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    #31
    Originally posted by Just a Coach View Post
    72 to 96 hours of recovery time is not long enough to maintain a low injury rate in soccer. Players who played two matches a week had a six times higher injury rate, including a five times higher rate in the incidence of severe injuries, than those who played once a week [Dupont, G., Nedelec, M. & McCall, A. (2010) Effect of 2 soccer matches in a week on physical performance and injury rate. American Journal of Sports Medicine, (38), 1752-1758]. In the current system, when kids have to play as many as six games in three days during certain tournaments, high school and college calendars are extremely congested, one way to manage recovery time for players is to have large enough squads to rotate everyone. Perhaps, the first and the second team should train together and players should be allowed to freely rotate between the two teams. Of course, the schedule of playing twice a day and on consecutive days would still be unmanageable even with this system. Many coaches keep rotating players within the game. However, this way our kids will never learn soccer, at least not the game that the rest of the world plays.
    Interesting. If kids played half of one game and half of the next day's game wouldn't that help them learn soccer? Having kids play 90 minute games in intense heat and having two or three games close together is putting them at risk for injury.

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      #32
      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
      When there is a two day weekend or showcase event with four games, can they bring 22 and switch up the rosters for each game so a few sit out each day? Or does a team have to keep the same roster for the entire event?
      All the college showcases allow 22 on the official roster with 18 being rostered for any game. Same for any league for two games over a weekend.

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        #33
        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
        Interesting. If kids played half of one game and half of the next day's game wouldn't that help them learn soccer? Having kids play 90 minute games in intense heat and having two or three games close together is putting them at risk for injury.
        There are relationships between under-training, overtraining, injury, fitness and performance. Both inadequate and excessive training loads would result in increased injuries, reduced fitness and poor team performance. Hard and appropriate training combined with appropriate rest will result in adequate fitness and actually protect against overuse injuries. Soccer is a 90 minutes+ game in the rest of the world. That is the fitness level that players must achieve. Playing the full game is absolutely necessary to gain match fitness, as well as the only opportunity for youth players to get into the rhythm of the game, experience game dynamics and learn the tactical aspects of the game. These goals cannot be achieved by constantly taking players out of the game. This is an aspect of the game that is well understood by those who actually played soccer at a decent level.

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          #34
          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
          All the college showcases allow 22 on the official roster with 18 being rostered for any game. Same for any league for two games over a weekend.
          This rule must be changed to allow for more players on the roster. No player should be allowed to play competitive games on consecutive days, let alone twice a day.

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            #35
            Originally posted by Just a Coach View Post
            This rule must be changed to allow for more players on the roster. No player should be allowed to play competitive games on consecutive days, let alone twice a day.
            How many would you suggest on a U18 ECNL roster when two games are played in a weekend and how would you rotate the players?

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              #36
              Originally posted by Just a Coach View Post
              72 to 96 hours of recovery time is not long enough to maintain a low injury rate in soccer. Players who played two matches a week had a six times higher injury rate, including a five times higher rate in the incidence of severe injuries, than those who played once a week [Dupont, G., Nedelec, M. & McCall, A. (2010) Effect of 2 soccer matches in a week on physical performance and injury rate. American Journal of Sports Medicine, (38), 1752-1758]. In the current system, when kids have to play as many as six games in three days during certain tournaments, high school and college calendars are extremely congested, one way to manage recovery time for players is to have large enough squads to rotate everyone. Perhaps, the first and the second team should train together and players should be allowed to freely rotate between the two teams. Of course, the schedule of playing twice a day and on consecutive days would still be unmanageable even with this system. Many coaches keep rotating players within the game. However, this way our kids will never learn soccer, at least not the game that the rest of the world plays.
              I understand you completely. If you play for ECNL, you only ever play one game per day. If you have a roster of 21/22 many players don't get many minutes? They end up very upset and why? I would be ok with a big roster if talent was pretty equal across the board, but for our team, there is a huge drop off. There are at least 4-5 players that should get moved down. TBU 2001

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                #37
                Originally posted by Just a Coach View Post
                This rule must be changed to allow for more players on the roster. No player should be allowed to play competitive games on consecutive days, let alone twice a day.
                What?????????????????????????? Glad you don't coach anywhere near our team.

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                  #38
                  This issue is a common problem in the quest for youth soccer elitism at any age. As a parent in this situation I see having 22 youth players on a roster as counterproductive. Here are some of my thoughts as a parent listening to club provide reasoning for 22 player rosters.

                  CLUB: We take 22 plus players on a team to get them ready for the college soccer experience.
                  How do kids not playing much soccer get kids ready for college soccer?

