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    #31
    OYSA was formed to serve it's membership. Not compete with them.

    This is a lawsuit/injunction waiting to happen and could possibly lead to the dissolution of the OYSA, which would solve the whole Timbers contract fiasco and give birth to a fresh start for our corrupted state.

    Sorry you can't see the inherent conflict of interest between the OYSA and it's paying non-proftit membership.

    I have no dog in this craap show.




    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
    Horse manure. There are plenty of leagues around. If you don't want to play in OYSA's league, then don't. If a club or a group of clubs wants to run their own and keep the money, go ahead.

    But there are many clubs around who don't run leagues--either they are too small, or don't have enough fields, or whatever. OYSA's league fills a need.



    Why should clubs get to fundraise, but the state association not get to do so? Especially if the state association is having financial troubles?



    Except OYSA has been running leagues for a very long time. As do many other state associations. This is perfectly normal, so quit trying to pretend otherwise. Besides, the clubs that are whining about this are generally the ones who have been trying to kill off/replace OYSA for years. A lot of OYSA's difficulties are directly related to the west hills clubs and their little OPL power play a few years back. So spare me your sanctimonious crocodile tears. OYSA has the rights to run leagues if it wishes, and it has no duty (moral, ethical, or legal) to refrain from running leagues, camps, tournaments, or other soccer activities just because some club might view that activity as competition.

    We're not stupid. We know what this is all about.

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      #32
      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
      Horse manure. There are plenty of leagues around. If you don't want to play in OYSA's league, then don't. If a club or a group of clubs wants to run their own and keep the money, go ahead.But there are many clubs around who don't run leagues--either they are too small, or don't have enough fields, or whatever. OYSA's league fills a need.Why should clubs get to fundraise, but the state association not get to do so? Especially if the state association is having financial troubles? Except OYSA has been running leagues for a very long time. As do many other state associations. This is perfectly normal, so quit trying to pretend otherwise. Besides, the clubs that are whining about this are generally the ones who have been trying to kill off/replace OYSA for years. A lot of OYSA's difficulties are directly related to the west hills clubs and their little OPL power play a few years back. So spare me your sanctimonious crocodile tears. OYSA has the rights to run leagues if it wishes, and it has no duty (moral, ethical, or legal) to refrain from running leagues, camps, tournaments, or other soccer activities just because some club might view that activity as competition.We're not stupid. We know what this is all about.
      You are blending the Timbers business enterprise with USYS affilatiate non profit OYSA, which is understandable. Especially given your lack of knowledge regarding non-profit associations and what they can and can't do to their membership. The OYSA needs the clubs, not the other way around. No clubs, No OYSA.

      Biting off the hands that sustain and feed you under the non-profit sphere is problematic.

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        #33
        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
        Is it just me or is this Portland Timber's thing bothering anybody else?
        Taking the Oregon soccer and just ruining it and even the Big team can't figure them selfs out.
        Yep pretty much

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          #34
          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
          All they have done is brand nearly anything associated with youat soccer in Oregon as ‘Timbers’ ;camps, ODP, RTC, Leagues, Cups, Academies & Clubs.

          The camps are still just daycare endeavors held at local club fields using summer interns and soccer enthusiats as coaches. Nothing different than 40 years of camps in our market.

          ODP under the ‘Timbers’ banner has some of the worst coaching staff volunteers and players in the history of the state.

          RTC is a Timbers invention and it resembles their daycare Camp product with Staffing and relevance. Simply no tangible or substantive reason to create this bottom rung of group training on the path to nowhere. Outside of a mailing list to solicit all things Timbers for sale.

          OYSA ‘Competitive’ Leagues have grown under the Timbers branding but this is a coincidence of timing with more clubs/Teams being formed and no line of demarcation or standard implemented to create a cutoff for participation. It’s a sea of mediocre club teams playing in recreational leagues calling themselves competitive teams. In addition to the traditional leagues they created the OYSA/Timbers money grab events each spring and fall at Delta Park for 7, 8 & 9 year olds is truly shameful. The trickle down effect is the minions at local rec clubs are modeling this disaster at other venues in the fall and spring.

          Cups with the Timber branding, seriously a Founders cup? was created by the Timbers which is a glorified rec tournament. The President’s Cup and State Cup are still around but nothing has changed to make them better ,as these events have their relevance dimished with RTC/ODP and Fall and Spring leagues play dates, that only allows only a 4 week window to squeeze in ‘playoffs. The meat of the entire structure competitive youth soccer ‘playoffs’ is not even an appetizer on the menu.

          The one area the Timbers have a chance to make a difference and a improvement to the local landscape is their autonomous MLS & NWSL Youth Academies. Instead they hire local wanna be’s coaches as low rent staff, remove local players by the dozen each year from the program since they don’t make the grade of becoming future Timbers/Thorn and hire an ousted big city MLS youth Academy,director to run this craaap show, for boys so his kid can have a team a play for. The girls academy has no director and it’s left to be run by the 2 former OYSA flunkies who run OYSA operations under the shell of the Timbers Brand. This cycle is repeated year after year and is not able to reset.

