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Crossfire Premier officially out of GDA. Huge hit for GDA, and major coup for ECNL.
http://www.eliteclubsnationalleague....n-for-2019-20/
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostWasn’t the original draw I’d DA about pathway to the national team? Not that anyone here will be affected, but isn’t it still true they will draw from their own league first. All things equal DA is the better choice if you think you have that talent. For 99.9999 ECNL and high school play is best but DA still holds NT card
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostStars didn't market heavily for DA. They divided the talent. They were not competitive as a result. JD, being on the ECNL Board, could never have gone all in with the DA. Outside of our region the GDA was not bad with the top level teams.
In our region, the teams with the exception of NEFC (Breakers last year), Oakwood (a few good teams) and NYCFC (a few of their teams were very good last year), weren't very good. Fury/Albertson's wasn't bad and is much better this year.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostNo they are not. Neither are.
They misjudged treating the girls like the boys in their market analysis.
Clubs conflicting agendas
Number of elite players
Travel
Cost
They dont treat the boys like girls. Thats not possible as part of the boys agenda is a viable professional agenda.
Womens soccer in the US is a sport where all the money is made at Youth Club level so every private entity is all about increasing numbers and market share. Its not about developing players for someone else to use.
The USSF are finding out that "do it for the honor or repping the USA" counts for nothing vs dollars and cents
Add to that the leadership vacuum on the womens side, the poor youth results and the lack of accountability and you have a NT carrot that is not only rotten, but clearly rotten. If you were looking at the youth teams for an indication that the GDA is having an impact on quality, coaching and selections you quickly realize that nothing has changed.
In light of all of that, if you have a choice, then why bother with the more restrictive option?
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostThey also misjudged the strength of ECNL. They didn't have that to compete against when they started BDA. Had they done GDA at the same time or shortly after then this mess never would have happened. Players are the ones getting screwed.
for me, your ECNL data point is the U17 and U20 WC just gone. Most of these kids are a product of the ECNL. Relative to nations we used to dominate we have lost ground. Clearly those nations had more room to go up, but just look at the technical levels and the style of game played. We have gone nowhere in that regard.
If your measure is financial strength or something else, then maybe
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In light of all of that, if you have a choice, then why bother with the more restrictive option?
Neither is getting all the Region's best players. GDA due to HS issue; ECNL because the two clubs for everyone north of CT isn't enough.
I'll make up a stat, but I bet 60% of the players are playing in a league the club dictates, and could give a crap on which patch is on their sleeve.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View Posti dont think its about strength of the ECNL. its about the devil you know. Neither league is strong if your measurement is the quality of player graduating.
for me, your ECNL data point is the U17 and U20 WC just gone. Most of these kids are a product of the ECNL. Relative to nations we used to dominate we have lost ground. Clearly those nations had more room to go up, but just look at the technical levels and the style of game played. We have gone nowhere in that regard.
If your measure is financial strength or something else, then maybe
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostPlayers are developing within the leagues - ECNL or DA. They are not producing a womens team. They are giving the the USSF the raw material from which to building a team. Recently, that team has not been built.
It’s still early on the girl’s side, but look at the boy’s DA and you can see where USSF wants to take DA. Most of the youth NT are nearly entirely from DA and these players are starting to appear more and more at the senior NT and pro MLS levels. If USSF can build GDA over the next decade like the boy’s side, then I wouldn’t be surprised to see GDA players making up nearly all NT and NWSL rosters. USSF pays the salaries for NT players in NWSL so they have a lot of control over these spots.
While ECNL will probably have a place long-term for girls who either just want to end their career in college or don’t have the skills to go beyond that, USSF controls the NT and top NWSL spots.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostWhether it’s clearly stated in the marketing materials or even clear in the minds of current players or parents in either league, the goals of ECNL and GDA are quite different. ECNL is simply an elite club league for college-bound players. GDA on the other hand was developed directly by USSF for NT and pro career, even though in practice many of those players will end up in college and will never go beyond that simply because NT/pros only need the very top players.
For those parents, you then have it broken to a few different camps:
_ A good way to get exposure for college, just like ECNL and to a lesser degree, NPL. Just exposure, not an expection.
_Some, it's just what the highest level that their club offers so they are going with the flow for now.
_A select few, because they think the patch means D1 scholarship
So, for 90%+ of the GDA participants, they are doing it for the exact same reason the ECNL participants are.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostWhether it’s clearly stated in the marketing materials or even clear in the minds of current players or parents in either league, the goals of ECNL and GDA are quite different. ECNL is simply an elite club league for college-bound players. GDA on the other hand was developed directly by USSF for NT and pro career, even though in practice many of those players will end up in college and will never go beyond that simply because NT/pros only need the very top players.
It’s still early on the girl’s side, but look at the boy’s DA and you can see where USSF wants to take DA. Most of the youth NT are nearly entirely from DA and these players are starting to appear more and more at the senior NT and pro MLS levels. If USSF can build GDA over the next decade like the boy’s side, then I wouldn’t be surprised to see GDA players making up nearly all NT and NWSL rosters. USSF pays the salaries for NT players in NWSL so they have a lot of control over these spots.
While ECNL will probably have a place long-term for girls who either just want to end their career in college or don’t have the skills to go beyond that, USSF controls the NT and top NWSL spots.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostWhether it’s clearly stated in the marketing materials or even clear in the minds of current players or parents in either league, the goals of ECNL and GDA are quite different. ECNL is simply an elite club league for college-bound players. GDA on the other hand was developed directly by USSF for NT and pro career, even though in practice many of those players will end up in college and will never go beyond that simply because NT/pros only need the very top players.
It’s still early on the girl’s side, but look at the boy’s DA and you can see where USSF wants to take DA. Most of the youth NT are nearly entirely from DA and these players are starting to appear more and more at the senior NT and pro MLS levels. If USSF can build GDA over the next decade like the boy’s side, then I wouldn’t be surprised to see GDA players making up nearly all NT and NWSL rosters. USSF pays the salaries for NT players in NWSL so they have a lot of control over these spots.
While ECNL will probably have a place long-term for girls who either just want to end their career in college or don’t have the skills to go beyond that, USSF controls the NT and top NWSL spots.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View Posti dont think its about strength of the ECNL. its about the devil you know. Neither league is strong if your measurement is the quality of player graduating.
for me, your ECNL data point is the U17 and U20 WC just gone. Most of these kids are a product of the ECNL. Relative to nations we used to dominate we have lost ground. Clearly those nations had more room to go up, but just look at the technical levels and the style of game played. We have gone nowhere in that regard.
If your measure is financial strength or something else, then maybe
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostWhether it’s clearly stated in the marketing materials or even clear in the minds of current players or parents in either league, the goals of ECNL and GDA are quite different. ECNL is simply an elite club league for college-bound players. GDA on the other hand was developed directly by USSF for NT and pro career, even though in practice many of those players will end up in college and will never go beyond that simply because NT/pros only need the very top players.
It’s still early on the girl’s side, but look at the boy’s DA and you can see where USSF wants to take DA. Most of the youth NT are nearly entirely from DA and these players are starting to appear more and more at the senior NT and pro MLS levels. If USSF can build GDA over the next decade like the boy’s side, then I wouldn’t be surprised to see GDA players making up nearly all NT and NWSL rosters. USSF pays the salaries for NT players in NWSL so they have a lot of control over these spots.
While ECNL will probably have a place long-term for girls who either just want to end their career in college or don’t have the skills to go beyond that, USSF controls the NT and top NWSL spots.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostYay. So my kid can work her butt off, land in the NWSL and work a part time job at Starbucks to make rent. No thanks! But thanks for the laugh.
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