Julie Foudy says, “ play HS soccer”

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It is fake news. The poster has no idea what he’s talking about. I don’t care at all about the patch, but some clubs are chasing a mirage, intent on beating out other clubs at the expense of their members. Yes, I’m talking about the club that I valued for years: nefc.

Is nefc CNN or MSNBC?

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The underlying issue that I think she is addressing is way to many kids are treating like a business way too earlier and few of them actually have an actual cause to do do. The sad part is few, including most club coaches, but a Foudy really know what real soccer talent looks like nor how to develop it.

Oh, boohoo! These arent little, pre-pubescent girls that Foudy is taking GDA to task over! These are HS age women who have mostly been playing soccer for 8+ years. They are practically adults who can make their own decisions. If they want to go GDA and they have the skills to get on a GDA team, then they aren't your average player. They clearly have the goals set on NT or a pro career. If that is their goal, then they'll make a lot of sacrifices, the least of which is not playing HS soccer. Let the young women who can't make GDA go play HS soccer! Foudy has no idea what she's talking about.

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Last year, ECNL was the watered down mess. ECNL did create it. They caused the division because US Soccer wanted to help them run the show and ECNL wanted to run it themselves. Now, all the leagues are watered down.

Not fake news. The opposing posters are obviously ECNL invested. Remember you're in ECNL territory; you know kickball land. You won't realize it until you actually leave the area and try to play soccer. Then it will be obvious that you were never taught the basics other than chasing a ball kicked down the field with a bunch of people (parents and coaches) yelling go get it.

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Oh, boohoo! These arent little, pre-pubescent girls that Foudy is taking GDA to task over! These are HS age women who have mostly been playing soccer for 8+ years. They are practically adults who can make their own decisions. If they want to go GDA and they have the skills to get on a GDA team, then they aren't your average player. They clearly have the goals set on NT or a pro career. If that is their goal, then they'll make a lot of sacrifices, the least of which is not playing HS soccer. Let the young women who can't make GDA go play HS soccer! Foudy has no idea what she's talking about.

Problem is there aren't enough quality players to fill those GDA squads. USSF grossly over estimated demand. You own statement shows the absurdity of it all - at most 5% in GDA have any shot or ambitions for NT or pro. Really it's even less than that. There are far too many players in the system that shouldn't be. Same with coaches.

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Not fake news. The opposing posters are obviously ECNL invested. Remember you're in ECNL territory; you know kickball land. You won't realize it until you actually leave the area and try to play soccer. Then it will be obvious that you were never taught the basics other than chasing a ball kicked down the field with a bunch of people (parents and coaches) yelling go get it.

Go watch some GDA games. Just as terrible.

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Problem is there aren't enough quality players to fill those GDA squads. USSF grossly over estimated demand. You own statement shows the absurdity of it all - at most 5% in GDA have any shot or ambitions for NT or pro. Really it's even less than that. There are far too many players in the system that shouldn't be. Same with coaches.

10+ years ago on the boys side you heard the same whining about giving up HS soccer. But guess what? USSF kept pushing DA and since it holds the keys to who gets on NT, those squad spots filled up. Now 20 out of 21 players on the U-20 men's team went thru DA with most of them having 5 seasons of DA. These are early days on the girl's side with DA only being around a few years. You'll see folks come around when they see this is the only path to WNT the more USSF clamps down on who makes it in.

Your comment on only 5% will make it really isn't USSF or DA's fault. The clubs were quick to apply because to them any league is another money-making opportunity, but they didn't understand what they were getting into. That's why FC Stars and others pulled out. They didn't understand the level of commitment DA would require or that USSF would stick to their guns (unlike ECNL which is run by the clubs). The simple fact is that most clubs and leagues like ECNL do NOT produce world-class players on average. It is watered-down, push-and-shove kickball, not real soccer. Sadly, at the U-15 thru U-20 USWNT levels you can see how poor quality leagues like ECNL have produced players that cannot win against European and Asian teams at the WC.

