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    #16
    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
    You are not actually correct because there are many more players from Mass that are playing soccer professionally either domestically or overseas. If your child has upper level D1 potential it absolutely is a legitimate option for them and the money is better than you state. Just because you yourself don't value that experience or want it for your child, don't assume that others don't or that pursuing that upper D1 level experience is not something that others find attractive. Contrary to what you seem to believe, that "experience" itself could actually lead to a very fulfilling career so please quit trying to minimize the options that are out there just so you can justify your warped little views of the world.
    You are missing the point of what many are saying. College needs to be about the education first. Again, even if they are that good and have the potential of going pro, what happens if they have a career ending injury and didn't make college education a priority? I think we all know the answer to that

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      #17
      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
      You are missing the point of what many are saying. College needs to be about the education first. Again, even if they are that good and have the potential of going pro, what happens if they have a career ending injury and didn't make college education a priority? I think we all know the answer to that
      No doubt about the need for having the education at all but you all are inverting a huge part of the equation. The intensity and commitment are just different at the D1/2 levels because the academic/athletics equation is reversed. At those levels it is definitely athletics before academics. Make no mistake at those levels playing a sport is a job so you really do need to factor those athletic aspects very heavily into the college selection process. Picking a college at either the D1/2 level is more of a job search than a college search and what you are functionally doing with the education at those levels is setting up solid a plan "B". At the D3 level the academics DO come first and no one should really be looking at soccer as their plan "B" so why would anyone put as much emphasis on the soccer as you are? No one is saying kids shouldn't play soccer in college, just that it shouldn't be disproportionately weighed in the decision at this level.

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        #18
        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
        No doubt about the need for having the education at all but you all are inverting a huge part of the equation. The intensity and commitment are just different at the D1/2 levels because the academic/athletics equation is reversed. At those levels it is definitely athletics before academics. Make no mistake at those levels playing a sport is a job so you really do need to factor those athletic aspects very heavily into the college selection process. Picking a college at either the D1/2 level is more of a job search than a college search and what you are functionally doing with the education at those levels is setting up solid a plan "B". At the D3 level the academics DO come first and no one should really be looking at soccer as their plan "B" so why would anyone put as much emphasis on the soccer as you are? No one is saying kids shouldn't play soccer in college, just that it shouldn't be disproportionately weighed in the decision at this level.
        Your head is either in the sand or up your a...

        Anyone who has been around 16-18 year old club soccer players knows that for many players the soccer fit is a large portion of the college calculation. This is true for D3 as well as D1 schools. Someone who is in the mix at Middlebury may be able to also be in the mix for Tufts or Bowdoin.

        The OP asked for info on the women's NESCAC coaches, not to hear you spout about how D3 should only be about the education.

        Grow up already.

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          #19
          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
          Your head is either in the sand or up your a...

          Anyone who has been around 16-18 year old club soccer players knows that for many players the soccer fit is a large portion of the college calculation. This is true for D3 as well as D1 schools. Someone who is in the mix at Middlebury may be able to also be in the mix for Tufts or Bowdoin.

          The OP asked for info on the women's NESCAC coaches, not to hear you spout about how D3 should only be about the education.

          Grow up already.
          Here is what the OP wrote.

          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
          Looking at 3 NESCAC schools and is a 2016. Two schools really like her and there was talk of getting early read and going ED. She also is looking at two other schools (1 A nescac AND THE OTHER a newmac) . She has mixed opinions of all four coaches. One coach shows interest via club coach and two others send emails that are general and refer as if they are responding to emails she has sent to them (which she hasn't). She can't figure out the last coach at all which is tough because that's her #2 school.
          Any comments on NESCAC women's coaches out there? [b]Who is good and who to stay clear of?[b]
          As has been written, anyone who would "stay clear" of a school at this level because of the soccer coach is a foolish. Pick the school for the academics and it's overall fit with your child. If the soccer coach is a putz then the girl simply shouldn't play soccer, don't cross the school off her list.

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            #20
            But....... Soccer becomes a player's social life too. At least for the first couple of semesters. So it IS a big deal to an 18 year old as they transition from home life to college life.

            If you play soccer you aren't joining a sorority (of course not at D1, but why not at a D3?). At Trinity the coach told a player that if she wanted to join a sorority then she couldn't be on the team.

            At NESCACS there are 2 to 3 overnights each season taking a player away from campus in the fall of their freshman year. In reality not a big deal, but a big deal to a new Freshman. D1 is lot more intense, but there are still consequences in D3 if the experience is not what was expected. Coaches play a big part in the experience, so it is important. Especially if you have a couple of options - why not go for the one where the coach is better?

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              #21
              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
              But....... Soccer becomes a player's social life too. At least for the first couple of semesters. So it IS a big deal to an 18 year old as they transition from home life to college life.

              If you play soccer you aren't joining a sorority (of course not at D1, but why not at a D3?). At Trinity the coach told a player that if she wanted to join a sorority then she couldn't be on the team.

