What right do you have to expect your club coach to call college coaches?

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My daughter's club coach acted as a middleman between the college coaches and my daughter. She sent out the initial e-mails with her coach's contact information and if they were interested they contacted her club coach. We never expected him to do the majority of the work though.

One should never expect a club coach to do much of any work. Sure some will be a huge help, but many will not. Besides, they are less familiar with your child's academic abilities and fit with a school. That is where school counselors and campus visits, etc. are important. Academic fit should always be the top priority.

Also, consider the coach - if a college coach isn't familiar with yours or your club, is your coach a good communicator? We had a coach last year who was fantastic, but hadn't been in the US very long (and thus wouldn't have strong college ties yet) and his written English was awful.

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I will add that I absolutely would use a club coach to call a college coach and try to get a honest assessment from the college coach if you think the college coach may be stringing your kid along. Sometime you need an answer and the college coach may be more willing to give a bottom line assessment to your kid's club coach.

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I will add that I absolutely would use a club coach to call a college coach and try to get a honest assessment from the college coach if you think the college coach may be stringing your kid along. Sometime you need an answer and the college coach may be more willing to give a bottom line assessment to your kid's club coach.

Agreed. If and when one finds oneself in that situation the above is a scenario when enlisting a club coach might make sense. Is there an allegation that certain clubs would refuse to do this? Otherwise, I don't even want my club coach picking what schools my kid should look at. The coach can give us ideas about levels, but the very parents who might need that are the ones in the most denial. That's not a club or club coach issue. That's a parent/kid not listening. You can't go through the while thing, over several years, and not see signs and signals all over the place, unless you are just investing in not seeing them. Again, not a coach or club issue.

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The problem is not the club coach but the outdated recruiting system that the NCAA uses. Either they should allow college coaches to talk to Freshman and older or to not start recruiting until their Junior year. This crap of using a club coach as some sort of mediator is stupid.

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One should never expect a club coach to do much of any work. Sure some will be a huge help, but many will not. Besides, they are less familiar with your child's academic abilities and fit with a school. That is where school counselors and campus visits, etc. are important. Academic fit should always be the top priority.

Also, consider the coach - if a college coach isn't familiar with yours or your club, is your coach a good communicator? We had a coach last year who was fantastic, but hadn't been in the US very long (and thus wouldn't have strong college ties yet) and his written English was awful.

If you have a child that is a serious college prospect, at the high school stage of the game why are they playing for a coach who can't help them with the college process? That would be just as bad as a ULittle playing for a coach who didn't teach them technical skills.

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Agreed. If and when one finds oneself in that situation the above is a scenario when enlisting a club coach might make sense. Is there an allegation that certain clubs would refuse to do this? Otherwise, I don't even want my club coach picking what schools my kid should look at. The coach can give us ideas about levels, but the very parents who might need that are the ones in the most denial. That's not a club or club coach issue. That's a parent/kid not listening. You can't go through the while thing, over several years, and not see signs and signals all over the place, unless you are just investing in not seeing them. Again, not a coach or club issue.

Spot on. Why are we making a federal case out of this? Does anyone think this has any relation to all the other threads being bumped to smack the Stars around?

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Spot on. Why are we making a federal case out of this? Does anyone think this has any relation to all the other threads being bumped to smack the Stars around?

Only if you believe that they don't right by their players and are embarrassed by it otherwise this is just a philosophical discussion about what are realistic expectations for a club's involvement in a family's march towards college. You make it like they have something to hide, do they?

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Only if you believe that they don't right by their players and are embarrassed by it otherwise this is just a philosophical discussion about what are realistic expectations for a club's involvement in a family's march towards college. You make it like they have something to hide, do they?

Nothing to hide that I am aware of. Seems like just another wild goose chase, completely connected to the other 4 wild goose chases with the same target currently going. Do you have some specific evidence to provide? Anything in deposition form? Or is this like the 9th grader who quit HS soccer and it was all Stars' fault een though turns out she never existed (but MIGHT exist some day in the future just as some day there will be condos on Mars).

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Agreed. If and when one finds oneself in that situation the above is a scenario when enlisting a club coach might make sense. Is there an allegation that certain clubs would refuse to do this? Otherwise, I don't even want my club coach picking what schools my kid should look at. The coach can give us ideas about levels, but the very parents who might need that are the ones in the most denial. That's not a club or club coach issue. That's a parent/kid not listening. You can't go through the while thing, over several years, and not see signs and signals all over the place, unless you are just investing in not seeing them. Again, not a coach or club issue.

College admissions/recruiting is pretty big deal in this part of the country and it has spawned an entire cottage industry of consultants who charge money to help families negotiate through it all. This idea that everyone is equally equipped to do it on their own is a fallacy that only adds confusion to what is already a confusing enough process.

