This should be EYE OPENING

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Isnt Tyler Adams eligible for U20. Still has to prove himself for Leipzig

Nick Taitague and Zyen Jones were the others Schalke reference. I don’t believe that they have a lot of time, if any.

The two players you mentioned for Schalke have zero first team minutes.

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The two players you mentioned for Schalke have zero first team minutes.

Yeah. Thanks. Noted

Still speaks to Americans in Bundesliga

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The two players you mentioned for Schalke have zero first team minutes.

I don’t believe that they have a lot of time, IF ANY

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Where are US developed pros coming from

As of fall 2018, the top metro area producers of pros are 1. New York (93), 2. LA (77), 3. Chicago (38), 4. Washington (37), 5. Dallas (36).

No surprise there, really. The per-capita results are more interesting.


Among midsize metros (>1m, <2.5m), the top five, per-capita.

1. KC
2. Sacramento
3. Las Vegas
4. Raleigh
5. Austin

Bottom five:

26. Buffalo
27. Pittsburgh
28. Hartford
29. Nashville
30. Memphis (largest metro with 0 current male pros)

Among large metro areas (>2.5m), the best per-capita producers of male pros were:

1. Denver
2. San Diego
3. Saint Louis
4. Seattle
5. Washington

The bottom 5:

19. Miami
20. Phoenix
21. Boston
22. Detroit
23. Houston

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Where are US developed pros coming from

As of fall 2018, the top metro area producers of pros are 1. New York (93), 2. LA (77), 3. Chicago (38), 4. Washington (37), 5. Dallas (36).

No surprise there, really. The per-capita results are more interesting.


Among midsize metros (>1m, <2.5m), the top five, per-capita.

1. KC
2. Sacramento
3. Las Vegas
4. Raleigh
5. Austin

Bottom five:

26. Buffalo
27. Pittsburgh
28. Hartford
29. Nashville
30. Memphis (largest metro with 0 current male pros)

Among large metro areas (>2.5m), the best per-capita producers of male pros were:

1. Denver
2. San Diego
3. Saint Louis
4. Seattle
5. Washington

The bottom 5:

19. Miami
20. Phoenix
21. Boston
22. Detroit
23. Houston

Less than a <1Mm

Santa Maria-Santa Barbara, CA
Santa Rosa, CA
Harrisburg, PA
Lancaster, PA

In central PA there are 13 current pros from Harrisburg+Lancaster. There are 14 from Houston.

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The strongest correlation with going pro is having a father who is a soccer coach.

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Bayern offered Richards a 3-year deal with around $1.5 mil in total wages guaranteed. FCD gets a nice return on a player who's only been in their system since 2017

Bayern Munich have signed 18-year-old Chris Richards on a 4.5-year contract! The USYNT defender has been at Bayern on loan since last July.

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The problem with American soccer is that the MLS doesn’t want to pay for its talent. Sure, they’ll sell their talent to much fanfare, but they sure are t going to pay the Pittsburgh Riverhounds anything for a promising forward. They’ll just call the lower club an “affiliate” and pull up the talent for free. Or they’ll use the draft to restock. For free of course. The MLS is literally the worst thing that could happen to American soccer. As long as MLS refuses to pay for home grown talent, the “development clubs” will always be pay to play.

NFL, NBA, even NCAA lawyers would stop any lawsuit dead in its tracks. The MLS work around could be giving “donations” to those clubs but they but most barely want to fund their own Academies let so more money help fund local community out of good will is out of the question.

Player with EU passport leaves at 16-17 they also get bupkis.

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NFL, NBA, even NCAA lawyers would stop any lawsuit dead in its tracks. The MLS work around could be giving “donations” to those clubs but they but most barely want to fund their own Academies let so more money help fund local community out of good will is out of the question.

Player with EU passport leaves at 16-17 they also get bupkis.

Not that MLS dont want to pay for top talent, they are a minor league league and cant afford truly top talent. It's as if Mike Trout got a huge contract from Pawtucket and decided to stay THERE. A.) Pawtucket has no money and, more importantly, B.) There is a much bigger league out there for him to play in that does have boatloads of cash. MLS is merely a starting or stopping point.

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There's a discussion about this on the NY board. Salaries for the top few players on each MLS team are quite high but then there's a massive drop off from there. I saw one state that the top 3 salaries at several clubs account for 75% of the total salary bill. The new scrubs are getting $65-$80K; if they crack $150K they're doing better than most. International clubs don't have that degree of pay disparity. http://talking-soccer.com/TS4/showth...149079&page=13

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NFL, NBA, even NCAA lawyers would stop any lawsuit dead in its tracks. The MLS work around could be giving “donations” to those clubs but they but most barely want to fund their own Academies let so more money help fund local community out of good will is out of the question.

Player with EU passport leaves at 16-17 they also get bupkis.

Would you guys stop looking at anything through the American Sports lense!?! So short-sided and oddly arrogant.

-you only think you know...

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Would you guys stop looking at anything through the American Sports lense!?! So short-sided and oddly arrogant.

-you only think you know...

Here comes the twaaht again

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Would you guys stop looking at anything through the American Sports lense!?! So short-sided and oddly arrogant.

-you only think you know...

You know nothing -you only think you know...

-Ygritte

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Would you guys stop looking at anything through the American Sports lense!?! So short-sided and oddly arrogant.

-you only think you know...

Peeked from MA board to triangulate ECNL2 gossip, read this whole thread. Mr. YOTYK does deserve credit for starting a good conversation. good stuff. I strongly disagree that "crosses to your lumpy kid" wasn't a helpful post.

I will add only two thoughts for your discussion
1. "The American Sports lense" is the only lens we have.
Looking at European models and claiming US could follow and expect to succeed because we have a bigger population is akin to recommending India attempt to upstage the PGA Tour. We must operate within the cultural and economic reality of the world we live in.

2. This is an Economic argument, not a soccer quality argument
I think we all agree that US soccer lags Intl soccer quality. Where we disagree is on the economic model. In Europe there is huge money at the top, and it flows like Venture Capital where hundreds of little "start-up" players are incubated, accelerated and finally launched or re-sold with the expectations that 5% pop for 100X return. Transfer fees and Solidarity Payments are simply part of that model.

There is no money in the US at the top. We need to acknowledge that. Curling gets better television ratings during the Olympics. The money to be made on soccer in the US comes from the bottom. It comes from parents paying-to-play. Parents are the Payers in our system, and the payers have college dreams, and frankly, we like the fact that it is not fair and we are paying to differentiate our children.

The American System in the American Way is optimized for the goals of the PAYERS. I applaud you for pointing out that SPs represent a new income source that could shift the objectives, but this is a vicious cycle not likely to be broken. Our system is optimized for college player quality. In the meantime, the best path for American soccer players with bigger dreams is to do go to International, just as those players come to the US to play on the PGA tour.

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Here comes the twaaht again

Again, another unhelpful post.

-you only think you know...