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    #16
    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
    Here's the thing.

    The existence of pro academies is a relatively new thing in the youth soccer landscape. Some clubs and directors are OK with it--others view them as a threat to their clubs, for various reasons. Some clubs recognize that a TRUE pro academy (one that offers compensated training and a professional environment) isn't really "competition" but something else entirely; others seem to think that pro academies should be held to the same rules and regulations as nonprofit amateur youth clubs.

    And of course, some pro academies are "academies" in name only.

    The Timbers are a true academy, albeit barely. They offer mostly free training to elite players, and for a pay-to-play club to whine about a pro team "poaching" its players is obnoxious. Once the season ends, they're not yours--and one could argue that no player EVER "belongs" to a pay-to-play club; the dollars flow in the wrong direction for that to happen.

    Thorns, at this point, are an academy-in-name-only. As long as families bear the brunt of the costs, it's essentially a pay-to-play club.

    My understanding is that a similar situation applies north of the Columbia--the Sounders academy is one of the better ones in MLS (and local clubs STILL whine about it), but Reign FC (which is separate from the Sounders, not a sister team like the Thorns are to the Timbers) does charge more.

    Of course, Reign doesn't compete in WYS leagues, so there's really no reason for it to adhere to WYS rules, other than playing nice.

    But neither side seems to think there's a reason to play nice--unfortunately the whole ECNL vs GDA business is involved here, and any club affiliated with ECNL is generally expected to not cooperate with any GDA program. So even if no local politics were involved, the well is probably poisoned for that reason.
    Thorns DA cover about 60% of the total cost.

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      #17
      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
      Thorns DA cover about 60% of the total cost.
      For now because they have to. There is no money in it for them so this will end soon.

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        #18
        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
        Thorns DA cover about 60% of the total cost.
        Why not 100%?

        Timbers Academy has produced two players signed to first-team contracts (Farfan and Langsdorf). Both currently spend most of their time with T2, and haven't managed to break into the first team.

        Thorns hasn't yet produced any first-team players... but it's not like the Timbers Academy is significantly more productive.

        Most of the whining from the neighborhood clubs would vanish--or at least become pointless sniping--were this to occur.

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          #19
          Many neighborhood clubs heavily subsidize families who cannot afford . . .

          they don't use that as an excuse as to why they shouldn't follow the rules or good business practices.

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            #20
            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
            Many neighborhood clubs heavily subsidize families who cannot afford . . .

            they don't use that as an excuse as to why they shouldn't follow the rules or good business practices.
            Everyone needs access to recreational soccer provided at the neighborhood non profit soccer clubs. It's part of their mission to provide the opportunity to play for all interested , they aren't built or able to provide the standard of a pro youth or adult club. Obviously.

            Apples and Oranges topic;
            Pro MLS/NWSL DA vs USYS/US Club local member club.

            Pro vs Amateur

            Paid to Play vs Pay to Play

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              #21
              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
              Why not 100%?

              Timbers Academy has produced two players signed to first-team contracts (Farfan and Langsdorf). Both currently spend most of their time with T2, and haven't managed to break into the first team.

              Thorns hasn't yet produced any first-team players... but it's not like the Timbers Academy is significantly more productive.

              Most of the whining from the neighborhood clubs would vanish--or at least become pointless sniping--were this to occur.
              Are those two players legit MLS players or just a PR exercise for the hometown fans?

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                #22
                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                Everyone needs access to recreational soccer provided at the neighborhood non profit soccer clubs. It's part of their mission to provide the opportunity to play for all interested , they aren't built or able to provide the standard of a pro youth or adult club. Obviously.

                Apples and Oranges topic;
                Pro MLS/NWSL DA vs USYS/US Club local member club.

                Pro vs Amateur

                Paid to Play vs Pay to Play
                Except Thorns is pay-to-play, administered by a neighborhood non profit soccer club, using some of the same staff that is paid to provide services to OYSA (on behalf of non profit soccer clubs).

                Some level of business ethics isn't too much to ask.

                Sorry you sold out.

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                  #23
                  Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                  Except Thorns is pay-to-play, administered by a neighborhood non profit soccer club, using some of the same staff that is paid to provide services to OYSA (on behalf of non profit soccer clubs).

                  Some level of business ethics isn't too much to ask.

