Class Promotion Relegation rules

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Anyone know the rules re: smaller schools moving up or back down in class? Is it based on state tournament performance?

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Look it up. It's all on the website

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Anyone know the rules re: smaller schools moving up or back down in class? Is it based on state tournament performance?

"The Boys and Girls Soccer Committee voted to apply a success in tournament factor when placing schools* that draw students from outside their school district boundaries in tournament divisions. The Committee will first place schools in their divisions by enrollment and then use success in tournament to move schools up in division and then rebalance the divisions. Schools that draw from outside their school district boundaries who have been in the semi-finals or above two of the last three years will move up one division. Schools that have been in the semi-finals three of the last three years will move up two divisions. The most any school could move would be two divisions. Each year the committee will review results from the past three years and make adjustments as appropriate. Schools can move up or down depending on their success in tournament play.
*Charter, magnet, parochial, vocational technical, vocational agricultural and Project Choice schools that have more than 25 each of male/female students from out-of-district."

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This topic comes up every year after ST Joes gets run out of states in the LL. It’s like Jack has a short term memory problem!?

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This topic comes up every year after ST Joes gets run out of states in the LL. It’s like Jack has a short term memory problem!?

Oh he's well aware of the rules, but will JN want to move back down to L just so they can rack up more titles again?

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Oh he's well aware of the rules, but will JN want to move back down to L just so they can rack up more titles again?

The rules being what? That StJ has to move down to L?

I would think that he would lobby for that.

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The rules being what? That StJ has to move down to L?

I would think that he would lobby for that.

Staying in LL lets him tell prospective players he will challenge them/get them ready for college. But will winning titles matter more to him? I think now he can drop back down to L but he may not want to.

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Staying in LL lets him tell prospective players he will challenge them/get them ready for college. But will winning titles matter more to him? I think now he can drop back down to L but he may not want to.

Are you serious????? Championships mean EVERYTHING to him. He’d probably be perfectly happy with winning FCIACs if he could, then breezing through L to win states.

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Are you serious????? Championships mean EVERYTHING to him. He’d probably be perfectly happy with winning FCIACs if he could, then breezing through L to win states.

The silly thing about the rule is that you are punishing kids who maybe had nothing to do with winning a title and may never get to win one. Let’s say they make it to the semis 2 out of 3 years, they stay in LL and then could graduate without ever having had a chance to play for one. Seems as though the simplest rule is if you win, you move up a class. If you don’t win that one, you drop down the next year. Or maybe you move up and make the semis, you stay up for one more year. OR, how about taking the two conference finalists all into the big dance each year and everyone else goes in by their size? Granted a few conferences like the Berkshire are weak and small, but how fair is it for those schools to hoist a state title when other schools that are much better never will.

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Year to year changes are too chaotic. The current system where you need a few consistent years of top performance works fine. Despite being a "school of choice" it seems StJ doesn't have the fire power to be consistent top LL performer. JN will probably welcome dropping back down to give families the desired hardware. That's what they're paying for.

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The silly thing about the rule is that you are punishing kids who maybe had nothing to do with winning a title and may never get to win one. Let’s say they make it to the semis 2 out of 3 years, they stay in LL and then could graduate without ever having had a chance to play for one. Seems as though the simplest rule is if you win, you move up a class. If you don’t win that one, you drop down the next year. Or maybe you move up and make the semis, you stay up for one more year. OR, how about taking the two conference finalists all into the big dance each year and everyone else goes in by their size? Granted a few conferences like the Berkshire are weak and small, but how fair is it for those schools to hoist a state title when other schools that are much better never will.

It's an easy fix. Put all schools of choice in their own conference and with their own playoffs. While many if these very few schools are not terribly good, it seems that one or two in every sport seem lucky to dwarf their public school competition even though they have a fraction of the students. That is not due to chance. At various times over the past decade see NWC, STJ, IHS, Suffield girls soccer, Xavier football, ECHS baseball, Cap Prep Girls bball ......who did I miss? They have a huge unfair advantage over their public school counterparts so don't feel bad for them.

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Year to year changes are too chaotic. The current system where you need a few consistent years of top performance works fine. Despite being a "school of choice" it seems StJ doesn't have the fire power to be consistent top LL performer. JN will probably welcome dropping back down to give families the desired hardware. That's what they're paying for.

it isn't year to year
min of 2 when you move- doesn't matter enrollment , its success driven

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It's an easy fix. Put all schools of choice in their own conference and with their own playoffs. While many if these very few schools are not terribly good, it seems that one or two in every sport seem lucky to dwarf their public school competition even though they have a fraction of the students. That is not due to chance. At various times over the past decade see NWC, STJ, IHS, Suffield girls soccer, Xavier football, ECHS baseball, Cap Prep Girls bball ......who did I miss? They have a huge unfair advantage over their public school counterparts so don't feel bad for them.

Not all the schools of choice are private - many are public. List here http://ciacsports.com/site/?page_id=137

This argument goes round and round every year, whenever a private does well. It is what it is and it ain't changing.

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Not all the schools of choice are private - many are public. List here http://ciacsports.com/site/?page_id=137

This argument goes round and round every year, whenever a private does well. It is what it is and it ain't changing.

Why does public or private matter? Look at Suffield and Old Lyme ... fairly successful public schools of choice .... it's amazing that better soccer players from surrounding towns all seem to end up in the same place .... not fair to the Coventry's or Oxfords of the world that only have players from the same zip. Where there are choices, the possibility is strong that better players in particular sports end up in the same place ... let them all play each other. While many are not terribly good at many sports, it only takes one or two (usually the same ones every year) that ruin it for everyone else with an uneven playing field.

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Not all the schools of choice are private - many are public. List here http://ciacsports.com/site/?page_id=137

This argument goes round and round every year, whenever a private does well. It is what it is and it ain't changing.

It is an anomoly though .... for such a small number of small schools, they win far more than their share of championships in every sport across the board. Look at the sheer number of schools of choice that go to the semis every year in every sport. There aren't that many boys running in girls track either and they already have several state records in only 2 years!