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    Here is the criteria to get into the ECNL;

    APPLICATION REVIEW PROCESS.
    Completed applications will be reviewed by a committee selected by the ECNL Board of Directors based on the following criteria:
    1. Club’s Player Development Guidelines.
    2. Club’s History of Youth Player Development.
    3. Club’s History of Success in Elite Competitions, Tournaments and Leagues.
    4. Club’s Philosophy.
    5. Club’s Technical Staff (including quality of Coaching Staff).
    6. Overall Club Infrastructure.

    Now tell me how DB/ RT believe Matchfit Shore will have a valid reason for them being accepted or what club fits that criteria except for the obvious club that won 3 national championships last year.

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    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
    Here is the criteria to get into the ECNL;

    APPLICATION REVIEW PROCESS.
    Completed applications will be reviewed by a committee selected by the ECNL Board of Directors based on the following criteria:
    1. Club’s Player Development Guidelines.
    2. Club’s History of Youth Player Development.
    3. Club’s History of Success in Elite Competitions, Tournaments and Leagues.
    4. Club’s Philosophy.
    5. Club’s Technical Staff (including quality of Coaching Staff).
    6. Overall Club Infrastructure.

    Now tell me how DB/ RT believe Matchfit Shore will have a valid reason for them being accepted or what club fits that criteria except for the obvious club that won 3 national championships last year.
    No inside information, but I would guess one or more of the following:

    1. PDA now has 3 teams in NJ. Keeping it in the existing family may make sense (to them) as being the obvious choice for another team instead of a different club. MF already technically would have had your list to get in originally.
    2. PDA and MF (as well as WC and PF) have a lot of the state already covered. MF at the shore location will grab players from CSA, PSA, and other local academies as well as the kids that PDA North can't find a home for. It should be an ECNL alternative keeping more kids in the system.
    3. RT (just like any other coach that is more marketing than soccer) probably made a ton of promises to existing and new parents as well as DB. He's claiming he builds winners, so his job is to build up the shore location within the term of his contract so that the ECNL board says "why not".

    I think it's an outside possibility considering many factors working against the location. Not least of which-RT hasn't actually won anything of consequence, has no history of college recruitment, and has made a lot of enemies within the local coaching and parent world. The guy has burned bridges at every club he's been apart of and the NJ soccer community is too small for no consequences.

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      #3
      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
      No inside information, but I would guess one or more of the following:

      1. PDA now has 3 teams in NJ. Keeping it in the existing family may make sense (to them) as being the obvious choice for another team instead of a different club. MF already technically would have had your list to get in originally.
      2. PDA and MF (as well as WC and PF) have a lot of the state already covered. MF at the shore location will grab players from CSA, PSA, and other local academies as well as the kids that PDA North can't find a home for. It should be an ECNL alternative keeping more kids in the system.
      3. RT (just like any other coach that is more marketing than soccer) probably made a ton of promises to existing and new parents as well as DB. He's claiming he builds winners, so his job is to build up the shore location within the term of his contract so that the ECNL board says "why not".

      I think it's an outside possibility considering many factors working against the location. Not least of which-RT hasn't actually won anything of consequence, has no history of college recruitment, and has made a lot of enemies within the local coaching and parent world. The guy has burned bridges at every club he's been apart of and the NJ soccer community is too small for no consequences.
      All good comments but you left out the strongest argument against admission. Lack of depth of talent. The NJ market is saturated with an ECNL presence. You have 4 teams already per age group. Take those 4 teams (PDA & MF) and add on WCFC & PF. There is no need to add other clubs. ECNL is supposed to be about competitiveness in training and matches. Adding more clubs make no sense. The additional talent is not there. In fact I could think of clubs who should be relegated to a lower tier because they have not gotten better players and are not competitive for years. You want your daughter to play ECNL then try out for one of the existing clubs. If she is good enough then you do not need to add a new club to get in.