                  CLUB: We take 22 plus players for school dances and college visits.
                  Why would you not schedule around this? This is a rare event that the entire team is missing for a school dance or college visit.

                  CLUB: We take 22 plus players so we can play full field games against ourselves.
                  Our complex is over crowded and we do not get a full field for practice? How is 22 plus players on half of a field great for development?

                  CLUB: We take 22 plus players for future injuries.
                  Why do you have so many injuries? How many injuries have you had each year?

                  CLUB: We take 22 plus players to compete for starting positions.
                  Please describe for what you are looking for in players?
                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWgyy_rlmag

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                    #39
                    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                    I understand you completely. If you play for ECNL, you only ever play one game per day. If you have a roster of 21/22 many players don't get many minutes? They end up very upset and why? I would be ok with a big roster if talent was pretty equal across the board, but for our team, there is a huge drop off. There are at least 4-5 players that should get moved down. TBU 2001
                    Plenty of players get no PT unless the coach is good about rotations, which they aren't. PT doesn't have to be equal but should be equitable. If you're player #15-22 and sitting most of the time it's time to explore other options. Doesn't matter what league and even worse for i14 and younger

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                      #40
                      Our club director stands up and says our club will not take more than 18 on a team roster (older age competitive teams) at tryouts. But then come August there are 22 because the club takes displaced players in. I would not have as much of a problem if the club said to these families if they want to come on late, then they will have to understand they will get to train full time but #19-#22 will have to wait until there is an injury or a regular player has to go on a college visit before they can get called to sub in a game, otherwise they can sub for other teams who have a need too. There may be weekends when they don't get to play a game. The club could charge the players a set fee for only the game weekends they attend.

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                        #41
                        This is a common problem in numerous youth clubs male and female.

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                          #42
                          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                          Plenty of players get no PT unless the coach is good about rotations, which they aren't. PT doesn't have to be equal but should be equitable. If you're player #15-22 and sitting most of the time it's time to explore other options. Doesn't matter what league and even worse for i14 and younger
                          Tough decision either way though you are correct. Hopefully the coach or DOC had honest conversations with the player and parents.

                          May have been a top premiere player but will be a relief player in DA or ECNL. Nothing wrong with that so the player will develop at a higher level hopefully. It is hard to break into established competitive teams so could worth it to a number of kids.

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                            #43
                            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                            TBU TBU TBU TBU TBU!!!! is that good enough.

                            Yes! The roster size is not good for anyone..., if you are at the bottom end, you have to sit out games or get minimal playing time. If you are a starter, you get pulled and the level of play drops so 'everyone' gets playing time. That's not going to happen in college. No one is happy. At the ECNL level, with all the money and travel involved, it makes for a bunch of unhappy girls and families. My heart breaks when I see stress, worry and crying on the sidelines by players. Just be honest with girls and their families and .carry a roster of 17/18 and if needed pull from the lower team. It's just not necessary to upset people and make girls feel terrible?

                            What happens for showcases? Everyone gets to play, the chemistry is off and no one looks good?
                            Why would a coach take a player and then not play them? If a player gets 10 or 15 minutes a game, why are they on the team? Are they helping the team? Is it fair to the player? Parents are paying for their kids to play. If a coach takes a player, they should be prepared to play them half the game. There is no reason to take more than 18 players. If players 17 and 18 aren't going to play, tell them at tryouts or don't take them.

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                              #44
                              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                              Plenty of players get no PT unless the coach is good about rotations, which they aren't. PT doesn't have to be equal but should be equitable. If you're player #15-22 and sitting most of the time it's time to explore other options. Doesn't matter what league and even worse for i14 and younger
                              I don't agree if you are U14 and below, play more equal time and develop your foot skills and soccer IQ. Unfortunately, most clubs don't do that- it will be evident at U16. My daughter is now U17, she was small until U16. Although she was small, her skills were always great. She had friends at U12 that were 5'9, and still are, they were once the star because the were big and strong, now at U16-U17, are struggling. Beware, focus on fit skills and soccer IQ... My daughter, who was always the smallest, at U24, now is U17 and 5'8, and is dominating. Many if her friends who where always big, they can't compete?

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                                #45
                                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                                Why would a coach take a player and then not play them? If a player gets 10 or 15 minutes a game, why are they on the team? Are they helping the team? Is it fair to the player? Parents are paying for their kids to play. If a coach takes a player, they should be prepared to play them half the game. There is no reason to take more than 18 players. If players 17 and 18 aren't going to play, tell them at tryouts or don't take them.
                                I thought TBU has a 50% play time rule.

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