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**Unregistered** · 08-05-2020, 01:46 PM

You can't stop stupid. 1265 dead yesterday across the country, and 245 of those were in Florida. 5446 new cases yesterday in Florida -- on the way back up from the weekend which is typical. Come on Florida you can get to 10,000 new cases daily with 400 dead pretty easy. Tomorrow you will break the 500,000 case mark for sure, and will be over 7500. Heck, by this time next week we could easily be at 10,000 Floridians dead from covid.

I assume Florida is shooting for 1,000,000 cases by election day with 40,000 dead. I mean heck, right now the country is sitting at 160,000 dead -- that's more than were killed in every American military action, of any type of nature, since the end of WWII. So, add together Vietnam dead, Korea dead, Middle East dead, and everything else, and you are no where near the number of Americans who have died from covid just since February of this year.

**Unregistered** · 08-05-2020, 01:54 PM

Originally posted by Unregistered View Post

You can't stop stupid. 1265 dead yesterday across the country, and 245 of those were in Florida. 5446 new cases yesterday in Florida -- on the way back up from the weekend which is typical. Come on Florida you can get to 10,000 new cases daily with 400 dead pretty easy. Tomorrow you will break the 500,000 case mark for sure, and will be over 7500. Heck, by this time next week we could easily be at 10,000 Floridians dead from covid.

I assume Florida is shooting for 1,000,000 cases by election day with 40,000 dead. I mean heck, right now the country is sitting at 160,000 dead -- that's more than were killed in every American military action, of any type of nature, since the end of WWII. So, add together Vietnam dead, Korea dead, Middle East dead, and everything else, and you are no where near the number of Americans who have died from covid just since February of this year.

What about these numbers? Should we shut the world down for these as well?

Heart disease: 647,457
Cancer: 599,108
Accidents (unintentional injuries): 169,936

**Unregistered** · 08-05-2020, 01:58 PM

Originally posted by Unregistered View Post

You can't stop stupid. 1265 dead yesterday across the country, and 245 of those were in Florida. 5446 new cases yesterday in Florida -- on the way back up from the weekend which is typical. Come on Florida you can get to 10,000 new cases daily with 400 dead pretty easy. Tomorrow you will break the 500,000 case mark for sure, and will be over 7500. Heck, by this time next week we could easily be at 10,000 Floridians dead from covid.

I assume Florida is shooting for 1,000,000 cases by election day with 40,000 dead. I mean heck, right now the country is sitting at 160,000 dead -- that's more than were killed in every American military action, of any type of nature, since the end of WWII. So, add together Vietnam dead, Korea dead, Middle East dead, and everything else, and you are no where near the number of Americans who have died from covid just since February of this year.

Look dvmbass, there is NO STOPPING this virus. Infection mortality rate is plummeting. The health care system is not being over run. Not even close. Therapeutics are improving.

We are past the peak. Again, once that happens the virus burns out fairly rapidly and cases and deaths decline rapidly.

Now, once schools open...we will likely see an uptick in positive tests, LOTS and LOTS of asymptomatic cases....and the continued drop in infection mortality rate.

Keep the economy open. Don�t destroy healthy Floridians lives and their life�s work for what is looking more and more like overblown risk.

**Unregistered** · 08-05-2020, 02:06 PM

Originally posted by Unregistered View Post

What about these numbers? Should we shut the world down for these as well?

Heart disease: 647,457
Cancer: 599,108
Accidents (unintentional injuries): 169,936

Are you really that stupid?
Heart disease: Not Contagious
Cancer: Not Contagious
Accidents: Not Contagious

Every time I wonder how on earth the US could elect the worst leader in history, one of you idiots speaks up to remind that you make up 34% of the population.

Read a book. Watch news. Do something to educate yourself beyond a 3rd grade level.

**Unregistered** · 08-05-2020, 02:08 PM

Just accept the fact that millions will get it, probably close to 400k die when all said and done. Once you accept that fact, you can now access your risk and make your own decision. Just like I do every day when I drive to work and choose to put on my seat belt and try to drive defensively. Put on your mask, wash your hands, try to avoid giant crowds etc etc and move on with our lives.

**Unregistered** · 08-05-2020, 02:13 PM

Yo-Semite

"It is, what it is" MAGA = Failed Leadership

**Unregistered** · 08-05-2020, 02:15 PM

Originally posted by Unregistered View Post

New cases are plummeting. Deaths are basically flat and since they lag at least a couple weeks, they will be declining soon as well.

Desantis using the Sweden strategy and hopefully this will behind us in a few more weeks.

