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    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
    That's where it always breaks down. It's like some here can't accept that there are different timelines. If you want your kid to go D3 you don't have to really worry about any of this until the summer before their senior year. Anyone who tries to tell you otherwise is just blowing sunshine up your pant leg to puff up their ego.
    But some come to that truth while trying to pursue D1, which does come earlier. Expectations are adjusted along the way. That is also why many can't or won't get off the premier track because they've been on it for quite awhile and don't want to get off. No one is going to drop down to town soccer their sophomore or junior year, and truthfully you still have to have skills to land on a good D3 program and get playing time. Not many are going to take anonymous advice on Talking Soccer to heart. They have to figure it out on their own.

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      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
      How many kids do you think get the offer they desired at 13? All this is so disingenuous becasue it implies that d3 is a fail relative to all d1. i doubt many kids at 13 wanted CCSU.

      Its all about matching realistic goals with the right school.
      That is the problem. At u14 the parents have no idea what is "realistic" for their kid. The top level coaches won't tell them because they need a bench. If they honestly said to the parents of the 8th grader well we would project your kid as a D3 player one thing would happen but there would be two distinct justifications for the action.

      The parents will take their kids elsewhere

      1) they take their kid to the local team travel or premier and she or he plays high school and ends up at a D3 school
      2) they take their kid to sit the end of the bench at another top team where the coach is content to feed the delusion. Later when the kid "chooses" D3 they come on soccer blogs to pump their chests and tell everyone how much smarter more mature and well rounded their kid is than everyone else's.

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        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
        Here's a place to start. If your son wants to stay in the NE there are many good schools with solid soccer to chose from.

        http://www.d3soccer.com/rankings/201...nal-rankings-F
        https://www.ncaa.com/rankings/soccer-men/d3 - top 25
        https://www.ncaa.com/rankings/soccer...ional-rankings
        On the men's side the first thing you need to come to grips with is there is just not a lot of scholarship money out there and because of that you have a lot of weird dynamics that alter the landscape. One of those dynamics is there is actually much more competition for roster spots at the D3 level on the men's side than there is one the women. Because of that there is sort of an arms race sort of mentality developing on the boys side as evidenced by the formation of the boys ECNL that seems to be encouraging families to spend more for the hope of landing one of those roster spots. The biggest problem with that though is many D3 coaches aren't targeting DA and ECNL players, they are targeting international players instead. If you have a son, you should be crystal clear what their upside potential is before you go setting up a recruiting game plan. What often gets portrayed here is really a high risk gambit.

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          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
          But some come to that truth while trying to pursue D1, which does come earlier. Expectations are adjusted along the way. That is also why many can't or won't get off the premier track because they've been on it for quite awhile and don't want to get off. No one is going to drop down to town soccer their sophomore or junior year, and truthfully you still have to have skills to land on a good D3 program and get playing time. Not many are going to take anonymous advice on Talking Soccer to heart. They have to figure it out on their own.
          This speaks to what someone wrote earlier about the teams going into a stall once the recruiting years start. Parents may not pull their kids from the team but most radically alter their kid's priorities and make soccer a second or even third priority. Not saying that is wrong for them to do that but it completely alters the team dynamics and also tremendously impacts the quality of the training environment. What happens next is the parents of the top players push the club to move their kids into different training situations with older teams while still playing games for the original teams. That sets up yet another weird dynamic which you are actually seeing played in this thread with all of this discord between the D1 and D3 parents.

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            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
            That is the problem. At u14 the parents have no idea what is "realistic" for their kid. The top level coaches won't tell them because they need a bench. If they honestly said to the parents of the 8th grader well we would project your kid as a D3 player one thing would happen but there would be two distinct justifications for the action.

            The parents will take their kids elsewhere

            1) they take their kid to the local team travel or premier and she or he plays high school and ends up at a D3 school
            2) they take their kid to sit the end of the bench at another top team where the coach is content to feed the delusion. Later when the kid "chooses" D3 they come on soccer blogs to pump their chests and tell everyone how much smarter more mature and well rounded their kid is than everyone else's.

            the problem - again - with your analysis is unless money is the ONLY input and soccer the only driver ..then perhaps. It never is.

