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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostWhat exactly do you expect the club to do for your child?
The level of your kid will be very evident after her first u15 or u16 (ninth grade) showcase. Assuming it's a high level showcase with greater than 25 D1 coaches representing the higher levels were watching. Many of these games there were 80plus. Not all at once usually for a half.
After a showcase of the coach is called or emailed asking to relay interest to your kid and asking the kid to call on their cell by top level coaches, regardless of whether the kid initially invited the coach to come watch, your kid is a top level recruit. If no spontaneous interest is generated at this event assuming your kid was healthy and at her best she will have to set her sights lower.
This is when the parent friendliness begins to evaporate. Jealousy is everywhere especially asnkids start scheduling and making unofficial visits. Through social media all the kids know where they are all looking and it can get pretty cold. Similarly the games change as the kids start looking out for their own interest. Even going so far as refusing to pass to kids they see as competitors now. The fun is over as they enter high school.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostYou can detract his coaching ability if you like but I watched him for years, he was pretty darn good. His problem was he was always trying to make chicken salad out of chicken poop. Half the kids he had on our team had no clue what he was trying to get them to do because the reality was they just weren't good enough to process what he was telling them. His problem as a coach was that he did have several players like my daughter that got it but then got frustrated with having to keep going over the same material. The sad part is it wasn't all that complicated, it was really learning how to read the field and adjust the attack on the fly, some kids just couldn't grasp it though. Now that my kid is in college, that is exactly what they are doing, only in spades.
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Originally posted by SuzieSkywalker View PostYou have blinders on if you think all of these recent moves are easy to understand. I have talked to seasoned coaches who are not sure themselves what they all mean.
I don't think that there is a perfect solution out there. I think a lot depends on the type of child you have and what type of coaching they thrive under. Our experience so far has been that the leagues our team plays in is not nearly as important as the group of girls my daughter plays with.
I have seen the competition in the ECNL. It is just as variable as any other league or tournament our daughter has played in. No matter where we go the difference between the teams always seems to come down to one or two special players. Based upon what we have seen those special players are pretty evenly distributed.
Hmmm....Does this sound like anyone we know???
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Originally posted by beentheredonethat View PostIf you have a boy and aren’t watching these games you have no idea what is going on. You should shut your mouth because you are sticking both of your feet in it and the soles are filled with dog crap. What is going on has nothing what so ever to do with development and everything to do with that club’s obsessive need to win by any means necessary. I have no problem what so ever with dual rostering and in fact my daughter has played a number of games this spring for other NEFC teams. As far as I am concerned though, if you really are trying to develop players you don’t move them laterally across leagues within their own age group so they can impact league standings, you move them up into older age groups like every other club we have seen is doing. The Stars are the only ones obviously trying to alter the league standings by switching players around the way they are. What they are doing is incredibly disrespectful to the every other coach and player that is involved with one of the competitions they are involved with. It is disgusting to call it development because it most certainly is not.
Yesterday’s U15 Region 1 games are a perfect example of how what the Stars are doing just craps on everyone else. Their Stars West team was down in NJ with us playing PDA and Brentwood. These were hardly blow off games because the other three teams were all competing for the top spot and chance to advance to the league playoff next week down in Delaware. In addition to the league standings, there were a number of scenarios where goal differential might have made a difference. The Stars had a conflict with their ECNL schedule so they only sent 9 field players to play in the R1 games. Stars West lost both games by a combined score of 12-1. I feel very sorry for those players and their families who had to make that trip yesterday because it was a farce. Suffice to say that the Stars West team both MPS and NEFC played back in March was not the same team the rest of the league faced and that had a material impact on the entire league. That team only played two games and bagged the rest. The bottom line is if you are not going to support the league you shouldn’t enter into it because actions like that invalidate what everyone else is doing. It is bs to caulk it off as development. Personally, I would like nothing better than to have my daughter's club boycott the Stars games in the State Cup. If winning the damn thing is so important to them, let's just agree to give them the damn trophy so the rest of us can get on with things.
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And then a few posts later.....this....
