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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostOne of the problems with competitive soccer is literally no one cares but the parents. There are no "fans", no community pride, and no one on the sidelines but the anxious, delusional parents. It took us awhile to realize this and at least among the kids I know, once they turn 15 or 16, they could care less about impressing the parents. That's what Europe and S.A. have on American soccer and I don't see it changing. My 2 cents worth...
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So you think the primary motivation for kids participating or not particpating in soccer is due to the presense or lack of presence of fans??
Kids, and I don't think this is limited to only soccer, play particular sports because they are either succesful in them or genuiniely enjoy playing the sport regardless of the outcome or their own ability. Not sure how fans on the sidelines at a kids game affects overall participation.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostSo you think the primary motivation for kids participating or not particpating in soccer is due to the presense or lack of presence of fans??
Kids, and I don't think this is limited to only soccer, play particular sports because they are either succesful in them or genuiniely enjoy playing the sport regardless of the outcome or their own ability. Not sure how fans on the sidelines at a kids game affects overall participation.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostThe thread of the conversation was lower participation among high school age kids. The point I was making about the only fans being the parents is the inevitable shift among teenagers from seeking parental approval to wanting and needing peer approval. If our competitive soccer was community based, like in Europe, the peers would be there cheering on the home team. That's why the kids like high school soccer.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostThe thread of the conversation was lower participation among high school age kids. The point I was making about the only fans being the parents is the inevitable shift among teenagers from seeking parental approval to wanting and needing peer approval. If our competitive soccer was community based, like in Europe, the peers would be there cheering on the home team. That's why the kids like high school soccer.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostMy kid is not playing because she is seeking my approval. She's playing because it's her favorite thing in the world. She's happiest when she's doing any aspect of it - practice, training, games, traveling with the team, watching it on TV, etc. And yes, she loves peer approval - at the club, in H.S., etc. it's a big part of her identity.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostThat's a great observation.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostImagine this ... your 13 year old is playing on an average team. You get up at 6 am to drive an hour to play on Sat morning after working all week. The coach doesnt play your kid 1 minute. In fact the team only has 3 subs, and 2 never get in the game. The team ends up losing anyway and as a parent you lost 5 hours of your day off. Seen it happen. Ahole coaches and apathetic club oversite kills this game.
Over-involved helicopter parents are killing this game.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostImagine this ... your 13 year old is playing on an average team. You get up at 6 am to drive an hour to play on Sat morning after working all week. The coach doesnt play your kid 1 minute. In fact the team only has 3 subs, and 2 never get in the game. The team ends up losing anyway and as a parent you lost 5 hours of your day off. Seen it happen. Ahole coaches and apathetic club oversite kills this game.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostImagine this ... your 13 year old missed most of the practices last week, didn't work hard in the practice he attended, and has a generally bad attitude. Coach sends a message by sitting the kid in the next game. So Dad, instead of helping the kid improve his attendance, attitude, and skills, gets on his computer at 7am on Saturday morning and complains anonymously to a bunch of strangers about how these problems are everybody else's fault.
Over-involved helicopter parents are killing this game.
And I have seen plenty of players who work really hard and are terrific team mates but who lack a degree of innate talent benched for all or most of a game.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostImagine this ... your 13 year old missed most of the practices last week, didn't work hard in the practice he attended, and has a generally bad attitude. Coach sends a message by sitting the kid in the next game. So Dad, instead of helping the kid improve his attendance, attitude, and skills, gets on his computer at 7am on Saturday morning and complains anonymously to a bunch of strangers about how these problems are everybody else's fault.
Over-involved helicopter parents are killing this game.
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