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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostExactly. Do it graduation year based. There are only negatives any other way. Plus, doing it Grad year (vs any specific calendar dates) would unify the country regardless of school cutoff dates. Just like LaX. It’s all about playing in high school and college. No brainer.
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In most states, (except CT) the age cut off is around Sept 1. So any child who is born Sept - Dec does not have a team to play on the fall of their 8th grade year when the remainder of their team goes plays high school soccer. For club players it is still a problem senior year because the teams are U18/19. In that senior year you are now squeezing extra players onto that roster at the end of high school. The weaker kids will get dropped down whether they are juniors or seniors.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View Posti don't understand how it's a dead year for high schoolers? isn't HS soccer eligibility grade based anyway? so you get to play 4 years of HS soccer regardless of how old you are when you start 9th grade. it's only the 8th grade gap for older kids that seems to be an issue.
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Soccer was declining big time even before age change so go peddle you bogus conclusions somewhere else.
Soccer decline is not due to age change; it is due to cost, video games, accessibility, etc. Age change is one of the last items needed to be addressed to change the trend.
From 2015:
https://www.aspeninstitute.org/blog-...hy-it-matters/
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostSoccer was declining big time even before age change so go peddle you bogus conclusions somewhere else.
Soccer decline is not due to age change; it is due to cost, video games, accessibility, etc. Age change is one of the last items needed to be addressed to change the trend.
From 2015:
https://www.aspeninstitute.org/blog-...hy-it-matters/
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostIn most states, (except CT) the age cut off is around Sept 1. So any child who is born Sept - Dec does not have a team to play on the fall of their 8th grade year when the remainder of their team goes plays high school soccer. For club players it is still a problem senior year because the teams are U18/19. In that senior year you are now squeezing extra players onto that roster at the end of high school. The weaker kids will get dropped down whether they are juniors or seniors.
If USSF doesn’t change to grad year, I hear ECNL will to grab market share and align perfectly with college recruiting. Every grade will have a full team and the train will run smoothly right onto college campuses.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostIt has been a cluster. Declining numbers. Teams messed up at both 8th & 9th grade and also 11th and 12th grade. Since the teams get messed up, it messes with ALL the kids, not just the fall born kids. This year, our ECNL team is U18 & U19 combined. The 10 fall born U19s that didn’t graduate last June, had to join with last years full u18 team (last year 10th & 11th graders, currently 11th and 12th graders). 32 is too many for one team. 10 players got bumped and the majority were from last year’s u17 team (and most were born before Sept).
If USSF doesn’t change to grad year, I hear ECNL will to grab market share and align perfectly with college recruiting. Every grade will have a full team and the train will run smoothly right onto college campuses.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View Posti don't understand how it's a dead year for high schoolers? isn't HS soccer eligibility grade based anyway? so you get to play 4 years of HS soccer regardless of how old you are when you start 9th grade. it's only the 8th grade gap for older kids that seems to be an issue.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostJust curious, did you read that article before you posted it? I think not.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostNot the poster- here's an article with more recent data and it mentions the calendar change. There are many reasons why soccer is down (high cost, travel, etc) but no doubt the age change has played a role as well. Soccer was down 15% in just 3 years. That's a big drop. https://www.washingtonpost.com/sport...s-study-finds/
"The top reason kids want to play sports, the report indicates, is a desire to be with friends, not winning. That may have hurt soccer participation, which dropped 9.5 percent year over year due to a U.S. Soccer Federation age group rule change that broke up existing teams, according to the report. (Players are now grouped by birth year, rather than school grade.)"
"Baseball, basketball, football all experience participation growth in 2017. Soccer though continued a decline Aspen links back to a US Soccer Federation age group rule change that broke up existing teams."
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostSo this is based is the same Aspen study that prior poster did not bother to read to prove a point.:
"The top reason kids want to play sports, the report indicates, is a desire to be with friends, not winning. That may have hurt soccer participation, which dropped 9.5 percent year over year due to a U.S. Soccer Federation age group rule change that broke up existing teams, according to the report. (Players are now grouped by birth year, rather than school grade.)"
"Baseball, basketball, football all experience participation growth in 2017. Soccer though continued a decline Aspen links back to a US Soccer Federation age group rule change that broke up existing teams."
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Originally posted by Unregistered View Postcommon sense - kids will only play if it's fun, especially the rec level kids who aren't especially vested in the sport, but truthfully all kids. I saw what the age change did between my older pre-age change kid and my post-age change one. It had a dramatic impact on our town.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostWell it wasn’t common sense for USSF. Best to rip the bandaid off and fix it to either school year or grad year (hopefully with parameter to prevent abuse.)
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Originally posted by Unregistered View Postcommon sense - kids will only play if it's fun, especially the rec level kids who aren't especially vested in the sport, but truthfully all kids. I saw what the age change did between my older pre-age change kid and my post-age change one. It had a dramatic impact on our town.
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