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        #4
        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
        Here is the criteria to get into the ECNL;

        APPLICATION REVIEW PROCESS.
        Completed applications will be reviewed by a committee selected by the ECNL Board of Directors based on the following criteria:
        1. Club’s Player Development Guidelines.
        2. Club’s History of Youth Player Development.
        3. Club’s History of Success in Elite Competitions, Tournaments and Leagues.
        4. Club’s Philosophy.
        5. Club’s Technical Staff (including quality of Coaching Staff).
        6. Overall Club Infrastructure.

        Now tell me how DB/ RT believe Matchfit Shore will have a valid reason for them being accepted or what club fits that criteria except for the obvious club that won 3 national championships last year.
        Everyone keeps crapping on PDA South getting ECNL over who? Their was a hole in the region in southern NJ. They produced several national championship teams and had players going to D1 schools (better than a lot of current NE ECNL teams). Who else was going to get ECNL in SJ? Real? Doesn't have any teams over 05. SJEB Rush? Because they did SOO well in DA the 1yr they were let in.

        People need to understand while ECNL is the top of the food chain for girls youth soccer it can not over come the limitations of the regions through out the US. The NE is weak not because it has a weaker lineup but because, from an entire club perspective, has over all weaker clubs in its region to choose from. So the choices are about 6 truly elite clubs and having to have over nights for each game or larger divisions with some clubs who can produce some challenging teams and less overall travel and let it get sorted out at Nationals. Honestly ECNL needs to use the ECRL as a trial ground for prospective clubs and allow more into it to promote. They should post standards with any club falling into bottom 3 teams in 60% or more age groups gets the A teams relegated back to ECRL to re prove they belong.

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          #5
          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
          All good comments but you left out the strongest argument against admission. Lack of depth of talent. The NJ market is saturated with an ECNL presence. You have 4 teams already per age group. Take those 4 teams (PDA & MF) and add on WCFC & PF. There is no need to add other clubs. ECNL is supposed to be about competitiveness in training and matches. Adding more clubs make no sense. The additional talent is not there. In fact I could think of clubs who should be relegated to a lower tier because they have not gotten better players and are not competitive for years. You want your daughter to play ECNL then try out for one of the existing clubs. If she is good enough then you do not need to add a new club to get in.
          Really? NJ is over saturated with clubs? Why, because it's a small state? Looking at numbers very few have more players then NJ. We have as many players southern California who has a dozen ECNL teams and some of the best teams in the nation. The issue isn't over saturation. The issue is poor training and lack of a clear pathway. We have ECNL/ECRL fighting with GA (formerly DA) and USYS merging with EDP while NPL is still around. You want to talk about over saturation it's with leagues not clubs. Players shouldn't have to drive 2hrs one way to be on an ECNL team.


          http://rapidsyouthsoccer.org/us-yout...er-statistics/

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            #6
            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
            Really? NJ is over saturated with clubs? Why, because it's a small state? Looking at numbers very few have more players then NJ. We have as many players southern California who has a dozen ECNL teams and some of the best teams in the nation. The issue isn't over saturation. The issue is poor training and lack of a clear pathway. We have ECNL/ECRL fighting with GA (formerly DA) and USYS merging with EDP while NPL is still around. You want to talk about over saturation it's with leagues not clubs. Players shouldn't have to drive 2hrs one way to be on an ECNL team.


            http://rapidsyouthsoccer.org/us-yout...er-statistics/
            Not sure what you are getting at but have you looked at the size if southern CA? Many of those girls are easily driving 2 hours.

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              #7
              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
              Really? NJ is over saturated with clubs? Why, because it's a small state? Looking at numbers very few have more players then NJ. We have as many players southern California who has a dozen ECNL teams and some of the best teams in the nation. The issue isn't over saturation. The issue is poor training and lack of a clear pathway. We have ECNL/ECRL fighting with GA (formerly DA) and USYS merging with EDP while NPL is still around. You want to talk about over saturation it's with leagues not clubs. Players shouldn't have to drive 2hrs one way to be on an ECNL team.


              http://rapidsyouthsoccer.org/us-yout...er-statistics/
              Saturated as far as talent goes. In CA they play soccer outdoors 12 months a year. In my opinion watching these NJ clubs most teams have a core group of (5-6 )players tops that are solid -layers you then have a middle tier of 5 players who are okay and then you have the rest who are “pay to play” players. NJ has a lack depth. It’s watered down and really not competitive especially when they play regionally. The best are on 1 team at PDA with the second team a distant second. Now with a third team and MF that is saturated. The PDA South team should have started in the ECRL and prove themselves.

