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Old 08-18-2016
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That's the thing. GDA is just another league. There is no magic pixie dust that is going to make it any better than ECNL, EDP, NPL or whatever other alphabet soup that is the flavor of the day. The clubs and coaches in the nation are well known and finite. Any new league that forms is just going to grab the same clubs and coaches that were accepted by ECNL when it was hot, or EDP when it was hot and so on and so on.

The only dramatic change that is really possible is USSF offering free soccer to eliminate pay to play disadvantages but the money just isn't there for that.
the money is not there (or let's say USSF isn't willing to front it and there's no MLS clubs to help the most talented players play for free). so from a diversity standpoint there will be no diversity improvements or broadening of the talent pool. the last two announced club lists were pretty weak. had they stolen most ECNL clubs (like they wanted to) it would be an ECNL killer. but they didn't - ecnl held pretty steady all things considered. so we'll end up with two watered down leagues fighting for talent.
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Eric has it always been that way? Or did PDA amp it up once GDA announced? I thought it was 3x/week at the older ages.
I won't say it always been that way but this past year it was always. It wasn't every team that took this approach just the one my daughter was on. Years past they would do it from time to time. I am a fan of training more. Every other sports practices at least 4 to 5 times a week. The achievement that my daughters team accomplish this year was evident of the time they spent practicing and how much more they were prepared than other teams.

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ECNL Pros: proven college placement track record (all parents and player care about); many college coaches (with their knowledge of what it takes to play in college and great connections to help get players in); ability to play HS soccer and other sports; currently the best competition out there and training for college play

ECNL Cons: some clubs aren't very good and relegation almost never happens; no consistent training curriculum; games are crammed into a shorter season and normally are two per weekend; travel is a bit** and costly; not diverse; little to no coaching standards

GDA Pros: more training, less games (almost always one game/weekend); somewhat lower costs (but not by much and probably won't be a difference maker for the average soccer family); consistent training curriculum; no HS soccer (depending on your point of view)

GDA Cons: unproven college placement record (for now); some clubs aren't very good but at least boys DA does relegate once in awhile; travel is still a bit** and costly; no HS soccer or any other sport; most college coaches will not be able to make a 10 month commitment - so who coaches?; limited substitution rules means some players will travel and never see a minute of game time; won't be any more diverse than ECNL; rising complaints on the boys system that it has become too regimented and turning out robotic players
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The two other pros for GDA

1. national team scouts will be at GDA games.
2. USSF audits clubs for compliance and improvements areas with the authority to kick out clubs for repeated violations or a bad product
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In addition, the ECNL defense team is overbearing. I think they would be better off selling the positives of what they offer. The non stop attacks on the GDA are too much and read like dutiful posts that someone is getting paid to make.
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Nice post

The two other pros for GDA

1. national team scouts will be at GDA games.
2. USSF audits clubs for compliance and improvements areas with the authority to kick out clubs for repeated violations or a bad product
Poster did mention relegation. It happens but not very often and takes some time. In ECNL it obviously never happens.

As for the other - it there's a player with NT skills, they'll scout her out (then probably pressure her to switch). There just aren't that many at that level and they stand out. Besides, that's a factor that will only mater to a few players. Most know they're not NT material. They only care about college. Whichever platform helps them reach their college soccer goals will be what they chose.
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In addition, the ECNL defense team is overbearing. I think they would be better off selling the positives of what they offer. The non stop attacks on the GDA are too much and read like dutiful posts that someone is getting paid to make.
vs all the pro GDA posts? I am the first to point out ECNL flaws, but they're in survival mode and are doing what they have to. I can't fault them for that. And truthfully GDA has plenty of its own flaws as well.
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Interesting discussion.

At some clubs it will be a mute argument to discuss either / or as ECNL will be kicked to the curb as soon as DA arrives.

It is already openly discussed by the higher ups that ECNL is dead at our club next year and DA will be the only elite level option.
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Interesting discussion.

At some clubs it will be a mute argument to discuss either / or as ECNL will be kicked to the curb as soon as DA arrives.

It is already openly discussed by the higher ups that ECNL is dead at our club next year and DA will be the only elite level option.
Supposedly only a few top clubs will be allowed to do both. Who decides that and on what basis is unclear - most likely it's ECNL and they'll want to keep those top clubs in the league fro greater credibility. But realistically not many clubs are big enough to effectively do both. All the others are forced into making a choice. Some opting not to apply for GDA at all. GDA will happen, it will be fine, it will be the "top" league but not by a landslide. ECNL will be #2 but by a small margin. It isn't going away, much to USSF's consternation
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Maybe we are all looking at this wrong?

We are operating under the assumption this is a USSF power grab.

But could this be a USSF move to thwart future Title IX lawsuits brought on by the USWNT lawsuit over wages?

That would explain the joint venture with ECNL. USSF knows ECNL produces NT players at the various levels.

Interesting article on wage disparity

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2016/04/...ls-revolution/
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Instruction is very important but IMO great players produce themselves. There were great players before the current top leagues existed and there will be great players when they are gone.
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