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    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
    Yes, it would be one thing if the teams were expected to be strong, but the take is that they are middle of the road NPL now playing in GDA. Probably less strong than Stars GDA who weren't that strong in the GDA. The point is GDA will be weaker competition next year and further travel...a great combination.
    do you think the quality of the competition in your league has a material impact on where your child will end up in soccer ?

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      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
      do you think the quality of the competition in your league has a material impact on where your child will end up in soccer ?
      To some degree, yes. If they are playing far weaker teams all the time for an entire year, then they will not progress. Isn't that the point of putting them in real game situations?

      It also has a material impact on where I want to spend my time and $.

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        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
        To some degree, yes. If they are playing far weaker teams all the time for an entire year, then they will not progress. Isn't that the point of putting them in real game situations?

        It also has a material impact on where I want to spend my time and $.
        Exactly. Still a lot of travel (and cost) to play some weak teams. Seacoast swapping out for Stars is not an improvement. Other very good clubs leaving elsewhere in the country (and most times not replaced( means fewer quality team to play in showcases. More importantly if the coaching is only OK and some of your teammates less than that, how does that make players better?

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          The training at NYCFC is best we have ever had, simple, no??

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            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
            Exactly. Still a lot of travel (and cost) to play some weak teams. Seacoast swapping out for Stars is not an improvement. Other very good clubs leaving elsewhere in the country (and most times not replaced( means fewer quality team to play in showcases. More importantly if the coaching is only OK and some of your teammates less than that, how does that make players better?
            Same as ECNL, except my kid is better than yours....

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              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
              The training at NYCFC is best we have ever had, simple, no??
              Agree, 100%

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                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                The training at NYCFC is best we have ever had, simple, no??
                Yes, it's too bad USSF couldn't replicate that throughout. That's the problem, the experience from one club to another is so inconsistent.

                NYCFC is not a realistic option for most families that have to to cross 1 or 2 bridges. It's too bad the Belmont deal fell through...otherwise we might have had NYCFC on LI as well.

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                  Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                  To some degree, yes. If they are playing far weaker teams all the time for an entire year, then they will not progress. Isn't that the point of putting them in real game situations?

                  It also has a material impact on where I want to spend my time and $.
                  so its really about your viewing pleasure then, You exaggerate with statements like far weaker teams all the time for an entire year. We all know that is total BS.

                  competition is relative. so a team that PDA sees as no competition , may well be fierce competition for FC Stars. looking at the 18/19 GDA team, it would appear that the competition was not the problem for them.

                  is it about equal level, or playing really good teams ?

                  I put it to you that really it does nt matter. the level of competition you face including teams like LISC or Empire is not stopping your D from getting where she wants to go.

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                    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                    Yes, it's too bad USSF couldn't replicate that throughout. That's the problem, the experience from one club to another is so inconsistent.

                    NYCFC is not a realistic option for most families that have to to cross 1 or 2 bridges. It's too bad the Belmont deal fell through...otherwise we might have had NYCFC on LI as well.
                    Having a good club in Rockland, or Dallas or San Diego is great for kids in Rockland, or Dallas or San Diego. These options would offer quality to their customers whatever the league.

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                      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                      so its really about your viewing pleasure then, You exaggerate with statements like far weaker teams all the time for an entire year. We all know that is total BS.

                      competition is relative. so a team that PDA sees as no competition , may well be fierce competition for FC Stars. looking at the 18/19 GDA team, it would appear that the competition was not the problem for them.

                      is it about equal level, or playing really good teams ?

                      I put it to you that really it does nt matter. the level of competition you face including teams like LISC or Empire is not stopping your D from getting where she wants to go.
                      So, then why play in any league? At some point, things do matter.

                      And no, it's not for viewing pleasure. That is not what I said - -I said it was to put them in game situations where they are under pressure to react and giving them opportunities to progress with decision making. If they are playing teams that are considerably weaker week after week, they will be gaining little experience against teams that are far better.

                      This applies to any league really when the division is not evenly balanced. It doesn't do either team any good.

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                        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                        So, then why play in any league? At some point, things do matter.

                        And no, it's not for viewing pleasure. That is not what I said - -I said it was to put them in game situations where they are under pressure to react and giving them opportunities to progress with decision making. If they are playing teams that are considerably weaker week after week, they will be gaining little experience against teams that are far better.

                        This applies to any league really when the division is not evenly balanced. It doesn't do either team any good.
                        Please show me the league where the competition is balanced? Its not week in week out is t. you exaggerate for effect. Doe the "game" mean more it its vs another club? From a dev pov would playing another team within your club count? or scrimmages?

                        if you really cared to go back thru your Ds soccer games in the last year and REALLY calculate how many games were competitive vs not i would be really interested to see it. I have a feeling she was challenged more than you thn, even vs some teams you perceive as week .