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                #8
                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                The PDA South team should have started in the ECRL and prove themselves.
                They did start in RL and just this year got ECNL.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                  Not sure what you are getting at but have you looked at the size if southern CA? Many of those girls are easily driving 2 hours.
                  NJ has 151k while southern CA has 159k and Region 1 has the largest amount of any region playing soccer. Most of those clubs in southern CA are closer than 2hrs.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                    Saturated as far as talent goes. In CA they play soccer outdoors 12 months a year. In my opinion watching these NJ clubs most teams have a core group of (5-6 )players tops that are solid -layers you then have a middle tier of 5 players who are okay and then you have the rest who are “pay to play” players. NJ has a lack depth. It’s watered down and really not competitive especially when they play regionally. The best are on 1 team at PDA with the second team a distant second. Now with a third team and MF that is saturated. The PDA South team should have started in the ECRL and prove themselves.
                    They played in ECRL last year?

                    And why do you think most of these "elite" teams in "watered down" leagues only have 5-6 really good players? Most if not almost all of these clubs rarely actually train these girls how to play but instead focus on the few "superstars" and the rest on supporting these stars. Fundamentals aren't taught at the youth level and reinforced. It's always moves without emphasis on touches. Most of the best players have an outside trainer. If the coaches at these elite clubs were doing their job right these players wouldn't need outside help. And so what California, Texas and Florida can play outside year round. We can still play futsal or street ball but again most if not all clubs charge extra and of those that do don't have coaches that can actually teach it. Hell, half the parents complain about it either because their "elite" kid doesn't make the team or they cut the outdoor team in 2 with a good team and other team. Or parents just don't like it because their isn't a college team for it. Personally professional street ball could be amazing in US as a televised sport. More action, higher scores, cool tricks and players with personality.

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                      Really? NJ is over saturated with clubs? Why, because it's a small state? Looking at numbers very few have more players then NJ. We have as many players southern California who has a dozen ECNL teams and some of the best teams in the nation. The issue isn't over saturation. The issue is poor training and lack of a clear pathway. We have ECNL/ECRL fighting with GA (formerly DA) and USYS merging with EDP while NPL is still around. You want to talk about over saturation it's with leagues not clubs. Players shouldn't have to drive 2hrs one way to be on an ECNL team.


                      http://rapidsyouthsoccer.org/us-yout...er-statistics/
                      What it really comes down too is MONEY.....ECNL (and PDA/MF) would rather have sub par teams (look at MF ECRL..) that pay them then have those players help support other programs like Cedar Stars etc....just like ECNL wanted DA gone they also want a bigger share of NJ ....DB at MF making over $130,000/yr plus his full time day job ..same with JR..and others....

                      Having done the ECNL thing already can tell there is very little real development going on at many clubs anymore....

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                        #12
                        Who cares about development when we're kicking your azz!!!!

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                          You want to talk about over saturation it's with leagues not clubs. Players shouldn't have to drive 2hrs one way to be on an ECNL team.
                          It takes less than 2hrs to drive from WCFC to PDA South (or to FC Delco for that matter). No player in NJ would have to drive 2hrs one way to be on an ECNL team.

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                            The PDA South team should have started in the ECRL and prove themselves.
                            They did. They played in ECRL last year and NE NPL the previous 5 years. Won almost every age group (and finished in the top 2) every year. This is why they were promoted to ECNL.

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                              #15
                              A solid discussion. I find it very interesting that parents are not throwing out more “academies” that would have a solid argument for getting into the ECNL. Maybe it’s because most parents have already been a part of all the clubs watering down talent. The ego check on coaches is destroying development especially in the Shore. PDA south had a valid argument to get in because there is a lot of talent in south to create very competitive teams for the ECNL. If Matchfit North is in the bottom half of the standings year after year it would be interesting for them to be able to create a powerhouse especially with their shore technical director in charge & that being a criteria. But who knows....

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