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Shoutout to the 06 girls for saving Oregon from utter and complete embarrassment in Arizona.

06 team with a +8 GD after first day.

Rest of Oregon with a -18 GD and no goals scored.

Kudos to the ODP/academy system for doing such a stellar job of preparing our girls to compete out of state.

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Shoutout to the 06 girls for saving Oregon from utter and complete embarrassment in Arizona.

06 team with a +8 GD after first day.

Rest of Oregon with a -18 GD and no goals scored.

Kudos to the ODP/academy system for doing such a stellar job of preparing our girls to compete out of state.

What is the overall record and GD for all Timbers/Thorns operated programs: Boys DA, Girls DA, ODP? Why do clubs continue to support this?

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What is the overall record and GD for all Timbers/Thorns operated programs: Boys DA, Girls DA, ODP? Why do clubs continue to support this?

Odp hasn’t been good in a long long time. Waste of time and money.

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Can ECNL girls do ODP?

Boys teams are basically the best players from Bend, Eugene, Medford, etc... With a few local players not in DA. Given that, I'm not surprised that in competition with refions where the B teams can compete with and beat our A teams, Oregon teams don't do very well.

Same story. Local kids travel, get waxed, and the usual suspects blame the coaching staff or the program for failing to overcome a shallow talent pool. Ignoring that winning the regional ODP tournament is not the point, and everyone in the program knows that.

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Results so far (https://usyouthsoccer.sportsaffinity...4AF&show=girls)

BU17: Oregon 7, S. Nevada 0
BU17: Oregon 2, Arizona 0
BU16: Utah 1, Oregon 0
BU16: Oregon 6, S. Nevada 1
BU15: Oregon 3, E. Washington 0
BU15: Oregon 3, Cal North 3
BU14: no scores posted yet
BU13: Oregon 1, Utah 1
BU12: Washington 4, Oregon 2
BU12: Hawaii 6, Oregon 3

GU17: Colorado 2, Oregon 0
GU17: Washington 3, Oregon 0
GU16: No Oregon team
GU15: S. Nevada 3, Oregon 0
GU14: Colorado 3, Oregon 0
GU13: Oregon 1, Cal North 1
GU13: Oregon 8, E. Washington 0
GU12: Washington 9, Oregon 0

Oregon boys doing well, especially at the HS ages. At the DA ages, not surprised that the DA takes a bigger bite out of the player pool than other regions (we've got 6 DA programs in a state of 4 million; CA has thirty-six programs but 10x the population), but even though Oregon is 0-1-2 so far in 05B and younger, only one of the results can be considered "bad", let alone embarassing.

Oregon girls doing not-so-well; though it is interesting (as noted above) that at Oregon's strongest age group for girls, we've no team entered. Having three "clubs" (Thorns, CU, and FC ECNL) that don't participate dramatically dilutes the talent pool, probably moreso here than other states; but I'm surprised that given GPS went to USYS nationals and competes mainly in the USYS platform, that no Oregon team was formed. Did MJ ban his players from doing ODP?

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Results so far (https://usyouthsoccer.sportsaffinity...4AF&show=girls)

BU17: Oregon 7, S. Nevada 0
BU17: Oregon 2, Arizona 0
BU16: Utah 1, Oregon 0
BU16: Oregon 6, S. Nevada 1
BU15: Oregon 3, E. Washington 0
BU15: Oregon 3, Cal North 3
BU14: no scores posted yet
BU13: Oregon 1, Utah 1
BU12: Washington 4, Oregon 2
BU12: Hawaii 6, Oregon 3

GU17: Colorado 2, Oregon 0
GU17: Washington 3, Oregon 0
GU16: No Oregon team
GU15: S. Nevada 3, Oregon 0
GU14: Colorado 3, Oregon 0
GU13: Oregon 1, Cal North 1
GU13: Oregon 8, E. Washington 0
GU12: Washington 9, Oregon 0

Oregon boys doing well, especially at the HS ages. At the DA ages, not surprised that the DA takes a bigger bite out of the player pool than other regions (we've got 6 DA programs in a state of 4 million; CA has thirty-six programs but 10x the population), but even though Oregon is 0-1-2 so far in 05B and younger, only one of the results can be considered "bad", let alone embarassing.

