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    #46
    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
    Thanks!

    Their soccer specific pages have some useful information too:

    http://www.ncsasports.org/recruiting...ing-guidelines

    http://www.ncsasports.org/recruiting...ing-guidelines

    So there seem to be a lot of these 'create a profile and get matched with college coaches' websites. How useful are they?
    Not very. My oldest registered with a few and got emails from obscure schools she had no interest in (Montana any one?). Players should first have a list of schools that are of interest and academically appropriate. There's loads of online sources to help with that along with their high school. Then look at the soccer. Is the level appropriate? (See above. It's a pretty good guide). Where do players come from? (If it's from top clubs then the lower level players that are the subject of this thread should keep moving). GK should see how many they have and who is graduating (most will be bringing in 5-8 field players). If the program is running any ID events the info will usually be there (usually "Additional Information "). Contact the coach with a video and bio. Ask if they're having any events or if they are going to any group ones. If you're going to visit the school ask for a meeting.

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      #47
      Originally posted by Unregistered
      Not very. My oldest registered with a few and got emails from obscure schools she had no interest in (Montana any one?). Players should first have a list of schools that are of interest and academically appropriate. There's loads of online sources to help with that along with their high school. Then look at the soccer. Is the level appropriate? (See above. It's a pretty good guide). Where do players come from? (If it's from top clubs then the lower level players that are the subject of this thread should keep moving). GK should see how many they have and who is graduating (most will be bringing in 5-8 field players). If the program is running any ID events the info will usually be there (usually "Additional Information "). Contact the coach with a video and bio. Ask if they're having any events or if they are going to any group ones. If you're going to visit the school ask for a meeting.
      Be careful about giving too much cred to ODP. BBA pushed it for a long time, but the quality is much lower than other ID events. NTCs have become watered down.

      Talk to your club. They will help you out.

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        #48
        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
        Be careful about giving too much cred to ODP. BBA pushed it for a long time, but the quality is much lower than other ID events. NTCs have become watered down.

        Talk to your club. They will help you out.
        Didn't mention ODP in my post but agree with it's declining relevance

        In this case the coach/club is seeking advice to guide players. He isn't from a big club with recruiting experience. Some clubs are good at guiding players, others offer little help at all. In the end the players/families do most of the heavy lifting anyway - contacting coaches, visiting schools, playing hard at events.

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          #49
          Be careful about giving too much cred to ODP. BBA pushed it for a long time, but the quality is much lower than other ID events. NTCs have become watered down.

          Talk to your club. They will help you out.
          Didn't mention ODP in my post but agree with it's declining relevance

          In this case the coach/club is seeking advice to guide players. He isn't from a big club with recruiting experience. Some clubs are good at guiding players, others offer little help at all. In the end the players/families do most of the heavy lifting anyway - contacting coaches, visiting schools, playing hard at events.
          There are two parts to the equation. One is being able to stand out in the midst of a group of similar players. The other is having a resume that documents accomplishment. ODP isn't perfect by a long stretch but you under cut its importance as it relates to these two issues. Let's face it, now more so than ever because its so watered down, if your kid can't stand out in ODP then you really have to question where the both of you are heading with soccer. Presuming though that they are capable of standing out in other venues you still have the resume problem. What are you going to put on that paper to show their accomplishment during the middle school years which is when the whole recruiting process is really starting now?

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            #50
            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
            There are two parts to the equation. One is being able to stand out in the midst of a group of similar players. The other is having a resume that documents accomplishment. ODP isn't perfect by a long stretch but you under cut its importance as it relates to these two issues. Let's face it, now more so than ever because its so watered down, if your kid can't stand out in ODP then you really have to question where the both of you are heading with soccer. Presuming though that they are capable of standing out in other venues you still have the resume problem. What are you going to put on that paper to show their accomplishment during the middle school years which is when the whole recruiting process is really starting now?
            Have another pizza.

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              #51
              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
              There are two parts to the equation. One is being able to stand out in the midst of a group of similar players. The other is having a resume that documents accomplishment. ODP isn't perfect by a long stretch but you under cut its importance as it relates to these two issues. Let's face it, now more so than ever because its so watered down, if your kid can't stand out in ODP then you really have to question where the both of you are heading with soccer. Presuming though that they are capable of standing out in other venues you still have the resume problem. What are you going to put on that paper to show their accomplishment during the middle school years which is when the whole recruiting process is really starting now?
              8th grade recruiting is for female studs. For all the rest the timetable is longer and even more so for the boys.