            All D1 player are NOT better than all D3 players. so no one would say you are a D3 player. There is a kid on our team who was hoping to go to MIT but in spite of having amazing grades etc, did not get in. She has serious interest from Northeastern as well. I think there are more kids whose universe of schools include D3s and D1s who choose based on niot just $$ . Specific case I know, but topical.

            Just like all GDA/ECNL players are not better than all NPL players.

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              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
              How many kids do you think get the offer they desired at 13? All this is so disingenuous becasue it implies that d3 is a fail relative to all d1. i doubt many kids at 13 wanted CCSU.

              Its all about matching realistic goals with the right school.
              What you don't seem to grasp is that in today's environment it is a fail and an epic one at that because the parents who think like you just don't jump on the crazy train like you think. They are the ones who stay at the smattering of small local clubs that will get them to the end of their kid's playing days without breaking the bank. Those parents are sane and modulate their kid's participation based upon a completely different set of expectations than the ones affiliated with the DA/ECNL/Top NPL/Top R1 have. Those parents are jumping in full force and expecting scholarships. We've all witnessed the show.

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                Not much going on in your life, huh, BTNT?

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                  Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                  the problem - again - with your analysis is unless money is the ONLY input and soccer the only driver ..then perhaps. It never is.

                  All D1 player are NOT better than all D3 players. so no one would say you are a D3 player. There is a kid on our team who was hoping to go to MIT but in spite of having amazing grades etc, did not get in. She has serious interest from Northeastern as well. I think there are more kids whose universe of schools include D3s and D1s who choose based on niot just $$ . Specific case I know, but topical.

                  Just like all GDA/ECNL players are not better than all NPL players.
                  Ok then the coach says you are a low D1 or D3 player...
                  The rest still follows. Happy now? Yep the top D3 kids could have gotten 25% at some low D 1 school... maybe.

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                    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                    the problem - again - with your analysis is unless money is the ONLY input and soccer the only driver ..then perhaps. It never is.

                    All D1 player are NOT better than all D3 players. so no one would say you are a D3 player. There is a kid on our team who was hoping to go to MIT but in spite of having amazing grades etc, did not get in. She has serious interest from Northeastern as well. I think there are more kids whose universe of schools include D3s and D1s who choose based on niot just $$ . Specific case I know, but topical.

                    Just like all GDA/ECNL players are not better than all NPL players.
                    Agree with you but I think you are really talking about a fairly small minority of families. The vast majority are going to fall all over themselves when a Northeastern comes calling and are going to be hard pressed to turn them down to then go to what sounds like a Brandeis type of D3. MIT is great, we all understand that, but as you note the kid doesn't actually have the grades so that's why I'm suggesting a school like Brandeis. Its a very good school but not great. This is the typical trap for a lot of families. Just like with over estimating the soccer component a lot of parents overestimate their kid's academic component as well. The problem with that is they only get their first real inclination when their kid takes their PSATS end of soph or beginning of jr years. That's another real watershed moment. Just like those who think their kid is bound for UNC only to realize that they are really a Bryant level, there are also bunches who start out assuming that their kid is going to MIT, Harvard, Williams and then realize that they are bound for Brandeis. The problem there is the academic timeline that brings all of that out happens much later than the recruiting timeline.

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                      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                      On the men's side the first thing you need to come to grips with is there is just not a lot of scholarship money out there and because of that you have a lot of weird dynamics that alter the landscape. One of those dynamics is there is actually much more competition for roster spots at the D3 level on the men's side than there is one the women. Because of that there is sort of an arms race sort of mentality developing on the boys side as evidenced by the formation of the boys ECNL that seems to be encouraging families to spend more for the hope of landing one of those roster spots. The biggest problem with that though is many D3 coaches aren't targeting DA and ECNL players, they are targeting international players instead. If you have a son, you should be crystal clear what their upside potential is before you go setting up a recruiting game plan. What often gets portrayed here is really a high risk gambit.
                      You have it completely wrong. There are very few international players in D3 soccer because of tougher academic standards and no athletic money. That is precisely why more good male players wind up in D3