Oregon girls doing not-so-well; though it is interesting (as noted above) that at Oregon's strongest age group for girls, we've no team entered. Having three "clubs" (Thorns, CU, and FC ECNL) that don't participate dramatically dilutes the talent pool, probably moreso here than other states; but I'm surprised that given GPS went to USYS nationals and competes mainly in the USYS platform, that no Oregon team was formed. Did MJ ban his players from doing ODP?

Updated scores:

BU16: Oregon 6, S. Nevada 1
BU15: Oregon 4, S. Nevada 1
BU14: Cal North 4, Oregon 2
GU15: Utah 9, Oregon 1
GU12: Hawaii 2, Oregon 1

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ODP girls legitimately reflects how the girls da and Ecnl are from Oregon.

There is no difference.

Oregon girls soccer has always been third tier.

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Results so far (https://usyouthsoccer.sportsaffinity...4AF&show=girls)

BU17: Oregon 7, S. Nevada 0
BU17: Oregon 2, Arizona 0
BU16: Utah 1, Oregon 0
BU16: Oregon 6, S. Nevada 1
BU15: Oregon 3, E. Washington 0
BU15: Oregon 3, Cal North 3
BU14: no scores posted yet
BU13: Oregon 1, Utah 1
BU12: Washington 4, Oregon 2
BU12: Hawaii 6, Oregon 3

GU17: Colorado 2, Oregon 0
GU17: Washington 3, Oregon 0
GU16: No Oregon team
GU15: S. Nevada 3, Oregon 0
GU14: Colorado 3, Oregon 0
GU13: Oregon 1, Cal North 1
GU13: Oregon 8, E. Washington 0
GU12: Washington 9, Oregon 0

Oregon boys doing well, especially at the HS ages. At the DA ages, not surprised that the DA takes a bigger bite out of the player pool than other regions (we've got 6 DA programs in a state of 4 million; CA has thirty-six programs but 10x the population), but even though Oregon is 0-1-2 so far in 05B and younger, only one of the results can be considered "bad", let alone embarassing.

Oregon girls doing not-so-well; though it is interesting (as noted above) that at Oregon's strongest age group for girls, we've no team entered. Having three "clubs" (Thorns, CU, and FC ECNL) that don't participate dramatically dilutes the talent pool, probably moreso here than other states; but I'm surprised that given GPS went to USYS nationals and competes mainly in the USYS platform, that no Oregon team was formed. Did MJ ban his players from doing ODP?

Combined 02/03 team that has a couple of the weaker GPS players on it.

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Results so far (https://usyouthsoccer.sportsaffinity...4AF&show=girls)

BU17: Oregon 7, S. Nevada 0
BU17: Oregon 2, Arizona 0
BU16: Utah 1, Oregon 0
BU16: Oregon 6, S. Nevada 1
BU15: Oregon 3, E. Washington 0
BU15: Oregon 3, Cal North 3
BU14: no scores posted yet
BU13: Oregon 1, Utah 1
BU12: Washington 4, Oregon 2
BU12: Hawaii 6, Oregon 3

GU17: Colorado 2, Oregon 0
GU17: Washington 3, Oregon 0
GU16: No Oregon team
GU15: S. Nevada 3, Oregon 0
GU14: Colorado 3, Oregon 0
GU13: Oregon 1, Cal North 1
GU13: Oregon 8, E. Washington 0
GU12: Washington 9, Oregon 0

Oregon boys doing well, especially at the HS ages. At the DA ages, not surprised that the DA takes a bigger bite out of the player pool than other regions (we've got 6 DA programs in a state of 4 million; CA has thirty-six programs but 10x the population), but even though Oregon is 0-1-2 so far in 05B and younger, only one of the results can be considered "bad", let alone embarassing.

Oregon girls doing not-so-well; though it is interesting (as noted above) that at Oregon's strongest age group for girls, we've no team entered. Having three "clubs" (Thorns, CU, and FC ECNL) that don't participate dramatically dilutes the talent pool, probably moreso here than other states; but I'm surprised that given GPS went to USYS nationals and competes mainly in the USYS platform, that no Oregon team was formed. Did MJ ban his players from doing ODP?

10 Narcissistic Leadership Characteristics

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Narcissistic behavior involves dominance, hostility, and arrogance. This leadership style turns destructive when it is driven by the person’s need for power, and admiration and approval from others. However, healthy narcissistic behavior may also make good leadership qualities.

Here are some of the common traits of the narcissistic leader.

1. Lead with vision
In the positive spectrum of narcissistic leadership, the leaders understand the importance of having a vision that people believe in. These leaders are able to see the big picture, or rather, they see things that aren’t there yet, and attempt to create them.