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                #52
                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                8th grade recruiting is for female studs. For all the rest the timetable is longer and even more so for the boys.
                Are you saying girls get recruited at age 13 and boys get recruited... younger or older?

                13 sounds awfully young for college recruiting.

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                  #53
                  Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                  8th grade recruiting is for female studs. For all the rest the timetable is longer and even more so for the boys.
                  Very true but you need to accept that there are actually players out there who do have the beginnings of quite impressive resumes starting at 12-13. Whether or not that describes your own kid is actually irrelevant. What you need to recognize is that that is who is setting the bar and that other kids further down the pipeline are being judged according to their resumes.

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                    #54
                    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                    More like..

                    Top 25 Div 1
                    U17-20 US Youth National Team Players
                    Top tier US ODP Regional Team Players
                    Top tier Development Academy Players
                    USC High School All Americans
                    Gatorade Player of Year Type Players

                    Upper Div 1 - Mid Div 1
                    U15 US Youth National Pool Players
                    Mid Tier US ODP Regional Pool Players
                    Mid Tier Development Academy Players
                    Top 25% of Top Ranked Club Team Roster Type Players
                    State Wide High School All-State Type Players

                    Lower Div 1 - Upper Div 2
                    Bubble Tier US ODP Regional Team Players
                    Bubble Tier Development Academy Players
                    Next 50% of Top Ranked Club Team Roster Type Players
                    4 year High School starters
                    High School All-Conference Players Type Players

                    Lower Div 2 - Upper Div 3
                    Bottom 25% of Top Ranked Club Team Roster Type Players
                    Top 50% of Average B/C Club Team Roster Type Players
                    2 year High School starters
                    High School All-Conference Honorable Mention Type Players

                    Mid Div 3 Junior College
                    Bottom 50% of Average B/C Club Team Roster Type Players
                    2 year High School starters
                    Team specific honors
                    When it comes to what sort of resume lands players where, this isn't all that far off. The thing that many parents don't seem to recognize is that players aren't getting those top shelf accolades that send them to top tier soccer programs just based on the recognition they earn in their Jr and Sr years. Its more like a lifetime achievement award.

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                      #55
                      Honestly your best bet is to join GPS.

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                        #56
                        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                        Are you saying girls get recruited at age 13 and boys get recruited... younger or older?

                        13 sounds awfully young for college recruiting.
                        The only girls getting verbal offers for college commitment at 13 are NT prospects, and honestly it has been shown that early commitments often don't pan out, but they certainly make headlines. Most top girls start their college search/contacts at 14 and 15 and many D1's are committed by 16 with D2/3 coming a little later. Boys don't really start the process until 15-16.

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                          #57
                          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                          The only girls getting verbal offers for college commitment at 13 are NT prospects, and honestly it has been shown that early commitments often don't pan out, but they certainly make headlines. Most top girls start their college search/contacts at 14 and 15 and many D1's are committed by 16 with D2/3 coming a little later. Boys don't really start the process until 15-16.
                          Don't often pan out? Aside from MA can't think of another NT level talent that transferred. There aren't really "commitments" at D3, more like giving a girl a friendship ring.

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                            #58
                            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                            Are you saying girls get recruited at age 13 and boys get recruited... younger or older?

                            13 sounds awfully young for college recruiting.
                            It is and it happens rarely, but is on the uptick. Girls are mostly wrapped up end of sophomore year, boys end of junior year. There are outliers on both sides - stronger players younger, weaker ones later. Some male senior boys are still in process but few girls will pretty much be done at this point.

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                              #59
                              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                              It is and it happens rarely, but is on the uptick. Girls are mostly wrapped up end of sophomore year, boys end of junior year. There are outliers on both sides - stronger players younger, weaker ones later. Some male senior boys are still in process but few girls will pretty much be done at this point.
                              At that age are the offers/acceptances informal, verbal and non-binding? Or binding?

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                                #60
                                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                                At that age are the offers/acceptances informal, verbal and non-binding? Or binding?
                                Everything is non binding until the senior year when you sign the NLI. That doesn't mean that commitments are always weak. A lot comes down to whether or not you are in a sellers or beggars position. Doesn't matter the level because one level's bench player is another's stud. Comes down to actually projecting where you will have the most impact. You are in the sellers position when you are the top 2-3 prospects in the recruiting class and the coach is planning for you to be an impact stud. Those players will know how the coach feels because their offer will be significant. The beggars are at the other end of the spectrum. Coaches typically look at them as low risk options that are a dime a dozen. If anyone gets burned in the commitment game its the beggars.

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