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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostSorry but you are just making excuses for HC. I'm a HC alum as well. They once had not just good, but great, sports programs and absolutely were capable of producing both students and athletes at the same time but then Fr Brooks decided that they didn't want to play the big time sports game. That was actually about money, not education. When you look at how big schools like BC and Georgetown have become since then it was a gamble that ultimately failed. The problems at HC are basically athletics are not a priority and the administration only gives lip service to the athletic department. They are trying to be a D3 athletic program while competing in the D1 world. That's why their teams generally stink and it has nothing to do athletes not being able to "hide" on their campus. Places like Stanford, Duke, and Georgetown etc are equally rigorous academically and yet they seem to be able to get the job done both in the classroom and out on the field. The bottom line is the problems with HC athletics could be solved with investment in facilities, coaches and players but the school chooses not to do that so what you see is what you get. Second rate athletics living off legends off yesterday.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostI suspect that ship has sailed, but how about just trying to be merely good and be able to compete against similarly-situated Patriot League schools? I can't comment on the current guy's technical abilities as a coach, but their recruiting profile is low locally compared with where it should be- they should be in the mix for every kid who wants BC but is a step too slow for the ACC (understanding that they'll lose some because of the Patriot League academic standards).
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostSame player that BU, Northeastern and Providence are looking for. The bottom line to D1 athletics is you have to get out there and recruit. You certainly can't sit back and wait for prospects to come looking for you. The real problem around here is none of the college coaches actually know how to recruit. In other parts of the country the college athletic programs do way more in the communities with appearance, clinics etc all in the guise of public service when in reality it is all part of their recruiting process. They start building name recognition and brand loyalty years before a kid even dreams of being recruited and so when it does become time for them to select a college they naturally consider the school that they have been following for years. None of the coaches around here approach recruiting anywhere near like that.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostI suspect that ship has sailed, but how about just trying to be merely good and be able to compete against similarly-situated Patriot League schools? I can't comment on the current guy's technical abilities as a coach, but their recruiting profile is low locally compared with where it should be- they should be in the mix for every kid who wants BC but is a step too slow for the ACC (understanding that they'll lose some because of the Patriot League academic standards).
Good players make good coaches and you're not going to get good players when you don't pursue good players.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostSorry but you are just making excuses for HC. I'm a HC alum as well. They once had not just good, but great, sports programs and absolutely were capable of producing both students and athletes at the same time but then Fr Brooks decided that they didn't want to play the big time sports game. That was actually about money, not education. When you look at how big schools like BC and Georgetown have become since then it was a gamble that ultimately failed. The problems at HC are basically athletics are not a priority and the administration only gives lip service to the athletic department. They are trying to be a D3 athletic program while competing in the D1 world. That's why their teams generally stink and it has nothing to do athletes not being able to "hide" on their campus. Places like Stanford, Duke, and Georgetown etc are equally rigorous academically and yet they seem to be able to get the job done both in the classroom and out on the field. The bottom line is the problems with HC athletics could be solved with investment in facilities, coaches and players but the school chooses not to do that so what you see is what you get. Second rate athletics living off legends off yesterday.
i agree that HC turning down the invite to the Big East was a big mistake and I hope they are doing the right things to get the invite to Hockey East.
But ..
Look at the schools you mention:
Stamford - enrollment 16,000(graduate & undergraduate) 32 D1 sports
Georgetown - enrollment 18,000(graduate & undergraduate) 23 D1 sports
Duke - enrollment 15,000(graduate & undergraduate) 21 D1 sports
Holy Cross -enrollment 2,700(strictly undergraduate) 25 D 1 sports
Not all these athletes at HC can expect scholarships. it is not fiscally feasible.
HC spends far more on football than Georgetown and none of these schools have a hockey team like HC. In fact, Georgetown provides no football scholarships and their ability to compete in the Patriot League in football is going to be very difficult.
I don't have the numbers, but suspect that HC spends far more per student on athletics than any of the schools you mention.
I am guessing HC would love to compete in D3 in the non-revenue sports and when I was there they could. The problem is the NCAA won't let them do that anymore.