              At NESCACS there are 2 to 3 overnights each season taking a player away from campus in the fall of their freshman year. In reality not a big deal, but a big deal to a new Freshman. D1 is lot more intense, but there are still consequences in D3 if the experience is not what was expected. Coaches play a big part in the experience, so it is important. Especially if you have a couple of options - why not go for the one where the coach is better?
              All things being equal sure, but keep in mind 1) the coach could leave tomorrow. Replacement could be a nightmare 2) the kid could get cut, injured, etc. Plenty of college players aren't even playing by junior year for multiple reasons.

              I'm not the OP but I agree 100% that the focus should always be on the best academic and social fit (outside of soccer - if you're kid can't make friends without a sport then I'd be worried about other issues). The only exception would be the very rare pro-bound player. But that doesn't fit the description of 99% of college players. If you can play soccer with a team/coach you like, great. But if that goes away for some reason then you really better like the school. Sometimes compromises have to be made.

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                #22
                Soccer is clearly important to the student so don't let someone else tell you it shouldn't be. There are plenty of D3 players with much more playing time than D1 counterparts so who really cares if the train less. Great soccer experiences to be had at D3 schools. Kid is wise to compare what's important to him/her.

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                  #23
                  Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                  But....... Soccer becomes a player's social life too. At least for the first couple of semesters. So it IS a big deal to an 18 year old as they transition from home life to college life.

                  If you play soccer you aren't joining a sorority (of course not at D1, but why not at a D3?). At Trinity the coach told a player that if she wanted to join a sorority then she couldn't be on the team.

                  At NESCACS there are 2 to 3 overnights each season taking a player away from campus in the fall of their freshman year. In reality not a big deal, but a big deal to a new Freshman. D1 is lot more intense, but there are still consequences in D3 if the experience is not what was expected. Coaches play a big part in the experience, so it is important. Especially if you have a couple of options - why not go for the one where the coach is better?
                  Don't see where anyone wrote that soccer shouldn't be a part of the equation, just not such a big a part of the equation that you would actually walk away from a school because of it.

                  The real message here is to not read too much into what that Trinity coach said to your daughter. If your daughter really wants to be in a sorority then she should be in a sorority. She should absolutely take advantage of everything that Trinity has to offer the student body there. That is what being a college student is all about. What that Trinity coach IS telling your daughter is that she shouldn't plan to also play soccer at Trinity because the coach frowns on them. What your daughter shouldn't do is walk away from Trinity if that is a school she really likes and sees as a good fit academically just because the coach there wants a higher level of commitment than is reasonable for the level of soccer. What she should do is go there and just skip playing soccer at Trinity.

                  You seem to be making a common mistake, thinking that all D3 colleges put the same emphasis on their sports that the D1/2 level does and because of that you are apparently wiling to let your child pass up what may be a tremendous opportunity in life. At those upper levels playing a sport is a job and an athlete doesn't really have al that much choice in their life (though I've never heard of a coach banning sororities/fraternities -- drinking??). The D3 level is supposed to be about the balance and I think you will find that most of the colleges strike it very nicely. I think most of their administrators would actually cringe if they thought you were passing up their education because of an extra curricular activity.

                  At the D3 level everything about the sports scene is voluntary. Coaches just do not have the level of control in an athlete's life that you seem to think. They may have team rules around such things as drinking but off that field they just don't have the impact they do at the other levels. If you don't want to work out, you don't work out. The penalty is the coach lectures you and maybe runs you a little harder in practice. Maybe they even cut your time a little bit but that is the worse they can do. If you don't like that you quit the soccer team and pick up some extra time in your schedule. What you have to realize is that the coaches know this and manage themselves accordingly. If they press too hard they could lose the whole team.

                  I think you will find that even if the coach at Trinity frowns on sororities that they are pretty powerless to stop your daughter from joining one. The bottom line advice is to take the soccer out of the equation and let your daughter pick the school that fits the best for her. Once that decision is made, then have her decide if she wants to play soccer there or not.

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                    #24
                    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                    But....... Soccer becomes a player's social life too. At least for the first couple of semesters. So it IS a big deal to an 18 year old as they transition from home life to college life.

                    If you play soccer you aren't joining a sorority (of course not at D1, but why not at a D3?). At Trinity the coach told a player that if she wanted to join a sorority then she couldn't be on the team.

                    At NESCACS there are 2 to 3 overnights each season taking a player away from campus in the fall of their freshman year. In reality not a big deal, but a big deal to a new Freshman. D1 is lot more intense, but there are still consequences in D3 if the experience is not what was expected. Coaches play a big part in the experience, so it is important. Especially if you have a couple of options - why not go for the one where the coach is better?
                    This is a future Perspective. This guy will still be here pontificating about college choices years after he is a granddad. :)

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                      #25
                      No, he's missing the necessary vileness to be a Perspective.

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                        #26
                        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                        Soccer is clearly important to the student so don't let someone else tell you it shouldn't be. There are plenty of D3 players with much more playing time than D1 counterparts so who really cares if the train less. Great soccer experiences to be had at D3 schools. Kid is wise to compare what's important to him/her.
                        Wow, what a loaded post. Translation. If your kid can't play soccer have them drop down to D3 so they can feel like a great soccer player. This is nothing more than the pick the "B" team so you can play more mentality. It is a rec soccer way of looking at things. Posts like this are what fuels all of the D1/D3 bashing here. You have to wonder if they are really serious or if this was just put here to get a rise out the delusional ones.