You can�t stop the virus from spreading, only delay the inevitable peak and recession. We will be done when it starts to move into the Midwest in next few weeks.

Sweden had nearly 10x the number of deaths of Norway, Denmark and Finland. Their economy actually suffered a greater downturn than that of its neighbors. Sweden handled this worse than anyone other than the US, where we have 4% of the global population, and 26% of it's deaths. Your ignorance and Trump's detachment from the reality of what a pandemic actually is, is the reason that 156,000 Americans are now dead.

**Unregistered** · 08-05-2020, 02:24 PM

Originally posted by Unregistered View Post

What about these numbers? Should we shut the world down for these as well?

Heart disease: 647,457
Cancer: 599,108
Accidents (unintentional injuries): 169,936

This comment is exactly why some people should be removed from the gene pool.

**Unregistered** · 08-05-2020, 02:38 PM

To all the liberal. How would you handle the covid 19 pandemic. Trump did it wrong.

**Unregistered** · 08-05-2020, 02:52 PM

Originally posted by Unregistered View Post

"It is, what it is" MAGA = Failed Leadership

Just not sure most people will get it!

**Unregistered** · 08-05-2020, 03:04 PM

Originally posted by Unregistered View Post

Sweden had nearly 10x the number of deaths of Norway, Denmark and Finland. Their economy actually suffered a greater downturn than that of its neighbors. Sweden handled this worse than anyone other than the US, where we have 4% of the global population, and 26% of it's deaths. Your ignorance and Trump's detachment from the reality of what a pandemic actually is, is the reason that 156,000 Americans are now dead.

Wrong. This is the a false narrative.

No lockdown. Much less economic damage as a function of GPD. And their daily cases are at a trickle. Single digits everyday.

Sweden is done. There will be no second wave.

Talk to me about Denmark, Finland, Norway, Spain, Italy in 6 months and they have their second wave. Deaths will be similar to Sweden.

**Unregistered** · 08-05-2020, 03:08 PM

The Logic of Lockdowns, As Stated by Advocates
The claim that forced lockdowns lead to fewer deaths has always been debatable. Some countries with harsh lockdowns, like Spain and the UK, have worse per capita death totals than countries and jurisdictions with no mandatory lockdowns, such as Sweden in Europe, and Utah and Iowa in the US.

But for the sake of argument, let's accept that lockdowns do help to slow�i.e., not prevent�the transmission of disease. (We'll ignore, for now, the deaths caused by lockdowns themselves.)

The logic therefore is this: a slowing of transmission prevents hospital resources from being overwhelmed. This, it is assumed a certain minimum level of quality can be maintained at medical institutions with the help of lockdowns. Thus, the best that can be hoped for is that some lives will be saved by ensuring hospital beds will continue to be available. But, over time, the total number of infections is the same because lockdowns do nothing to actually eliminate the disease.

Consequently, the number of lives saved is only the number of lives that would have been lost due to a lack of adequate hospital resources.

In the United States, this has, so far, been accomplished. No health system has yet been overwhelmed, and no hospital system has run out of ventilators. Any lives that might have been lost due to a lack of hospital beds have been preserved, whether through luck, lockdowns, or unknown circumstances.

But how many lives exactly have been saved, and exactly how many hospital systems would have been overwhelmed without mandated lockdowns? This is unknown and cannot be known because any number proffered for total "lives saved" requires counterfactuals. The idea that "millions of lives" have been saved by lockdowns in the US and Europe is pure theater. Moreover, any benefit that can be gained from lockdowns must be compared against increases of "deaths of despair," increased child abuse, and deaths due to neglected medical conditions as a result of lockdown policies. And then, of course, there is the fact lockdowns constitute human rights violations against the basic right to seek employment and income

**Unregistered** · 08-05-2020, 03:10 PM

Unfortunately for the experts, we've already seen the likely scenario that results from a policy of no mandatory lockdown: The case of Sweden. Sweden's total per capita death toll is by no means presently among the lowest. But Sweden has always maintained that over the long term, the total per capital death toll of COVID-19 will be similar across countries regardless of their lockdown policies. Even now, Sweden's death toll is better than that of the UK, Belgium, Spain, and Italy, all of which have enacted draconian lockdowns. In fact, the Swedish model looks increasingly prescient as time goes on. While the rest of Europe is talking about surges in cases and new lockdowns, the number of Swedish case continues to decline, while total ICU hospitalizations have plummeted. Meanwhile, Sweden was the only "the only major economy to grow in the first quarter of the year" while most of Europe was in economic disarray.