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    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
    Sorry, I don't follow. The claim above was that the enthusiasm for low quality, amateur club level competition at ages 10-13 is somehow connected to what "drives" soccer operates globally. That's a pretty dumb claim.

    If you have thoughts about other ways in which our system doesn't match up to global standards, that's totally legitimate. But it doesn't really have bearing on the legitimacy of whatever it is the 05 parent group/clubs are engaged in.
    Really, folks. Y'all are arguing over which is the best smelling cowpie in the pasture; which is the best ice hockey team in Libya. None of you have any clue what good youth soccer looks like unless it happens to kick your asses at a tourney in San Diego or Dallas or somewhere.

    All of you are soccer cavemen, arguing over whether the Stone Age or the Ice Age was nicer.

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      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
      Really, folks. Y'all are arguing over which is the best smelling cowpie in the pasture; which is the best ice hockey team in Libya. None of you have any clue what good youth soccer looks like unless it happens to kick your asses at a tourney in San Diego or Dallas or somewhere.

      All of you are soccer cavemen, arguing over whether the Stone Age or the Ice Age was nicer.
      Well or watch it on TV or youtube.

      Thank you for your insightful contribution though, which is essentially all our kids are ****.

      For the record, don't need your insight to keep my kids humble.

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        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
        Well or watch it on TV or youtube.

        Thank you for your insightful contribution though, which is essentially all our kids are ****.

        For the record, don't need your insight to keep my kids humble.
        I ain't saying the kids are ****. The clubs are. You don't think that the talent level of Iceland--a country with a population less than Washington County--is significantly better than our talent pool?

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          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
          I don't think there is data to support that Oregon clubs are more competitive than southern California clubs or Spanish clubs.
          You need to consider the gap between the level of competitiveness and the level of quality present in the 05 parent/club scene. It is unhinged from reality.

          Broadly, you should be extremely wary of comparing what you're doing to socal or Spain.

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            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
            Sorry you need your head examined, this bizarre and somewhat out of bounds obsession began on the forum when the boys were aged 10 & 11.

            Only a person without a brain would think this 'obsession with little boys' is a good thing, if they did (think it was a good thing) then it's normally reported to the authorities
            And yet here you are. It would seem that you are attempting to engage in the age old game of, "We, some off farted." To which of course, the standard reply is, "whoever smelt it, dealt it."

            So take your noxious gas elsewhere. Yes, there are fanatics on here, A-holes, (such as yourself) and trolls. But at the end of the day, there are a lot of people who are passionate about soccer. Just because you feel differently, or your child (assuming you have one, and are not a TA intern) doesn't play, doe not mean that the 05 parent group is pedophiles...so take your lame, douche canoe zzz elsewhere.

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              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
              Really, folks. Y'all are arguing over which is the best smelling cowpie in the pasture; which is the best ice hockey team in Libya. None of you have any clue what good youth soccer looks like unless it happens to kick your asses at a tourney in San Diego or Dallas or somewhere.

              All of you are soccer cavemen, arguing over whether the Stone Age or the Ice Age was nicer.
              So true. X fire did kick Southern Cal was in San Diego. Only team in Oregon that has done so on a consistent basis.

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                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                You need to consider the gap between the level of competitiveness and the level of quality present in the 05 parent/club scene. It is unhinged from reality.

                Broadly, you should be extremely wary of comparing what you're doing to socal or Spain.
                I can't help but notice your usage of the word "club." It would appear that you are exempting the biggest festering pile of dog crap in the area...TA. Spare us the sanctimonious spiel about how we are all naive and ignorant of real soccer and training. TA is the very definition of dumpster fire.

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                  Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                  I can't help but notice your usage of the word "club." It would appear that you are exempting the biggest festering pile of dog crap in the area...TA. Spare us the sanctimonious spiel about how we are all naive and ignorant of real soccer and training. TA is the very definition of dumpster fire.
                  No, your assumption is wrong. TA is included in this. They may be a step up from some of the local clubs, but everyone in town has a LONG way to go to approach a professional training environment.

                  Local clubs are fine if you want to have fun, or get a scholarship. And maybe even for reaching MLS.

                  But there's several levels of soccer above that that nobody from this state has come close to touching.

