Up North: Reign FC rips WYS a new one

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I'm old enough to remember when 30k was a living wage.

Why is it that so many people like to look at their fellow human beings and say, "Dayum. That a-hole deserves a pay cut." And people do this even if they are making three times as much, and aren't contributing to the other person's salary.

All the public services I consume (or might consume)--coaches, teachers, cops, firefighters, DMV clerks, even the waitstaff down at the local bar and grill--the lot of 'em make too much damn money. They all should be paid peanuts, and be in eternal fear of losing their jobs if they screw up or piss me off, and be grateful for these scraps, so I can live a life of bliss and never be inconvenienced by hard choices.

Good lord.

It is all economics supply and demand.

People that complain about the quality of coaching also complain that we pay the coaches too much.

Obviously we are not paying coaches enough if we are not attracting the talent.

Similarly, if you are Intel and Nike, you shouldn't complain about the quality of the schools if corporately you are trying to avoid Washington County taxes.

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I'm old enough to remember when 30k was a living wage.

Why is it that so many people like to look at their fellow human beings and say, "Dayum. That a-hole deserves a pay cut." And people do this even if they are making three times as much, and aren't contributing to the other person's salary.

All the public services I consume (or might consume)--coaches, teachers, cops, firefighters, DMV clerks, even the waitstaff down at the local bar and grill--the lot of 'em make too much damn money. They all should be paid peanuts, and be in eternal fear of losing their jobs if they screw up or piss me off, and be grateful for these scraps, so I can live a life of bliss and never be inconvenienced by hard choices.

Good lord.

Good Lord when did coaching recreational/almost competitive level kids become a pathway to a living wage? with a cap of 15 hrs of attendance by an adult on the 'job'. I'm sorry this has nothing to do with that A hole deserves a pay cut. Far from it.

These people need to get real jobs and then give back to the communities they live in.

Pay it forward.

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It is all economics supply and demand.
People that complain about the quality of coaching also complain that we pay the coaches too much.Obviously we are not paying coaches enough if we are not attracting the talent.
Similarly, if you are Intel and Nike, you shouldn't complain about the quality of the schools if corporately you are trying to avoid Washington County taxes.

No it's more like the housing bubble of 2006-08.

Today's it's Inflated pay for low value coaches..

Throwing more money at will give you the bubble burst..

It's gunna go BOOM! very soon. can't wait.

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Not in Oregon

True, only happens in Hillsboro (FCP), Beaverton (THUSC/CU), Portland (United PDX), LO & West Linn.

It's not all over Oregon for sure.

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No it's more like the housing bubble of 2006-08.

Today's it's Inflated pay for low value coaches..

Throwing more money at will give you the bubble burst..

It's gunna go BOOM! very soon. can't wait.

How is it going to burst if you end up paying coaches more money?

If coaches can actually make a living, maybe more will be professional coaches and you quit complaining about low value coaches.

The housing bubble burst in 2008. What is the house value now relative to 2008?

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Good Lord when did coaching recreational/almost competitive level kids become a pathway to a living wage? with a cap of 15 hrs of attendance by an adult on the 'job'. I'm sorry this has nothing to do with that A hole deserves a pay cut. Far from it.

These people need to get real jobs and then give back to the communities they live in.

Pay it forward.

What is a "real job?"

Is this lifestyle disapproval, or a simple complaint about club fees?

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How is it going to burst if you end up paying coaches more money?

If coaches can actually make a living, maybe more will be professional coaches and you quit complaining about low value coaches.

The housing bubble burst in 2008. What is the house value now relative to 2008?

Seriously you need help on this? Right now the entire rec/classic landscape is it's at a tipping point with the cost for participation being astronomical for rec/classic level play.

If clubs Raise the fees (& pay coaches more) customers aren't going to pay, the cost doesn't match the value, and it all blows up.

If you are a high quality coach that's in demand you have professional platforms in college and the growing professional level that will hire you. The local neighborhood club is not a professional path for any coach.

The market burst in 2008 because housing valuations were inflated (just like rec/classic coaches pay today).

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What is a "real job?"

Is this lifestyle disapproval, or a simple complaint about club fees?

Its a way to change the subject on Peregrine's involvement in youth. Folks complains about them taking off the top; their apologists want to complain about the guy barely making minimum wage coaching my kids.

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What is a "real job?"

Is this lifestyle disapproval, or a simple complaint about club fees?

Coaching a couple youth classic/rec neighborhood teams is called a hobby in one's free time away from a 'real job'.

Is this seriously a question?

The select 5th grade baseball coach who draws fro the same geographic footprint as the local soccer club has a day job and then works with the kids in the afternoons for no pay.

Why would the 5th grade neighborhood select soccer team require a 10k salary?

Because it might be year round? I could buy part of that logic.

Which has nothing to do with the quality of coaching, just a function of time spent.
But many of the select baseball coaches are year round as well.

It's simply become a monetized scheme catering to youth, many of who will never even play Varsity in HS.

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The problem isn't the coaches making money. It is the directors. Some of those guys are making six figures. A couple make close to a quarter of a million.

There is another problem with guys with accents that come over for an easy pay check. Live in America, act like a coach and impress some moms on the board. Hit the pub with

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Seriously you need help on this? Right now the entire rec/classic landscape is it's at a tipping point with the cost for participation being astronomical for rec/classic level play.

If clubs Raise the fees (& pay coaches more) customers aren't going to pay, the cost doesn't match the value, and it all blows up.

If you are a high quality coach that's in demand you have professional platforms in college and the growing professional level that will hire you. The local neighborhood club is not a professional path for any coach.

The market burst in 2008 because housing valuations were inflated (just like rec/classic coaches pay today).

Are you seriously that cheap? The cost at the rec/classic level is barely anything. Those coaches make $600 a month per team.

I don't think any one gives a crap about that level of coaching.

Most are complaining of coaching at the ECNL or DA level.

There are only a few decent soccer paying jobs in Oregon. As it is now, if you are in high demand, you will end up some place other than Oregon unless you find a DOC job.

At the ECNL or DA level, the amount you pay into coaching is pretty small relative to the travel and other cost. You have a roster of 18. $400 more per player is insignificant to each player, but is significant to the coach.

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2 Teams pays 25K to 30K at quite a few clubs and you are working with teams that aren't even relevant in our diluted state association.

Without any oversight the sky is the limit on what they should paid.

2 fall teams + 2 HS aged team winter teams gets you in the 40K to 60k range.

Seriously.

$12-15K/Team? Ha! Maybe in the Seattle market. In this market, experienced club coaches get anywhere from $5-8K per team for, let's say, an A team playing in OYSA.

The only coaches locally seeing anything above $10K per team are ECNL, DA, or TA ...

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$12-15K/Team? Ha! Maybe in the Seattle market. In this market, experienced club coaches get anywhere from $5-8K per team for, let's say, an A team playing in OYSA.

The only coaches locally seeing anything above $10K per team are ECNL, DA, or TA ...

If you only knew.