Originally posted by SuzieSkywalker View PostThis gets right to the point, doesn’t it? You may have spared some of your families, but not all of them, and you certainly didn’t spare anyone outside of the Stars. This is precisely the cold, calculating, and disrespectful sort of attitude I personally and so many others find so offensive. I could actually care less whether you value the R1PL, the central issue is the Stars as a club decided to enter a team into a league and then chose not to support it. By doing that you screwed way more people than you actually want to consider. That is a rather sad indictment on how you run that club. Basically you don’t give a hoot about anybody, including the very families that support your club.
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Here is what your families should start considering. The Stars are not going to pay the price for your transgressions, they are. As a former supporter I know full well that every family knows exactly just how tenuous their child’s spot is on one of your teams. For heaven’s sake, everyone within the entire state knows how you threaten and belittle your players and lord knows that no one is exactly blind to what the constant recruiting actually means. Your own sideline jokes in a gallows way how you would cut your own mother if you thought someone else would score more goals. We all just ignore it hoping that we can endure long enough to reach what we all stupidly think is a pot of gold at the end. In the end though a good number of us either burn out, run out of money or just realize the pot of gold just wasn’t what we thought it was and look to leave the club. The problem is there is not as many options as we would like to think.
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What the other Stars families never seem to take into account though is where are they going to go if their daughter does get cut or finally has had enough and asks to leave? The sad truth that we learned is there are not a whole lot of open arms just dying to scoop up ex-Stars players. When players such as my daughter leave the Stars they are usually burnt out on soccer and dispirited from the way they were treated. Let’s face the truth, it is not like the girls have much left to bring to a new team and what the parents will find is the other clubs/coaches already know this. What we found was most think there is just too much baggage to take a chance on. The older the girls are and more ingrained the Stars culture is in them the more true this becomes. On top of that, the Stars families should probably also factor in how angry some of these clubs are with the Stars for their shenanigans. Issues this R1PL fiasco really do cause hard feelings and that does create difficulty when one of the families wants to or is forced to leave. The way some of us left our other clubs doesn’t help either. The other clubs hate the Stars and a lot of us burned bridges to join them so no one should expect to get a break if you decide leave. You’ll be real lucky to get out of hell.
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Originally posted by UnregisteredAnd then a few posts later.....this....
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostAnd then a few posts later.....this....
us normal people are interested in this crap?
Have anything to contribute to the recruiting topic? No? That’s what I thought.
Anyway - back to the topic at hand..
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostWhat the eff does this have to do with this college recruitment thread? You are a psychopath to actually pull up these old posts and put them into a current thread. I guess you think
us normal people are interested in this crap?
Have anything to contribute to the recruiting topic? No? That’s what I thought.
Anyway - back to the topic at hand..
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostWhat the eff does this have to do with this college recruitment thread? You are a psychopath to actually pull up these old posts and put them into a current thread. I guess you think
us normal people are interested in this crap?
Have anything to contribute to the recruiting topic? No? That’s what I thought.
Anyway - back to the topic at hand..
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostJust want you to fully understand the kind of real psychopath you are dealing with. Think about the lengths he went to....and TODAY he is calling his kid's teammates (NEFC teammates) "poop." Beautiful human being who is truly interested in you and your child's welfare.
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Originally posted by UnregistereDude you need help. Seriously this has nothing to do with the thread. Please only post comments regarding recruiting. Rebut points if you wish but this weird personal stuff when you are wrong much of the time is just sick.
To summarize the thread:
Recruiting for girls starts earlier for girls than boys. Superstars are spotted in 8th. For other strong players they are generally committed by 10th.
Be organized and targeted with outreach.
Parents shouldn’t be doing the outreach.
Verbals are just that. Your kids still need to meet standards.
What have I missed?
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostDude you need help. Seriously this has nothing to do with the thread. Please only post comments regarding recruiting. Rebut points if you wish but this weird personal stuff when you are wrong much of the time is just sick.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostJust look at the track record of the guy....that's all. Pretending to be a woman, of a kid who played for Stars and left, and has pretended to be many other things and people. And you wanna talk about sick.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostEveryone on this thread needs help, but we all get it, and the other sickos who frequent this site (all of us) understand that much of what is posted here is about him and his daughter. We just read it and move on.
To summarize the thread:
Recruiting for girls starts earlier for girls than boys. Superstars are spotted in 8th. For other strong players they are generally committed by 10th.
Be organized and targeted with outreach.
Parents shouldn’t be doing the outreach.
Verbals are just that. Your kids still need to meet standards.
What have I missed?
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