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                    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                    So true. X fire did kick Southern Cal was in San Diego. Only team in Oregon that has done so on a consistent basis.
                    Not all SoCal clubs are created equal. Crossfire did well against some, but against one of the top clubs, showed how much further it has to go. 9-0 poundings aren't the result of a bad day at the office; they are the result of a fundamental mismatch in skill between the two teams.

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                      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                      I ain't saying the kids are ****. The clubs are. You don't think that the talent level of Iceland--a country with a population less than Washington County--is significantly better than our talent pool?
                      If your criteria is production of professional soccer players, Icelandic clubs do well.

                      They also benefit from substantial federation investment in fields and coaching training and a financial environment based on training compensation and solidarity payment.

                      They also restrict how long kids can spend in a car to go to training (as do a number of European countries); blowing up the superclub as the solution to everything.

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                        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                        If your criteria is production of professional soccer players, Icelandic clubs do well.

                        They also benefit from substantial federation investment in fields and coaching training and a financial environment based on training compensation and solidarity payment.

                        They also restrict how long kids can spend in a car to go to training (as do a number of European countries); blowing up the superclub as the solution to everything.
                        Exactamundo!

                        If Iceland can field a World Cup team--why not Portland?

                        They have:
                        * a ton of insfrastrucutre
                        * A lot of coaches, with UEFA B licenses. Not a bunch of snake oil salesmen who go onto chatrooms and announce that "licenses are BS" and bamboozle clueless mommies with charm and a cute accent.
                        * They don't try and cram all all the good kiddies into some uber-team that can run down to Surf and bring home a trophy.

                        One reason the "superclub" model is popular here is the belief that All The Good Kids Must Play For The Same Team Otherwise They Are Wasting Their Time. That model might be useful if we could reliably identify Good Kids prior to the age of 15... but guess what, we can't. Instead we grab a bunch of kids, tell 'em they are special, and keep them far far away from the rest. If our guesses turn out to be right, great. If not--some other kid that might have benefited from playing with these kids but was told "sorry" misses out.

                        In other words, we close the funnel too dang early. And the reasons we do so are either sad (not enough good coaches/environments) or pathetic (we want a super team to go kick ass at Surf!!!) or utterly selfish (we want a super team that College Scouts Might Pay Attention To).

                        TA honks and Crossfire honks arguing about who is better is just... SMGDH.

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                          Sorry, but which one is a "superclub"? The teams that have 2 or 3 halfway good players get beat by the teams that have 3 or 4. The kids on all teams can barely train at a reasonable level because every 2nd kid is bad, and every 3rd kid is barely even a soccer player. By March any decent coach is ready to slit his wrists.

                          Honestly? You might want to give the "superclub" model a try.

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                            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                            Not all SoCal clubs are created equal. Crossfire did well against some, but against one of the top clubs, showed how much further it has to go. 9-0 poundings aren't the result of a bad day at the office; they are the result of a fundamental mismatch in skill between the two teams.
                            Were you there? Otherwise you don't know what actually happened and you're simply back to making generalizations.

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                              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                              Sorry, but which one is a "superclub"? The teams that have 2 or 3 halfway good players get beat by the teams that have 3 or 4. The kids on all teams can barely train at a reasonable level because every 2nd kid is bad, and every 3rd kid is barely even a soccer player. By March any decent coach is ready to slit his wrists.

                              Honestly? You might want to give the "superclub" model a try.
                              None of the local 05 clubs is presently a superclub, especially in the local DA.

                              And none of the DA kids that I've seen are so bad that they can't be meaningfully instructed by a coach. Very few are "elite", but all of them know how to play soccer. If the kids are struggling with the drills, perhaps the coach ought to be working on something else? There might be some other skill that they need to master?

                              Some coaches are like trying to teach calculus to a bunch of kids that haven't yet learned algebra, and then everyone complains that they suck at math.

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                                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                                Were you there? Otherwise you don't know what actually happened and you're simply back to making generalizations.
                                I wasn't there. Maybe it was a bad day at the office; or the other team was on fire.

                                But usually, 9-0 means something was seriously wrong. Crossfire did well to finish fifth, and took out a really good team in Albion. But the drop in quality from the top four to the rest of the field is significant.

                                Besides. There's no shame in "we ran into a better team from a soccer-rich part of the country, and got beaten". That sounds a bit more respectable than "we had a bad plane flight, so ignore our first game--in truth we kicked azz, woohoo!" Y'all are starting to act like Westside used, before all the crazies left.

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