2. Desire to be admired
Narcissistic leaders have a great yearning to be admired, and they usually tend to have a number of star-struck followers as well. Narcissists have a gift of attracting followers, and more often than not they do so with their highly developed verbal skills and articulation. The leaders are usually very skillful orators, and can deliver moving speeches. There is no dearth of charisma in a narcissistic leader.

3. Unable to take criticism
Narcissists are usually extremely sensitive, and this makes narcissistic leaders particularly sensitive to harsh criticism. They are unable take criticism constructively and brood over it endlessly. They cannot tolerate slights or dissenting opinions, and can be quite abrasive with those who dare voice a negative opinion.

4. Inability to listen
Narcissistic leaders are not good listeners, so don’t go talking to them about a vexing problem. This disinterest in listening presumably develops as a defense mechanism to keep them from acknowledging criticism. Narcissistic leaders also believe that subordinates do not have much to contribute, and their opinions need not be taken seriously.

5. Relationships
Healthy narcissistic behavior involves the real concern for other people, and this type of leader does not devalue the opinions and ideas of other people. On the other hand, leaders exhibiting destructive narcissistic behavior may not hesitate to devalue or humiliate others with no sense of remorse.

6. Consistency
If the leader has a healthy level of narcissism, they will have a set of values, the ability to follow a consistent path, and will usually follow through with plans. When narcissism turns destructive, you get a leader who has no values, is fickle and changes direction often, and is easily bored.

7. Empire building
A narcissistic leader wants to take over the world and create an empire. They want to leave behind a larger than life legacy, and therefore actively seeks to expand their sphere of influence, hire more subordinates, or increase their reach and authority within the organization. A narcissistic entrepreneur will keep building one company after another.

8. Lack of empathy
While they crave for empathy and understanding from others, narcissists themselves are not the most empathetic people. Some of the most charismatic and successful narcissists are not known for empathy. This lack of empathy can actually be a strength in times of chaos and radical change because they are not bogged down by feelings and emotions and the demands of their employees.

9. Competitive
And narcissistic leader is ruthlessly competitive. They are relentless in their pursuit of victory. They take games seriously, and see them as a test of their strength and survival skills. Since many narcissists are not high on conscience, they are quite capable of doing whatever it takes for a win.

10. Not good with mentoring
Since they lack empathy and are also extremely self-reliant, it is very difficult for a narcissistic leader to mentor somebody or be mentored. When they do mentor, they instruct rather than coach and try to make their protégés out to be smaller and paler versions of themselves.

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ODP girls legitimately reflects how the girls da and Ecnl are from Oregon.

There is no difference.

Oregon girls soccer has always been third tier.

I believe all of the ECNL players have dropped ODP. At least from CU.

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10 Narcissistic Leadership Characteristics

in the narcissistic leadership style, leaders are interested only in themselves and they prioritize their interests even to the detriment of others.

Narcissistic behavior involves dominance, hostility, and arrogance. This leadership style turns destructive when it is driven by the person’s need for power, and admiration and approval from others. However, healthy narcissistic behavior may also make good leadership qualities.

Here are some of the common traits of the narcissistic leader.

1. Lead with vision
In the positive spectrum of narcissistic leadership, the leaders understand the importance of having a vision that people believe in. These leaders are able to see the big picture, or rather, they see things that aren’t there yet, and attempt to create them.

2. Desire to be admired
Narcissistic leaders have a great yearning to be admired, and they usually tend to have a number of star-struck followers as well. Narcissists have a gift of attracting followers, and more often than not they do so with their highly developed verbal skills and articulation. The leaders are usually very skillful orators, and can deliver moving speeches. There is no dearth of charisma in a narcissistic leader.

3. Unable to take criticism
Narcissists are usually extremely sensitive, and this makes narcissistic leaders particularly sensitive to harsh criticism. They are unable take criticism constructively and brood over it endlessly. They cannot tolerate slights or dissenting opinions, and can be quite abrasive with those who dare voice a negative opinion.

4. Inability to listen
Narcissistic leaders are not good listeners, so don’t go talking to them about a vexing problem. This disinterest in listening presumably develops as a defense mechanism to keep them from acknowledging criticism. Narcissistic leaders also believe that subordinates do not have much to contribute, and their opinions need not be taken seriously.