                      % International Players Men Women

                      NCAA I Teams 16.0% 6.2%
                      NCAA II Teams 20.7% 5.1%
                      NCAA III Teams 2.8% 0.4%
                      Total - All NCAA Teams 10.8% 3.6%

                      There also are more spots available in D3 men's soccer than D1 - not just because of more international players in D1/D2 but there are fewer mens' program there because of Title 9. The poster asking can also look at http://www.scholarshipstats.com/soccer.html as well as the list of placements in the MA area on this thread http://talking-soccer.com/TS4/showth...150790&page=64

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                        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                        Agree with you but I think you are really talking about a fairly small minority of families. The vast majority are going to fall all over themselves when a Northeastern comes calling and are going to be hard pressed to turn them down to then go to what sounds like a Brandeis type of D3. MIT is great, we all understand that, but as you note the kid doesn't actually have the grades so that's why I'm suggesting a school like Brandeis. Its a very good school but not great. This is the typical trap for a lot of families. Just like with over estimating the soccer component a lot of parents overestimate their kid's academic component as well. The problem with that is they only get their first real inclination when their kid takes their PSATS end of soph or beginning of jr years. That's another real watershed moment. Just like those who think their kid is bound for UNC only to realize that they are really a Bryant level, there are also bunches who start out assuming that their kid is going to MIT, Harvard, Williams and then realize that they are bound for Brandeis. The problem there is the academic timeline that brings all of that out happens much later than the recruiting timeline.
                        If NU comes offering money, it will be during the early part of a kid's sophomore year. That offer will largely be contingent on the PSAT school but it will also come with a time limit. NU is not going to let a kid they are interested in stall them for a year or so while the kid searches out D3 alternatives. Just doesn't go down that way. If NU gets a sense the kid is not fully into their offer they move on to the next kid. Some of you need to think in real world terms.

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                          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                          Agree with you but I think you are really talking about a fairly small minority of families. The vast majority are going to fall all over themselves when a Northeastern comes calling and are going to be hard pressed to turn them down to then go to what sounds like a Brandeis type of D3. MIT is great, we all understand that, but as you note the kid doesn't actually have the grades so that's why I'm suggesting a school like Brandeis. Its a very good school but not great. This is the typical trap for a lot of families. Just like with over estimating the soccer component a lot of parents overestimate their kid's academic component as well. The problem with that is they only get their first real inclination when their kid takes their PSATS end of soph or beginning of jr years. That's another real watershed moment. Just like those who think their kid is bound for UNC only to realize that they are really a Bryant level, there are also bunches who start out assuming that their kid is going to MIT, Harvard, Williams and then realize that they are bound for Brandeis. The problem there is the academic timeline that brings all of that out happens much later than the recruiting timeline.
                          You act like you are the only parent on the planet who has gone through the college process, BTNT? Your narcissism knows no limits.

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                            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                            You act like you are the only parent on the planet who has gone through the college process, BTNT? Your narcissism knows no limits.
                            Please just go away. Some of us actually find the posts interesting.

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                              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                              Ok then the coach says you are a low D1 or D3 player...
                              The rest still follows. Happy now? Yep the top D3 kids could have gotten 25% at some low D 1 school... maybe.
                              See this type of analysis always gets me. Why do you assume that its only 25%? Why not assume that its 25% athletic and the same 25% percent merit that they are presumably picking up at the D3? Another reality here is assumption always seems to be that the D3 is the better school. The water levels a whole lot more than people like to think around here. That includes academically. Who is walking away from 25% from Fordham or GW to go to Brandeis? You are not getting 25% at a D3 and $0 from the D1 unless the D1 is a much better school. That's just the reality. You get merit money when you are in the very top portions of the schools admissions pool. If the schools are equal then the money will be relative equal with respect to merit money. The fallacy in the merit money argument though is that not all schools play the game with it and it is usually only the secondary D3's that push it hard to bring in students. The upper echelon D3's don't.

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                                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                                You act like you are the only parent on the planet who has gone through the college process, BTNT? Your narcissism knows no limits.
                                The whackadoodle is hung up in hate and jealousy. The will never change. Best to just ignore their posts.

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