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    #31
    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
    Boo hoo. It affects a small number of kids ONCE for 3 months.
    and seniors with no spring team to play on

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      #32
      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
      Boo hoo. It affects a small number of kids ONCE for 3 months.
      You're probably a parent who doesn't want to see the "older" kids in your kid's grade (who have basically been playing up an age group since the change) come back and take her spot.

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        #33
        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
        and seniors with no spring team to play on
        No, that in fact has been solved with a combined age group. And there are many other reasons why U18 teams are hard to field and they have nothing to do with trapped kids.

        Every arbitrary year mandate screws somebody, there is no perfect cutoff. This is just how your kid is screwed for 3 months out of their whole lives.

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          #34
          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
          You're probably a parent who doesn't want to see the "older" kids in your kid's grade (who have basically been playing up an age group since the change) come back and take her spot.
          Funny that those older kids are often a grade up. So even in the "perfect" system there are many kids who are not in the same grade as their teammates.

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            #35
            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
            Funny that those older kids are often a grade up. So even in the "perfect" system there are many kids who are not in the same grade as their teammates.
            Not sure I get this comment. But going back to school year benefits the less serious players and younger players by leaving them with their peers. At a more advanced level, it puts all kids that will graduate in the same year together on one field which is preferable to college coaches for recruiting. I fail to see how birth year is helpful to anyone. In some ways, now that we are past the 8th grade garbage, it is good for my kid going to ID clinics as it shows that she has been playing with older kids when compared to the same birth year kids in a younger grade.

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              #36
              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
              What is the benefit of calendar year? Who does it benefit most?
              No one has answered these questions.

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                #37
                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                Boo hoo. It affects a small number of kids ONCE for 3 months.
                How is birth year good?

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                  #38
                  Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                  No one has answered these questions.
                  Exactly. Someone please explain the benefit of birth/calendar year.

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                    #39
                    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                    Funny that those older kids are often a grade up. So even in the "perfect" system there are many kids who are not in the same grade as their teammates.
                    False. Most school systems in MA will not allow any child to enter kindergarten unless the have turned 5 before September 1.

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                      #40
                      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                      False. Most school systems in MA will not allow any child to enter kindergarten unless the have turned 5 before September 1.
                      That is the cutoff for most states. A few have later dates but not many, I think less than 10 (CT has the latest with Dec 31st). So in most states it impacts 25-33% of kids. That isn't a small number. Big drops in youth soccer participation can't be solely attributed to this issue but I'm sure it has played a role (cost and travel are also issues). The kids who are good enough for DA or the NT the age thing doesn't matter to them.

                      https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/14/s...h-decline.html

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                        #41
                        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                        False. Most school systems in MA will not allow any child to enter kindergarten unless the have turned 5 before September 1.
                        Yup. I had a super bright kid with a September 8th bday. No go. She was bored out her mind the first few years. However, she was happy to be the first in her class to get her license lol

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                          #42
                          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                          Exactly. Someone please explain the benefit of birth/calendar year.
                          Here is U.S. Soccer’s reasoning for the switch to birth year.
                          https://www.ussoccer.com/stories/201...r-registration

                          They were trying to limit the developmental differences that they felt are greater within a grade than a calendar year. I’m sure they were probably trying to align U.S. programs with the rest of the world as well.

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                            #43
                            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                            Here is U.S. Soccer’s reasoning for the switch to birth year.
                            https://www.ussoccer.com/stories/201...r-registration

                            They were trying to limit the developmental differences that they felt are greater within a grade than a calendar year. I’m sure they were probably trying to align U.S. programs with the rest of the world as well.
                            That was their justification for trying to align our programs with the world soccer stage. RAE will affect every sport with age cutoffs. All they did was shift RAE. No way you can say that children from different grades are more developmentally similar than children in the same grade. IMHO

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                              #44
                              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                              No need to call you names, but prior poster is correct. This past fall the 04s (u15s) consisted of 9th graders born Jan - Aug, and 8th Graders born Sep - Dec. There is no fall club season once HS starts so the 8th graders are trapped. Can't play down, no teams to play up. Move forward a few years and you get situation where sophomores are playing on same team as juniors. Juniors can have conversations with College Coaches, Sophomores can't. Birth Year alignment is goofy except for NT and by extension DA. IMHO this is an east branding move for ECNL - Play HS, Optimized for Recruiting.
                              They are “trapped” playing fall HS soccer too because 9 times out of 10 it’s a step down competitively from club. HS soccer is a compromise between a few really good NPL/ECNL players and the majority of their less-skilled friends, 99% of whom will never play in college. The only reason the better players want to play HS is to be with their friends or fill out their soccer resume since some college coaches still value HS experience (or at least say they do). It’s “fun” soccer, but not really good soccer.

                              Also, why can’t the 8th grader’s play middle school soccer in the fall? Most middle or junior high schools offer fall soccer. At least it’s better than doing nothing.

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                                #45
                                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                                They are “trapped” playing fall HS soccer too because 9 times out of 10 it’s a step down competitively from club. HS soccer is a compromise between a few really good NPL/ECNL players and the majority of their less-skilled friends, 99% of whom will never play in college. The only reason the better players want to play HS is to be with their friends or fill out their soccer resume since some college coaches still value HS experience (or at least say they do). It’s “fun” soccer, but not really good soccer.

                                Also, why can’t the 8th grader’s play middle school soccer in the fall? Most middle or junior high schools offer fall soccer. At least it’s better than doing nothing.
                                "Most"...???? I think it's a very small %, at least in eastern Mass. Where do you live?

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