                        Given this logic, how does the best player on the "best" team ant teh "best" Club ever get better?

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                          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                          so its really about your viewing pleasure then, You exaggerate with statements like far weaker teams all the time for an entire year. We all know that is total BS.

                          competition is relative. so a team that PDA sees as no competition , may well be fierce competition for FC Stars. looking at the 18/19 GDA team, it would appear that the competition was not the problem for them.

                          is it about equal level, or playing really good teams ?

                          I put it to you that really it does nt matter. the level of competition you face including teams like LISC or Empire is not stopping your D from getting where she wants to go.
                          "doesn't matter" is a relative term. These "National Leagues" selling point is showcasing for college coach attendance. If the end goal is College soccer, you need to be on a team that plays in front of College coaches. Yes - you can probably google a story from one girl three years ago who sent a college coach a video tape and he recruited her. (the infamous "if you are good enough it doesn't matter") The problem is it does matter where you play because you need to be seen by coaches and play against credible competition. What if you are "good enough" but nobody ever sees you? these kids used to be seen through ODP, but without getting into an ODP argument, it is less than it was 10 years ago, and although it still has some means to visibility with college coaches, it becomes less every year.

                          So now we have the extreme travel because coaches are going to ECNL / GDA national showcase, Disney Showcase, Surf Cup. This brings teams to those events. And kids play in these leagues because they want the exposure at these showcase events.

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                            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                            "doesn't matter" is a relative term. These "National Leagues" selling point is showcasing for college coach attendance. If the end goal is College soccer, you need to be on a team that plays in front of College coaches. Yes - you can probably google a story from one girl three years ago who sent a college coach a video tape and he recruited her. (the infamous "if you are good enough it doesn't matter") The problem is it does matter where you play because you need to be seen by coaches and play against credible competition. What if you are "good enough" but nobody ever sees you? these kids used to be seen through ODP, but without getting into an ODP argument, it is less than it was 10 years ago, and although it still has some means to visibility with college coaches, it becomes less every year.

                            So now we have the extreme travel because coaches are going to ECNL / GDA national showcase, Disney Showcase, Surf Cup. This brings teams to those events. And kids play in these leagues because they want the exposure at these showcase events.
                            point missed..

                            adding LISC , Seacoast or another team you perceive as "weak" in place of say a PDA that you perceive as strong will have zero impact on your kids path. it just wont. So all this BS about the quality of other teams is irrelevant. No clue why people bring up other clubs to make a case about the wider GDA .

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                              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                              "doesn't matter" is a relative term. These "National Leagues" selling point is showcasing for college coach attendance. If the end goal is College soccer, you need to be on a team that plays in front of College coaches. Yes - you can probably google a story from one girl three years ago who sent a college coach a video tape and he recruited her. (the infamous "if you are good enough it doesn't matter") The problem is it does matter where you play because you need to be seen by coaches and play against credible competition. What if you are "good enough" but nobody ever sees you? these kids used to be seen through ODP, but without getting into an ODP argument, it is less than it was 10 years ago, and although it still has some means to visibility with college coaches, it becomes less every year.

                              So now we have the extreme travel because coaches are going to ECNL / GDA national showcase, Disney Showcase, Surf Cup. This brings teams to those events. And kids play in these leagues because they want the exposure at these showcase events.
                              what %age of kids on the so called top teams are already committed and how does a showcase benefit them ? for thos eteams , tehse are simply max travel league games as they "count" towards standings. The model is so flawed and riddled with lies that its not even funny.

                              A Showcase should revolve around the kids who need it. those who want exposure to the pool of coaches attending. would be far far better for them to be local and done at a pller level. those who need it register. teams are put together on a pick up basis and coaches come to watch the games. Results not relevant, players who need it paying to attend. those who dont not. Showcases flighted by player level. Ie coach of player registers her basis her level for a certain level of team. lists positions she plays and the showcase organizer builds the teams. Not hard to do. If there is no demand, then that tells you all you need to know.

                              Instead parents are so driven by ego that they have convinced themselves that these national showcases are "needed"

                              My kid could have committed in 8th grade. I went to the coach and said, if you need us, we will attend, but why dont you give those minutes to a kid that needs them. He did.

                              Local leagues with separate showcase events is the way to go if travel is an issue. make it a la carte. If Jane is considering Stanford and they wont come over here, then register for the Cali showcase, pay you way and go.

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                                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                                point missed..

                                adding LISC , Seacoast or another team you perceive as "weak" in place of say a PDA that you perceive as strong will have zero impact on your kids path. it just wont. So all this BS about the quality of other teams is irrelevant. No clue why people bring up other clubs to make a case about the wider GDA .
                                Well, it will impact the path, if there are other choices that might make them better soccer players and better prepared for higher levels of competition.

                                That's the problem -- there is no perfect path right now. The leagues and most of the local club choices are all flawed in some way or another.

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