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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostHow many kids do you think get the offer they desired at 13? All this is so disingenuous becasue it implies that d3 is a fail relative to all d1. i doubt many kids at 13 wanted CCSU.
Its all about matching realistic goals with the right school.
The parents will take their kids elsewhere
1) they take their kid to the local team travel or premier and she or he plays high school and ends up at a D3 school
2) they take their kid to sit the end of the bench at another top team where the coach is content to feed the delusion. Later when the kid "chooses" D3 they come on soccer blogs to pump their chests and tell everyone how much smarter more mature and well rounded their kid is than everyone else's.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostHere's a place to start. If your son wants to stay in the NE there are many good schools with solid soccer to chose from.
http://www.d3soccer.com/rankings/201...nal-rankings-F
https://www.ncaa.com/rankings/soccer-men/d3 - top 25
https://www.ncaa.com/rankings/soccer...ional-rankings
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostBut some come to that truth while trying to pursue D1, which does come earlier. Expectations are adjusted along the way. That is also why many can't or won't get off the premier track because they've been on it for quite awhile and don't want to get off. No one is going to drop down to town soccer their sophomore or junior year, and truthfully you still have to have skills to land on a good D3 program and get playing time. Not many are going to take anonymous advice on Talking Soccer to heart. They have to figure it out on their own.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostThat is the problem. At u14 the parents have no idea what is "realistic" for their kid. The top level coaches won't tell them because they need a bench. If they honestly said to the parents of the 8th grader well we would project your kid as a D3 player one thing would happen but there would be two distinct justifications for the action.
The parents will take their kids elsewhere
1) they take their kid to the local team travel or premier and she or he plays high school and ends up at a D3 school
2) they take their kid to sit the end of the bench at another top team where the coach is content to feed the delusion. Later when the kid "chooses" D3 they come on soccer blogs to pump their chests and tell everyone how much smarter more mature and well rounded their kid is than everyone else's.
the problem - again - with your analysis is unless money is the ONLY input and soccer the only driver ..then perhaps. It never is.
All D1 player are NOT better than all D3 players. so no one would say you are a D3 player. There is a kid on our team who was hoping to go to MIT but in spite of having amazing grades etc, did not get in. She has serious interest from Northeastern as well. I think there are more kids whose universe of schools include D3s and D1s who choose based on niot just $$ . Specific case I know, but topical.
Just like all GDA/ECNL players are not better than all NPL players.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostHow many kids do you think get the offer they desired at 13? All this is so disingenuous becasue it implies that d3 is a fail relative to all d1. i doubt many kids at 13 wanted CCSU.
Its all about matching realistic goals with the right school.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View Postthe problem - again - with your analysis is unless money is the ONLY input and soccer the only driver ..then perhaps. It never is.
All D1 player are NOT better than all D3 players. so no one would say you are a D3 player. There is a kid on our team who was hoping to go to MIT but in spite of having amazing grades etc, did not get in. She has serious interest from Northeastern as well. I think there are more kids whose universe of schools include D3s and D1s who choose based on niot just $$ . Specific case I know, but topical.
Just like all GDA/ECNL players are not better than all NPL players.
The rest still follows. Happy now? Yep the top D3 kids could have gotten 25% at some low D 1 school... maybe.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View Postthe problem - again - with your analysis is unless money is the ONLY input and soccer the only driver ..then perhaps. It never is.
All D1 player are NOT better than all D3 players. so no one would say you are a D3 player. There is a kid on our team who was hoping to go to MIT but in spite of having amazing grades etc, did not get in. She has serious interest from Northeastern as well. I think there are more kids whose universe of schools include D3s and D1s who choose based on niot just $$ . Specific case I know, but topical.
Just like all GDA/ECNL players are not better than all NPL players.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostOn the men's side the first thing you need to come to grips with is there is just not a lot of scholarship money out there and because of that you have a lot of weird dynamics that alter the landscape. One of those dynamics is there is actually much more competition for roster spots at the D3 level on the men's side than there is one the women. Because of that there is sort of an arms race sort of mentality developing on the boys side as evidenced by the formation of the boys ECNL that seems to be encouraging families to spend more for the hope of landing one of those roster spots. The biggest problem with that though is many D3 coaches aren't targeting DA and ECNL players, they are targeting international players instead. If you have a son, you should be crystal clear what their upside potential is before you go setting up a recruiting game plan. What often gets portrayed here is really a high risk gambit.
% International Players Men Women
NCAA I Teams 16.0% 6.2%
NCAA II Teams 20.7% 5.1%
NCAA III Teams 2.8% 0.4%
Total - All NCAA Teams 10.8% 3.6%
There also are more spots available in D3 men's soccer than D1 - not just because of more international players in D1/D2 but there are fewer mens' program there because of Title 9. The poster asking can also look at http://www.scholarshipstats.com/soccer.html as well as the list of placements in the MA area on this thread http://talking-soccer.com/TS4/showth...150790&page=64
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostAgree with you but I think you are really talking about a fairly small minority of families. The vast majority are going to fall all over themselves when a Northeastern comes calling and are going to be hard pressed to turn them down to then go to what sounds like a Brandeis type of D3. MIT is great, we all understand that, but as you note the kid doesn't actually have the grades so that's why I'm suggesting a school like Brandeis. Its a very good school but not great. This is the typical trap for a lot of families. Just like with over estimating the soccer component a lot of parents overestimate their kid's academic component as well. The problem with that is they only get their first real inclination when their kid takes their PSATS end of soph or beginning of jr years. That's another real watershed moment. Just like those who think their kid is bound for UNC only to realize that they are really a Bryant level, there are also bunches who start out assuming that their kid is going to MIT, Harvard, Williams and then realize that they are bound for Brandeis. The problem there is the academic timeline that brings all of that out happens much later than the recruiting timeline.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostAgree with you but I think you are really talking about a fairly small minority of families. The vast majority are going to fall all over themselves when a Northeastern comes calling and are going to be hard pressed to turn them down to then go to what sounds like a Brandeis type of D3. MIT is great, we all understand that, but as you note the kid doesn't actually have the grades so that's why I'm suggesting a school like Brandeis. Its a very good school but not great. This is the typical trap for a lot of families. Just like with over estimating the soccer component a lot of parents overestimate their kid's academic component as well. The problem with that is they only get their first real inclination when their kid takes their PSATS end of soph or beginning of jr years. That's another real watershed moment. Just like those who think their kid is bound for UNC only to realize that they are really a Bryant level, there are also bunches who start out assuming that their kid is going to MIT, Harvard, Williams and then realize that they are bound for Brandeis. The problem there is the academic timeline that brings all of that out happens much later than the recruiting timeline.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostOk then the coach says you are a low D1 or D3 player...
The rest still follows. Happy now? Yep the top D3 kids could have gotten 25% at some low D 1 school... maybe.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostYou act like you are the only parent on the planet who has gone through the college process, BTNT? Your narcissism knows no limits.
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