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    #31
    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
    Right. All the powerhouse D1 coaches opted to watch Thorns play in the consolation tournament in San Diego instead of watching the GDA teams who are actually quite good play in the real tournament. Pro tip: just because there’s a long list of coaches attending an event doesn’t mean they are there to specifically see your player. Unless your player or coach were contacted by a coach that is?
    Was this a consolation tournament for Burlingame and Portland (Jonestown) ?
    Consoling kids and Jonestown DA parents for a team that got skunked, battered, demoralized and finally decimated. And now some of the kids want to play High School ball but have been forced and brainwashed that HS soccer is bad at Mountainside and Beaverton and Jesuit and Sunset and Hillsboro etc...because the coaches don't meet USDA Beef Head Standards?

    Here in 'Vantucky' we don't play that crap! No Koolaid please!

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      #32
      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
      Was this a consolation tournament for Burlingame and Portland (Jonestown) ?
      Consoling kids and Jonestown DA parents for a team that got skunked, battered, demoralized and finally decimated. And now some of the kids want to play High School ball but have been forced and brainwashed that HS soccer is bad at Mountainside and Beaverton and Jesuit and Sunset and Hillsboro etc...because the coaches don't meet USDA Beef Head Standards?

      Here in 'Vantucky' we don't play that crap! No Koolaid please!
      A big reason they have "consolation brackets" at these shindigs is so the coaches can look at the teams that didn't qualify for the main event. After all, and this is important to remember--coaches are there to see PLAYERS, not TEAMS; and as Mo Salah will happily tell you, good players often find themselves on bad teams. Especially if they are from a burg like Portland, where the best possible squad would get skunked by any of a dozen SoCal teams.

      And kids who want to play high school ball can do ECNL or OYSA. Nobody has been brainwashed; the insistence that anyone who makes a different choice than you would make is not of a right mind is obnoxious. The girls who choose GDA want to focus on soccer full time. That may be--shocking--what they like best and what they want to do. There are many choices out there, faster.

      HS soccer at the Metro League schools is actually quite good--the teams are coached by full-time club coaches, in many cases, as opposed to the math teacher, and there's enough "critical mass" of players coming from the clubs who know how to play the game before they first set foot into a high school locker room. But in other parts of the state--soccer is a girls' sport only, or neglected altogether.

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        #33
        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
        A big reason they have "consolation brackets" at these shindigs is so the coaches can look at the teams that didn't qualify for the main event. After all, and this is important to remember--coaches are there to see PLAYERS, not TEAMS; and as Mo Salah will happily tell you, good players often find themselves on bad teams. Especially if they are from a burg like Portland, where the best possible squad would get skunked by any of a dozen SoCal teams.

        And kids who want to play high school ball can do ECNL or OYSA. Nobody has been brainwashed; the insistence that anyone who makes a different choice than you would make is not of a right mind is obnoxious. The girls who choose GDA want to focus on soccer full time. That may be--shocking--what they like best and what they want to do. There are many choices out there, faster.

        HS soccer at the Metro League schools is actually quite good--the teams are coached by full-time club coaches, in many cases, as opposed to the math teacher, and there's enough "critical mass" of players coming from the clubs who know how to play the game before they first set foot into a high school locker room. But in other parts of the state--soccer is a girls' sport only, or neglected altogether.
        Fair points but one addition here: The girls parents who choose GDA want to focus on soccer full time, not so much the girls. Their coaches further the narrative by disparaging coaches who are arguably better than many of the coaches within GDA. The Jesuit coach is a good example with a long track record of success (not just driven by a group of good players aka LeBron James syndrome). There are many others.

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          #34
          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
          Fair points but one addition here: The girls parents who choose GDA want to focus on soccer full time, not so much the girls. Their coaches further the narrative by disparaging coaches who are arguably better than many of the coaches within GDA. The Jesuit coach is a good example with a long track record of success (not just driven by a group of good players aka LeBron James syndrome). There are many others.
          Project much?

          Bashing other club coaches in front of parents, sadly, is a time-honored tradition in youth soccer, and anyone who suggests that ECNL and OYSA coaches don't do this is either a fool or a liar.

          Perhaps there are girls who would prefer something other than GDA but had arms twisted by parents, but I haven't met one. That said, the sort of "tiger moms" who would apply that sort of pressure are highly motivated by prestige more than anything else--if they are pushing girls to GDA rather than ECNL, then ECNL has a problem.

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            #35
            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
            Fair points but one addition here: The girls parents who choose GDA want to focus on soccer full time, not so much the girls. Their coaches further the narrative by disparaging coaches who are arguably better than many of the coaches within GDA. The Jesuit coach is a good example with a long track record of success (not just driven by a group of good players aka LeBron James syndrome). There are many others.
            Jesuit has its pick of athletes, for the most part. They don't call it "Jesuit University" without a good reason.

            Which is not to say that Chris Thurley and Steve Fennah aren't good coaches, but both have been rather pissy about the DA (boys and girls) precisely because it dilutes the available talent pool. The idea that prep coaches shouldn't automatically get first dibs on top talent seems to not compute.

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              #36
              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
              Jesuit has its pick of athletes, for the most part. They don't call it "Jesuit University" without a good reason.

