uninsured are less likely than those with insurance to receive preventive care and services for major health conditions and chronic diseases.25, 26 One in five (20%) nonelderly adults without coverage say that they went without care in the past year because of cost compared to 3% of adults with private coverage and 8% of adults with public coverage. Part of the reason for poor access among the uninsured is that many (50%) do not have a regular place to go when they are sick or need medical advice (Figure 8).

                            Because of the cost of care, many uninsured people do not obtain the treatments their health care providers recommend for them. In 2017, uninsured nonelderly adults were more than three times as likely as adults with private coverage to say that they postponed or did not get a needed prescription drug due to cost (19% vs. 6%).27 And while insured and uninsured people who are injured or newly diagnosed with a chronic condition receive similar plans for follow-up care, people without health coverage are less likely than those with coverage to obtain all the recommended services.

                            Because people without health coverage are less likely than those with insurance to have regular outpatient care, they are more likely to be hospitalized for avoidable health problems and to experience declines in their overall health. When they are hospitalized, uninsured people receive fewer diagnostic and therapeutic services and also have higher mortality rates than those with insurance

                            Research demonstrates that gaining health insurance improves access to health care considerably and diminishes the adverse effects of having been uninsured. A seminal study of a Medicaid expansion in Oregon found that uninsured adults who gained Medicaid coverage were more likely to receive care than their counterparts who did not gain coverage. A comprehensive review of research on the effects of the ACA Medicaid expansion finds that expansion led to positive effects on access to care, utilization of services, the affordability of care, and financial security among the low-income population

                            https://www.kff.org/uninsured/fact-s...ed-population/
                            When high deductibles cause even insured patients to postpone care
                            https://money.cnn.com/2017/08/05/new...are/index.html

                            Is Obamacare really affordable? Not for the middle class
                            https://money.cnn.com/2016/11/04/new...ble/index.html

                            For many middle class Americans -- a single person earning more than $47,520 or a family of four with an income of $97,200 -- the pricey premiums and deductibles mean health care coverage remains out of reach.

                            The real problem is that health care is very expensive, Levitt said. But most Americans don't realize the true cost because they are shielded by their employers.

                            Some 150 million people have insurance through work, paying only about $440 a month for a family plan, while employers cover the rest, or about $1,075.

                            For the 10.5 million enrollees on the Obamamcare exchanges, health insurance costs are more transparent. And more of the burden falls on the consumers. That is leaving an untold number of Americans opting to remain uninsured, rather than shell out thousands a year for premiums and deductibles. In 2015, 46% of uninsured adults said that they tried to get coverage but did not because it was too expensive, a Kaiser study found.

                            The big price spikes for 2017 have some current Obamacare enrollees wondering whether they'll renew their plans next year or opt to pay the penalty of $695 per person, or 2.5% of income, whichever is larger.

                            Before the Obamacare exchanges opened in 2014, Solesky had an individual insurance plan that cost her $215 a month to cover herself and her two sons. The deductible was $5,000. But the carrier wouldn't cover her husband because he had high blood pressure.

                            Initially, Solesky was looking forward to Obamacare because it did not allow insurers to exclude those with pre-existing conditions, like her husband. But she did not expect the prices to be so high. She's now considering dropping her plan and paying the penalty, especially since the only medical care the family received this year beyond an annual check-up was a mammogram for Solesky.

                            While costs vary widely across states and carriers, the average national prices give some insight into just how steep Obamacare premiums and deductibles can be for the non-subsidized. A 30-year-old will pay an average of $311 a month for the lowest-level bronze plan for 2017, while a 60-year-old will pay an average of $744, according to a review by HealthPocket, which analyzes insurance plans. Both rose 21% from this year. And the average deductible on a bronze plan will top $6,000 next year for an individual and come in at nearly $12,400 for a family.

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                              I love it ...the Russian on the board defending the most criminal man to ever get near Oval and fervently at that.

                              Any you other supposed cons here wondering yet if old Bore-is is really what he pretends to be? He’s out in front of most cons in rabidly defending ALL things Trump whereas I get the sense that some of you have begun to understand the devil’s bargain the right made with trump.

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                                Obamacare ! Michelle! Beyoncé ! Bill Clinton ! Hillary Clinton! Maxine Waters! Al Shapton ! Jay z! T-man !

                                Where do your politics of personal destruction lead next ?

                                You are scum by the way.

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