          Clubs have co-branded with the Timbers in naming rights, with an Imganiary alliance which is truly hysterical if you peel back the Timbers sticker, they are still the same product they have always been, now watered down by the removal of their best players to the Timbers/Thorns DA programs.

          Somehow folks fail to recognize the leadership of the OYSA prior to the Timbers takeover is still in place (MS & EL) under the watchful eye of GW instead of a a 60K member families.

          Yes, this is Great and better than ever. God Bless the OPL right?

          There is no leadership in OYSA. President and CEO are a joke. Baker and Clouter are dinosaurs and are a huge part of the problem. Both need to go. Look at how many open spots there are now on the board. Get some soccer people in there.

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            #35
            Oregon soccer

            I have to say that as an outsider just trying to get to grips with OYSA. You guys are so far behind the rest of the west coast. With so many great players here and only seeing the play to pay players making the Timbers academy, and then for the timbers to look at talent away from the area. You have to see that the mommy boy players just aren't good enough. Thing is that you know with the multi cultural heritage here that there are players that if the scouts at the timbers academy did their job you wouldn't have to bring in boys from Florida. Get rid of pay to play. Do that and you will see me players from the area given a fair shout.

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              #36
              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
              I have to say that as an outsider just trying to get to grips with OYSA. You guys are so far behind the rest of the west coast. With so many great players here and only seeing the play to pay players making the Timbers academy, and then for the timbers to look at talent away from the area. You have to see that the mommy boy players just aren't good enough. Thing is that you know with the multi cultural heritage here that there are players that if the scouts at the timbers academy did their job you wouldn't have to bring in boys from Florida. Get rid of pay to play. Do that and you will see me players from the area given a fair shout.
              How do you get rid of pay-to-play?

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                #37
                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                There is no leadership in OYSA. President and CEO are a joke. Baker and Clouter are dinosaurs and are a huge part of the problem. Both need to go. Look at how many open spots there are now on the board. Get some soccer people in there.
                Baker has been underwhelming so far- still better than the other guy. Cheering for Roberta . . . but they still both wear Timber glasses.

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                  #38
                  Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                  I have to say that as an outsider just trying to get to grips with OYSA. You guys are so far behind the rest of the west coast. With so many great players here and only seeing the play to pay players making the Timbers academy, and then for the timbers to look at talent away from the area. You have to see that the mommy boy players just aren't good enough. Thing is that you know with the multi cultural heritage here that there are players that if the scouts at the timbers academy did their job you wouldn't have to bring in boys from Florida. Get rid of pay to play. Do that and you will see me players from the area given a fair shout.
                  Boys DA is only 500$/year and scholarships are available. Can't get much better than that.

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                    #39
                    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                    How do you get rid of pay-to-play?
                    Free field rentals

                    No cost to light the field

                    Coaches coach for free

                    Referees will work for free

                    Insurance companies insure club for free

                    Uniforms are donated

                    If your team travels then airlines, van rentals, hotel, and restaurants provide their service to your team for free

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                      #40
                      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                      Boys DA is only 500$/year and scholarships are available. Can't get much better than that.
                      That is mandated by the MLS and not because the Timbers want to support youth soccer.

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                        #41
                        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                        That is mandated by the MLS and not because the Timbers want to support youth soccer.
                        Portland only had 3 commits. What happened to all the rest?

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                          #42
                          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                          Portland only had 3 commits. What happened to all the rest?
                          Fc Portland is finding out that their practice of taking everyone's club hoppers and claiming they are their products and trying to sell failing Ecnl isn't working anymore.

                          The thorns are doing the same thing and trying to say it was DA

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                            #43
                            Oregon soccer? Well, it sucks. Why any decent college would offer a spot to an Oregon player is beyond ludicrous.

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                              #44
                              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                              Oregon soccer? Well, it sucks. Why any decent college would offer a spot to an Oregon player is beyond ludicrous.
                              In a nutshell i agree. Thorns and their mediocre performance in a mediocre league made it glaringly obvious imo. Thorns used to at least have a name that looked good on a resume. Now colleges can reference year-long league results and no Oregon ECNL trailed behind Crossfire Premier like Thorns are except for one age year.

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                                #45
                                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                                In a nutshell i agree. Thorns and their mediocre performance in a mediocre league made it glaringly obvious imo. Thorns used to at least have a name that looked good on a resume. Now colleges can reference year-long league results and no Oregon ECNL trailed behind Crossfire Premier like Thorns are except for one age year.
                                Look at last year's Crossfire Oregon ECNL results and league standings.

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