              Which is not to say that Chris Thurley and Steve Fennah aren't good coaches, but both have been rather pissy about the DA (boys and girls) precisely because it dilutes the available talent pool. The idea that prep coaches shouldn't automatically get first dibs on top talent seems to not compute.
              Correction. Thurley WAS pissy. Until Thorns GDA started signing his paycheck. Then he became a huge academy supporter. That’s called being a sellout for the in unenlightened.

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                #37
                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                Correction. Thurley WAS pissy. Until Thorns GDA started signing his paycheck. Then he became a huge academy supporter. That’s called being a sellout for the in unenlightened.
                Thurley, in addition to being the boys HS coach at Jesuit (or as they call it, the MEN'S high school coach--again, Jesuit University), is now a staff coach at GDA. Of course, seven years ago he, along with several other Metro League coaches, skeptical of DA: https://www.oregonlive.com/news/oreg...my_leaves.html

                That said, this is all public knowledge. If the board of directors (or the AD) at Jesuit view this as an unacceptable conflict of interest, they are well within their rights to dismiss him. Abstract whining from the anonymous peanut gallery that his GDA gig was only offered to buy his cooperation on the boys' side is a dubious accusation.

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                  #38
                  Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                  Thurley, in addition to being the boys HS coach at Jesuit (or as they call it, the MEN'S high school coach--again, Jesuit University), is now a staff coach at GDA. Of course, seven years ago he, along with several other Metro League coaches, skeptical of DA: https://www.oregonlive.com/news/oreg...my_leaves.html

                  That said, this is all public knowledge. If the board of directors (or the AD) at Jesuit view this as an unacceptable conflict of interest, they are well within their rights to dismiss him. Abstract whining from the anonymous peanut gallery that his GDA gig was only offered to buy his cooperation on the boys' side is a dubious accusation.
                  In all candor, opinions change when you get paid coupled with the fact nobody in the area wants to commit to a brutal DA coaching gig.

                  Hypocrisy and Jesuit? No...No...Never.

                  Good ole Catholics, always.

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                    #39
                    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                    Fair points but one addition here: The girls parents who choose GDA want to focus on soccer full time, not so much the girls. Their coaches further the narrative by disparaging coaches who are arguably better than many of the coaches within GDA. The Jesuit coach is a good example with a long track record of success (not just driven by a group of good players aka LeBron James syndrome). There are many others.
                    Oregon's current crop of local club coaches are unremarkable on their own,they don't need to be disparaged, their results, methods and quest for paychecks tell the story.

                    Sorry, Jesuit has had success regardless of it's soccer coach since the 90's all driven by having the best of the best talent in Oregon & SW going to this Private School. I would argue they are underachieving every year they don't win it. Which does actually speak to coaching.

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                      #40
                      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                      A big reason they have "consolation brackets" at these shindigs is so the coaches can look at the teams that didn't qualify for the main event. After all, and this is important to remember--coaches are there to see PLAYERS, not TEAMS; and as Mo Salah will happily tell you, good players often find themselves on bad teams. Especially if they are from a burg like Portland, where the best possible squad would get skunked by any of a dozen SoCal teams.

                      And kids who want to play high school ball can do ECNL or OYSA. Nobody has been brainwashed; the insistence that anyone who makes a different choice than you would make is not of a right mind is obnoxious. The girls who choose GDA want to focus on soccer full time. That may be--shocking--what they like best and what they want to do. There are many choices out there, faster.

                      HS soccer at the Metro League schools is actually quite good--the teams are coached by full-time club coaches, in many cases, as opposed to the math teacher, and there's enough "critical mass" of players coming from the clubs who know how to play the game before they first set foot into a high school locker room. But in other parts of the state--soccer is a girls' sport only, or neglected altogether.

                      The best reason to have a consolation bracket in a meaningless showcase is to bring in more revenue from hopeless teams to the tourney coffers. The organizers structure the event that includes a top flight tier of clubs playing at the event maybe, just maybe a college coach scouting a wouldn't mind having a look at a outlier club/player for a few minutes. Maybe find a needle in haystack. Sad reality, the coaches stick to watching the top shelf while the consolation kids get little to no looks.

                      Nearly every kid in Oregon who wants to play outside of the HS season must join a local club, you really are sharing some keen knowledge.

                      The reality is so few kids are chosen for the elite Timbers or Thorns DA the true impact on the local club player is they get to keep a secure spot on their club team since the top talent moved to the DA and can't knock them off the local club.
                      Count your blessings you can afford to play club soccer with no threat of talented kids moving you to the 'b' team, thank the DA.

                      Need to drop some more knowledge on your clueless soul, since 2008 every 6A Girls Championship team was coached by a school teacher or staff member. Not one was coached by anyone claiming to be a full time 'club' coach. Same goes for the Boys side. (Thorns or Timbers DA Coach is not a club Coach)

                      With the OSAA HS participation rules so restrictive on Coaches, it makes no sense for a local club coach to try and coach club & HS, unless they flip to coaching the opposite gender they train in HS.

                      This isn't glass half-full or half-empty discussion. Some people are just plain empty of any footing in reality.

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