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10+ years ago on the boys side you heard the same whining about giving up HS soccer. But guess what? USSF kept pushing DA and since it holds the keys to who gets on NT, those squad spots filled up. Now 20 out of 21 players on the U-20 men's team went thru DA with most of them having 5 seasons of DA. These are early days on the girl's side with DA only being around a few years. You'll see folks come around when they see this is the only path to WNT the more USSF clamps down on who makes it in.

Your comment on only 5% will make it really isn't USSF or DA's fault. The clubs were quick to apply because to them any league is another money-making opportunity, but they didn't understand what they were getting into. That's why FC Stars and others pulled out. They didn't understand the level of commitment DA would require or that USSF would stick to their guns (unlike ECNL which is run by the clubs). The simple fact is that most clubs and leagues like ECNL do NOT produce world-class players on average. It is watered-down, push-and-shove kickball, not real soccer. Sadly, at the U-15 thru U-20 USWNT levels you can see how poor quality leagues like ECNL have produced players that cannot win against European and Asian teams at the WC.

poor quality coaches with poor incentives produce what we see now on the world stage, not leagues. We need to get away from identifying quality with leagues. Quality resides within individuals. The ECNL and the GDA have tried to institutionalize it for commercial reasons. Dont fall for it.

the countries that are producing the bet youth talent now have top coaches interacting with motivated kids with the right incentives from early ages. We do not.

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poor quality coaches with poor incentives produce what we see now on the world stage, not leagues. We need to get away from identifying quality with leagues. Quality resides within individuals. The ECNL and the GDA have tried to institutionalize it for commercial reasons. Dont fall for it.

the countries that are producing the bet youth talent now have top coaches interacting with motivated kids with the right incentives from early ages. We do not.

And if USSF really wanted to develop top talent they wouldn't rely on clubs to do the heavy lifting, both in terms of finances and training. Some of the clubs in the league shouldn't even be there yet that's where NT level talent spends the most time.

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And if USSF really wanted to develop top talent they wouldn't rely on clubs to do the heavy lifting, both in terms of finances and training. Some of the clubs in the league shouldn't even be there yet that's where NT level talent spends the most time.

As you said, USSF is finding the players in these leagues, where they don't belong, so you can't fault them for looking there. On the girls' side (and slightly less on the boys'), there are no pro farm teams like you see in Europe and there is no socialized national system like you see in Asia. I'm not sure you'll see either system adopted by USSF so for the foreseeable future, we are stuck with this club/league situation. I agree not the best, but I don't see in changing soon.

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poor quality coaches with poor incentives produce what we see now on the world stage, not leagues. We need to get away from identifying quality with leagues. Quality resides within individuals. The ECNL and the GDA have tried to institutionalize it for commercial reasons. Dont fall for it.

the countries that are producing the bet youth talent now have top coaches interacting with motivated kids with the right incentives from early ages. We do not.

Complain about your own club. I’m pretty happy where we landed.

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Complain about your own club. I’m pretty happy where we landed.

Fair. But you have to acknowledge not all are.

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And if USSF really wanted to develop top talent they wouldn't rely on clubs to do the heavy lifting, both in terms of finances and training. Some of the clubs in the league shouldn't even be there yet that's where NT level talent spends the most time.

stop deflecting. stop trying top turn a soccer problem into GDA vs ECNL

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Complain about your own club. I’m pretty happy where we landed.

im not complaining about any club. the problem being discussed is real. you being happy where you are has ZERO to do with the systems ability to produce players. Your comment is enlightening. The US model is all about parents being happy where they landed. Developing better players is not a criteria

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stop deflecting. stop trying top turn a soccer problem into GDA vs ECNL

It has nothing to do with ECNL but everything to do with the flaws in the DA set up. Open your eyes.

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It has nothing to do with ECNL but everything to do with the flaws in the DA set up. Open your eyes.

wrong. it has everything to do with the way the game is perceived and taught here. That is not unique to any league. Shelve the agenda . Open your eyes.