                  Sorry you sold out.
                  NWSL Thorns DA & the MLS Timbers are heavily subsidized by Peregrine LLC. That is the are covering most if not all of the costs of the selected players. Both Boys & Girls academy members.

                  Low information types who rely on hearsay, gossip & conjure up elaborate conspiracy plots provide a hilarious read on Mother's Day. Appreciated.

                  The More You Know!

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                    #24
                    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                    NWSL Thorns DA & the MLS Timbers are heavily subsidized by Peregrine LLC. That is the are covering most if not all of the costs of the selected players. Both Boys & Girls academy members.

                    Low information types who rely on hearsay, gossip & conjure up elaborate conspiracy plots provide a hilarious read on Mother's Day. Appreciated.

                    The More You Know!
                    “Covering most if not all of the cost” = $4000 plus out of pocket per year. That’s some fuzzy math!

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                      #25
                      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                      “Covering most if not all of the cost” = $4000 plus out of pocket per year. That’s some fuzzy math!
                      Not to mention WST runs the Thorns academy. It is no different than any other club running this “professional” academy... lol.... The more you know.

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                        #26
                        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                        For instance, in his email of May 4, 2019, Seattle United coach Rich Reece made the following statement when replying to WYS and a group of RCL coaches and administrators:

                        “At some stage do we recommend our members don’t support their pro team until they show they are a club that wants to work in the community and work alongside other clubs in Washington to better the youth landscape.”

                        Subsequent to this suggestion from Mr. Reece, Paul Bayly forwarded a note to from Terry Fisher to its member clubs that stated:

                        “Good afternoon. Earlier today I instructed staff to remove all reference to Reign FC from our website. No logo, no ticket sales, no promotion. This suspension shall remain in effect until further notice.”


                        It looks to me like the Reign are the one's whining. If they are not a member of WYS then why are they expecting the WYS continue to support them?? You can't have it both ways. Not be a member so you are not bound by their rules, but then expect these clubs to work along side you so you can go poach their players.

                        Good for WYS for standing up to the Reign.
                        Seattle United is ECNL. As another poster pointed out, nothing objective is going to come out of an ECNL club. They are in a battle to be the top league nationwide and losing. The top 25 teams in the country at every age group are GDA teams. Yeah a few are migrating back, and a few new teams are being added to GDA, but ECNL has become the second tier. And I agree with repeated posts that good players can be found at all levels, that’s true, I’m just talking generally. In WA, Reign and Xfire Premier GDA are the best teams by far. Just look at how the WA ECNL clubs are faring against Oregon teams since GDA began. It will be interesting to see what happens with Xfire Pr once they return their top team to ECNL. The club is returning but that doesn’t mean all their players are. But I’d guess they return to their dominance of NW ECNL, and then parents will complain how the competition isn’t sufficient and they should move back to ECNL. Here in Oregon, the talent is definitely spread around. Most people figured it would take a few years for the dust to settle and that is proving true. But in every state with GDA and ECNL, the top teams are in GDA, so outside the NW, this battle is over.
                        As for whining, I don’t understand your claim that the Reign are the ones whining. They are quite clearly stating that the market will decide who survives, and also demands the clubs refrain from defamation.

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                          #27
                          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                          Not to mention WST runs the Thorns academy. It is no different than any other club running this “professional” academy... lol.... The more you know.
                          Just continuous lying. WST administrative staff perform some administrative tasks for the Thorns, the Thorns academy and coaching staff are under the Timbers/Thorns DA /GDA programs. They have their own director, coaches, fields, etc.

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                            #28
                            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                            Just continuous lying. WST administrative staff perform some administrative tasks for the Thorns, the Thorns academy and coaching staff are under the Timbers/Thorns DA /GDA programs. They have their own director, coaches, fields, etc.
                            That is a loose interpretation of the truth...

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                              #29
                              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                              That is a loose interpretation of the truth...
                              No, it’s not. Saying Thorns is run by WST and not clarifying you are talking about administrative tasks and not the soccer itself is intentionally trying to mislead folks.

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                                #30
                                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                                No, it’s not. Saying Thorns is run by WST and not clarifying you are talking about administrative tasks and not the soccer itself is intentionally trying to mislead folks.
                                Wrong!

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