As far as recruiting locally, it is true HC has few soccer recruits from the area. Is it the cost the kid would have to pay? Is it the academics? is it the school's curriculum?
I know from HC's perspective they want to widen their reach across the country so they are not considered strictly a regional New England school. The kids they recruit for these sports can help in this regard. If you look at their roster there are kids from the west coast and the mid-west. It would certainly be cheaper to recruit locally.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostAs mentioned discussion about HC athletics among HC alums goes on ad nausum.
i agree that HC turning down the invite to the Big East was a big mistake and I hope they are doing the right things to get the invite to Hockey East.
But ..
Look at the schools you mention:
Stamford - enrollment 16,000(graduate & undergraduate) 32 D1 sports
Georgetown - enrollment 18,000(graduate & undergraduate) 23 D1 sports
Duke - enrollment 15,000(graduate & undergraduate) 21 D1 sports
Holy Cross -enrollment 2,700(strictly undergraduate) 25 D 1 sports
Not all these athletes at HC can expect scholarships. it is not fiscally feasible.
HC spends far more on football than Georgetown and none of these schools have a hockey team like HC. In fact, Georgetown provides no football scholarships and their ability to compete in the Patriot League in football is going to be very difficult.
I don't have the numbers, but suspect that HC spends far more per student on athletics than any of the schools you mention.
I am guessing HC would love to compete in D3 in the non-revenue sports and when I was there they could. The problem is the NCAA won't let them do that anymore.
As far as recruiting locally, it is true HC has few soccer recruits from the area. Is it the cost the kid would have to pay? Is it the academics? is it the school's curriculum?
I know from HC's perspective they want to widen their reach across the country so they are not considered strictly a regional New England school. The kids they recruit for these sports can help in this regard. If you look at their roster there are kids from the west coast and the mid-west. It would certainly be cheaper to recruit locally.
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Holy Cross has multiple Bolts on the roster, with more coming in next fall. RB is active on the recruiting trail among DA teams in the northeast. He goes to a lot of games, contacts DA coaches, and follows up with the players.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostHoly Cross has multiple Bolts on the roster, with more coming in next fall. RB is active on the recruiting trail among DA teams in the northeast. He goes to a lot of games, contacts DA coaches, and follows up with the players.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostThen he's doing it with the wrong players. Look at his record.
I do agree with previous posts. Kids RB was recruiting and then MK had no idea who they were when they came to visit. His trademark deer in the headlights look. Needless to say after that experience these same players landed up taking slots at BU, PC and Northeastern for 2017...
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostAs mentioned discussion about HC athletics among HC alums goes on ad nausum.
i agree that HC turning down the invite to the Big East was a big mistake and I hope they are doing the right things to get the invite to Hockey East.
But ..
Look at the schools you mention:
Stamford - enrollment 16,000(graduate & undergraduate) 32 D1 sports
Georgetown - enrollment 18,000(graduate & undergraduate) 23 D1 sports
Duke - enrollment 15,000(graduate & undergraduate) 21 D1 sports
Holy Cross -enrollment 2,700(strictly undergraduate) 25 D 1 sports
Not all these athletes at HC can expect scholarships. it is not fiscally feasible.
HC spends far more on football than Georgetown and none of these schools have a hockey team like HC. In fact, Georgetown provides no football scholarships and their ability to compete in the Patriot League in football is going to be very difficult.
I don't have the numbers, but suspect that HC spends far more per student on athletics than any of the schools you mention.
I am guessing HC would love to compete in D3 in the non-revenue sports and when I was there they could. The problem is the NCAA won't let them do that anymore.
As far as recruiting locally, it is true HC has few soccer recruits from the area. Is it the cost the kid would have to pay? Is it the academics? is it the school's curriculum?
I know from HC's perspective they want to widen their reach across the country so they are not considered strictly a regional New England school. The kids they recruit for these sports can help in this regard. If you look at their roster there are kids from the west coast and the mid-west. It would certainly be cheaper to recruit locally.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostHas it been confirmed that he is out?
I do agree with previous posts. Kids RB was recruiting and then MK had no idea who they were when they came to visit. His trademark deer in the headlights look. Needless to say after that experience these same players landed up taking slots at BU, PC and Northeastern for 2017...
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