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Cornell Men’s Head coach John Smith reneged on a verbal commit
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostPlease. How many variables are in this story. And how and why did it even get to this journal? The team found someone they think is better for their needs and backed out of their offer. Do you really think the kid got worse in his spring club season AND Cornell re-scouted him and said 'thanks but no thanks?'
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostPlease. How many variables are in this story. And how and why did it even get to this journal? The team found someone they think is better for their needs and backed out of their offer. Do you really think the kid got worse in his spring club season AND Cornell re-scouted him and said 'thanks but no thanks?'
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It's all verbal until it's on a signed contract and that only applies if you're getting athletic money. Ivies and D3s can reneg at any time also. Coaches don't often reneg because then they develop a reputation for it which hurts recruiting. But if a player can't get admitted, slacks off, maybe gets into trouble in school or even with the police, an offer can be yanked. Coaches also just change their minds and look for excuses. Douchey for sure but it happens. Players can change their minds also.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostIt's all verbal until it's on a signed contract and that only applies if you're getting athletic money. Ivies and D3s can reneg at any time also. Coaches don't often reneg because then they develop a reputation for it which hurts recruiting. But if a player can't get admitted, slacks off, maybe gets into trouble in school or even with the police, an offer can be yanked. Coaches also just change their minds and look for excuses. Douchey for sure but it happens. Players can change their minds also.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostCould be that the coach did the harder proper thing by being upfront about not supporting the player. I wouldn't be shocked if some coaches decided to not support a recruit with the admissions office, let the player apply early, and get rejected. Then the coach can say the application wasn't strong enough or the admissions office was the bad guy. If the player gets in, great, it's a "free" recruit that maybe works out, or maybe gets cut. Probably even easier to do with an Ivy where there is not athletic scholarship at play.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View Postgreat, who pays for that PG year?
ALL commitments are verbal until an NLI is signed, most in November of your senior year. NLIS only apply if you're getting athletic money and Ivies don't give athletic money. If you're getting only financial aid, merit$ or nothing at all there is no binding contract 9other than the school itself agreeing to give you x). Obviously with D3s there's no binding contract either. MOST coaches will stick with their commitments. If they develop a reputation for withdrawing then it becomes harder for them to attract talent. But, they can and do change their minds. Some players can't get admitted (a particular issue with top academic schools). Some players don't develop/mature the way a coach had hoped, often because the player stops putting an effort in. Sometimes the coach learns something negative about the player they don't like (social media has gotten many a player in trouble).
Players can and do change their minds too, leaving coaches scrambling to fill spots. By and large the honor system works but it is good to know what can happen.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostIt's all verbal until it's on a signed contract and that only applies if you're getting athletic money. Ivies and D3s can reneg at any time also. Coaches don't often reneg because then they develop a reputation for it which hurts recruiting. But if a player can't get admitted, slacks off, maybe gets into trouble in school or even with the police, an offer can be yanked. Coaches also just change their minds and look for excuses. Douchey for sure but it happens. Players can change their minds also.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostIt's all verbal until it's on a signed contract and that only applies if you're getting athletic money. Ivies and D3s can reneg at any time also. Coaches don't often reneg because then they develop a reputation for it which hurts recruiting. But if a player can't get admitted, slacks off, maybe gets into trouble in school or even with the police, an offer can be yanked. Coaches also just change their minds and look for excuses. Douchey for sure but it happens. Players can change their minds also.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostAnd let that be a lesson to all. Verbals mean absolutely nothing to either party. As a player if school A offered my kid a 50% verbal and a year later school B offered them 75% and the schools were similar academically I would encourage my kid to take the better offer. This is a coach's full-time job and they do this stuff year after yearto countless kids (most of which we never hear about). They have made it a cut throat world and NCAA allows it so parents should not be trapped by the newness of the situation and how, intuitively, it feels like breach if a contract ..... Players and parents should understand up front that a verbal is not an enforceable contract by anyone and should not be deterred by it (a verbal is such a 1-way deal in the college coach's favor). Until you sign a document with specific details then people all doors are open ..... Please do not forget that.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostAnd let that be a lesson to all. Verbals mean absolutely nothing to either party. As a player if school A offered my kid a 50% verbal and a year later school B offered them 75% and the schools were similar academically I would encourage my kid to take the better offer. This is a coach's full-time job and they do this stuff year after yearto countless kids (most of which we never hear about). They have made it a cut throat world and NCAA allows it so parents should not be trapped by the newness of the situation and how, intuitively, it feels like breach if a contract ..... Players and parents should understand up front that a verbal is not an enforceable contract by anyone and should not be deterred by it (a verbal is such a 1-way deal in the college coach's favor). Until you sign a document with specific details then people all doors are open ..... Please do not forget that.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostWhat are you talking about? There's no thing as a 50% or 75% verbal. You either get offered a verbal commitment or you don't. With the Ivys you will get a preread from admissions before the verbal is offered. So unless the player screws up badly later on, most coaches hold to their verbals. The coaches that don't develop reputations and soon players start avoiding them.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostBS, you know where you are on the scale, verbally. If you didn't you are messed up and a fool. If that was policy every coach would offer verbals to a million different kids, wait until the NLI signing day and then toss out 10% letters. Don't be naive.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostBS, you know where you are on the scale, verbally. If you didn't you are messed up and a fool. If that was policy every coach would offer verbals to a million different kids, wait until the NLI signing day and then toss out 10% letters. Don't be naive.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostWhat are you talking about? There's no thing as a 50% or 75% verbal. You either get offered a verbal commitment or you don't. With the Ivys you will get a preread from admissions before the verbal is offered. So unless the player screws up badly later on, most coaches hold to their verbals. The coaches that don't develop reputations and soon players start avoiding them.
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