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                          #27
                          [QUOTE=Unregistered;1404058]Wow, what a loaded post. Translation. If your kid can't play soccer have them drop down to D3 so they can feel like a great soccer player. This is nothing more than the pick the "B" team so you can play more mentality. It is a rec soccer way of looking at things. Posts like this are what fuels all of the D1/D3 bashing here. You have to wonder if they are really serious or if this was just put here to get a rise out the


                          I don't know what's more appalling - your arrogance or your ignorance.

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                            #28
                            [QUOTE=Unregistered;1404097]
                            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                            Wow, what a loaded post. Translation. If your kid can't play soccer have them drop down to D3 so they can feel like a great soccer player. This is nothing more than the pick the "B" team so you can play more mentality. It is a rec soccer way of looking at things. Posts like this are what fuels all of the D1/D3 bashing here. You have to wonder if they are really serious or if this was just put here to get a rise out the


                            I don't know what's more appalling - your arrogance or your ignorance.
                            jump fishy, jump!!

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                              #29
                              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                              Your head is either in the sand or up your a...

                              Anyone who has been around 16-18 year old club soccer players knows that for many players the soccer fit is a large portion of the college calculation. This is true for D3 as well as D1 schools. Someone who is in the mix at Middlebury may be able to also be in the mix for Tufts or Bowdoin.

                              The OP asked for info on the women's NESCAC coaches, not to hear you spout about how D3 should only be about the education.

                              Grow up already.
                              Thank you. Yes, we would have preferred hearing talk about NESCAC coaches! I am the OP and see nothing wrong with doing homework about coaches and their respective programs. Of course the academics come first! If my kid can get in and play at three NESCAC schools, and at least one NEWMAC school, why criticize that we are researching coaches? We hear about the screwball coaches all the time and would not want to play for one.
                              D3 soccer is still a part of the overall college experience, and regardless of it's level of importance in the grand picture of higher education, it is still a piece that you may have some control over when making a college choice.
                              For example, Williams is a great school, and to our knowledge, has a good program with a good coach and staff. To the contrary, Colby has a poor program, has struggled for years behind the same coach of 20 years. Most other teams are somewhere in the middle, and some are consistently on top. Some have new coaches, like Conn, and there is good chatter about him. We have heard negative talk about Whiting at Tufts, and mixed on some others.
                              Just looking for a few opinions, and many of you out there have one on these programs and coaches. I'm one of you, and just looking for opinions to help my kid out. Muchas gracias

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                                #30
                                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                                Don't see where anyone wrote that soccer shouldn't be a part of the equation, just not such a big a part of the equation that you would actually walk away from a school because of it.

                                The real message here is to not read too much into what that Trinity coach said to your daughter. If your daughter really wants to be in a sorority then she should be in a sorority. She should absolutely take advantage of everything that Trinity has to offer the student body there. That is what being a college student is all about. What that Trinity coach IS telling your daughter is that she shouldn't plan to also play soccer at Trinity because the coach frowns on them. What your daughter shouldn't do is walk away from Trinity if that is a school she really likes and sees as a good fit academically just because the coach there wants a higher level of commitment than is reasonable for the level of soccer. What she should do is go there and just skip playing soccer at Trinity.

                                You seem to be making a common mistake, thinking that all D3 colleges put the same emphasis on their sports that the D1/2 level does and because of that you are apparently wiling to let your child pass up what may be a tremendous opportunity in life. At those upper levels playing a sport is a job and an athlete doesn't really have al that much choice in their life (though I've never heard of a coach banning sororities/fraternities -- drinking??). The D3 level is supposed to be about the balance and I think you will find that most of the colleges strike it very nicely. I think most of their administrators would actually cringe if they thought you were passing up their education because of an extra curricular activity.

                                At the D3 level everything about the sports scene is voluntary. Coaches just do not have the level of control in an athlete's life that you seem to think. They may have team rules around such things as drinking but off that field they just don't have the impact they do at the other levels. If you don't want to work out, you don't work out. The penalty is the coach lectures you and maybe runs you a little harder in practice. Maybe they even cut your time a little bit but that is the worse they can do. If you don't like that you quit the soccer team and pick up some extra time in your schedule. What you have to realize is that the coaches know this and manage themselves accordingly. If they press too hard they could lose the whole team.

                                I think you will find that even if the coach at Trinity frowns on sororities that they are pretty powerless to stop your daughter from joining one. The bottom line advice is to take the soccer out of the equation and let your daughter pick the school that fits the best for her. Once that decision is made, then have her decide if she wants to play soccer there or not.
                                Actually the Trinity coach told the former NESCAC Freshman player of the year that she couldn't join a sorority. Then when she pushed back and the AD got involved (this is not a not a Trinity policy), the coaches made it clear that she would be cut if she came out for the team and did not give up the sorority - she moved on and Trinity is having a tough year this year. Not just the loss of one player, but the overall atmosphere.

                                Speaking of which, another thing to look at is attrition. How many kids quit before Jr or SR year.

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