5. Relationships
Healthy narcissistic behavior involves the real concern for other people, and this type of leader does not devalue the opinions and ideas of other people. On the other hand, leaders exhibiting destructive narcissistic behavior may not hesitate to devalue or humiliate others with no sense of remorse.

6. Consistency
If the leader has a healthy level of narcissism, they will have a set of values, the ability to follow a consistent path, and will usually follow through with plans. When narcissism turns destructive, you get a leader who has no values, is fickle and changes direction often, and is easily bored.

7. Empire building
A narcissistic leader wants to take over the world and create an empire. They want to leave behind a larger than life legacy, and therefore actively seeks to expand their sphere of influence, hire more subordinates, or increase their reach and authority within the organization. A narcissistic entrepreneur will keep building one company after another.

8. Lack of empathy
While they crave for empathy and understanding from others, narcissists themselves are not the most empathetic people. Some of the most charismatic and successful narcissists are not known for empathy. This lack of empathy can actually be a strength in times of chaos and radical change because they are not bogged down by feelings and emotions and the demands of their employees.

9. Competitive
And narcissistic leader is ruthlessly competitive. They are relentless in their pursuit of victory. They take games seriously, and see them as a test of their strength and survival skills. Since many narcissists are not high on conscience, they are quite capable of doing whatever it takes for a win.

10. Not good with mentoring
Since they lack empathy and are also extremely self-reliant, it is very difficult for a narcissistic leader to mentor somebody or be mentored. When they do mentor, they instruct rather than coach and try to make their protégés out to be smaller and paler versions of themselves.

Spot on, mate. These types of coaches diss other programs so they never get exposed.

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I believe all of the ECNL players have dropped ODP. At least from CU.

There's absolutely no reason for a player who plays in the ECNL league to do ODP. US Soccer has made it clear they won't call up girls for national team opportunities unless they play academy. The recruitment opportunities that ODP weekends like Arizona offer are no better than what girls get during ECNL events. USYS really outsmarted themselves on this one - making ODP not remotely worthwhile for ECNL players.

What is more concerning in Oregon is the top OYSA players opting out. The 02 team is missing at least a half dozen very good players from Vancouver, Salem, and Eugene - all who in theory could benefit from the recruitment opportunities ODP provides. This shows that among the target audience (non-academy and non-ECNL players), the top players don't see it as worth their time or money. This is why you have ODP teams with a few good players and then a bunch of filler.

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There's absolutely no reason for a player who plays in the ECNL league to do ODP. US Soccer has made it clear they won't call up girls for national team opportunities unless they play academy. The recruitment opportunities that ODP weekends like Arizona offer are no better than what girls get during ECNL events. USYS really outsmarted themselves on this one - making ODP not remotely worthwhile for ECNL players.

What is more concerning in Oregon is the top OYSA players opting out. The 02 team is missing at least a half dozen very good players from Vancouver, Salem, and Eugene - all who in theory could benefit from the recruitment opportunities ODP provides. This shows that among the target audience (non-academy and non-ECNL players), the top players don't see it as worth their time or money. This is why you have ODP teams with a few good players and then a bunch of filler.

you just made a a case that all club players regardless of the league their club elects to play (& are not in the DA) makes ODP not remotely worthwhile for any of them.

Is that what you intended? Because it's what you just wrote above.

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I believe all of the ECNL players have dropped ODP. At least from CU.

Wrong again. You are hilarious.

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you just made a a case that all club players regardless of the league their club elects to play (& are not in the DA) makes ODP not remotely worthwhile for any of them.

Is that what you intended? Because it's what you just wrote above.

I’ll try to simplify it for you.

GDA players: Banned from ODP.

ECNL players: ODP not worth it. US soccer won’t call them up for national team due to their pi**ing war with ECNL. ODP recruitment opportunities no better than ECNL. Any ECNL player still doing ODP is doing it for social reasons, for status reasons, or because they are following bad advice.

OYSA players: ODP worth it. Chance to play with and against “top” non ECNL and non GDA players. Extra recruitment opportunities.

The problem in Oregon is there are still many very good/excellent players in OYSA category 3. But many of them aren’t doing ODP. Salem’s 01 team is almost all 02’s and they could put 5-6 players on that team. Same with Vancouver’s 02 team. Same with Eugene’s 02 team. But these girls and their families don’t see the value in ODP. This should be very concerning for the people running ODP. They have made their product inaccessible or unnecessary for GDA and ECNL. And the rest don’t think it’s worth doing.