The simple fact here is that club coaches are now semi-professional coaches that get paid to lend their expertise towards mentoring players through their sports career. College is usually one of the primary goals behind participation in club sports and so now a big part of the job description for a club coach IS lending their expertise to that process.

A quality club coach, by virtue of being on the job for any length of time, develops an ability to project a college bound player's path simply by comparing it to the careers of all of the players they have worked with in their past. Some club coaches have literally observed hundreds, if not thousands, of players go through their individual recruiting processes and as a result have a wealth of expertise to lend. To expect that a family shouldn't be able to tap into that is pretty ridiculous.

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College admissions/recruiting is pretty big deal in this part of the country and it has spawned an entire cottage industry of consultants who charge money to help families negotiate through it all. This idea that everyone is equally equipped to do it on their own is a fallacy that only adds confusion to what is already a confusing enough process.

The simple fact here is that club coaches are now semi-professional coaches that get paid to lend their expertise towards mentoring players through their sports career. College is usually one of the primary goals behind participation in club sports and so now a big part of the job description for a club coach IS lending their expertise to that process.

A quality club coach, by virtue of being on the job for any length of time, develops an ability to project a college bound player's path simply by comparing it to the careers of all of the players they have worked with in their past. Some club coaches have literally observed hundreds, if not thousands, of players go through their individual recruiting processes and as a result have a wealth of expertise to lend. To expect that a family shouldn't be able to tap into that is pretty ridiculous.

Thanks BTDT. Have you had a could go through the Stars program and not be helped? Still waiting to hear how NEFC played such a critical role in the Duke recruitment. My guess is that you would even let the club coach talk to college coaches unless you were right there standing next to him to monitor every word.

Start a new thread. After all, 10 minutes have passed since the last one.

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Nothing to hide that I am aware of. Seems like just another wild goose chase, completely connected to the other 4 wild goose chases with the same target currently going. Do you have some specific evidence to provide? Anything in deposition form? Or is this like the 9th grader who quit HS soccer and it was all Stars' fault een though turns out she never existed (but MIGHT exist some day in the future just as some day there will be condos on Mars).

The amusing thing about your point of view is how hostile you are to ANY other message that doesn't neatly line up with what the Stars messages are. It is fine for the Stars to use talking-soccer and social media to spread their messages (ie no high school soccer) but if another club tries to spread a different message (NEFC's philosophy on recruiting) then you see it is a direct attack on the Stars and go to great lengths to shout it down. The reality here is this thread is just a DIFFERENT message and the other clubs have every right to spread theirs as the Stars do. Believe it or not the world of youth soccer doesn't start and end with the Stars. The Stars people can do what the heck they want, but they are not the largest club in the state at this point and the way that they do business is not what the majority of club soccer families in this state are apparently looking for other wise they WOULD be the largest. Time for a few of you to get off your high horses and accept that there is information other clubs want to get out to the soccer families in the state and that they have a right to do it. In other words STFU!!

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One should never expect a club coach to do much of any work. Sure some will be a huge help, but many will not. Besides, they are less familiar with your child's academic abilities and fit with a school. That is where school counselors and campus visits, etc. are important. Academic fit should always be the top priority.

Also, consider the coach - if a college coach isn't familiar with yours or your club, is your coach a good communicator? We had a coach last year who was fantastic, but hadn't been in the US very long (and thus wouldn't have strong college ties yet) and his written English was awful.

Whoa, whoa, WHY? If you are spending a bloody fortune and committing untold family energy on elite soccer why are you supposed to just drop that pursuit and focus on the academic fit? Not saying school isn't important but this advice presumes that soccer isn't the primary driver and if soccer isn't the primary driver why is everyone going crazy with elite soccer?

This is like saying a family sends their kid to a high priced prep school and doesn't expect the guidance councilors there to help them get into an elite college.

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The amusing thing about your point of view is how hostile you are to ANY other message that doesn't neatly line up with what the Stars messages are. It is fine for the Stars to use talking-soccer and social media to spread their messages (ie no high school soccer) but if another club tries to spread a different message (NEFC's philosophy on recruiting) then you see it is a direct attack on the Stars and go to great lengths to shout it down. The reality here is this thread is just a DIFFERENT message and the other clubs have every right to spread theirs as the Stars do. Believe it or not the world of youth soccer doesn't start and end with the Stars. The Stars people can do what the heck they want, but they are not the largest club in the state at this point and the way that they do business is not what the majority of club soccer families in this state are apparently looking for other wise they WOULD be the largest. Time for a few of you to get off your high horses and accept that there is information other clubs want to get out to the soccer families in the state and that they have a right to do it. In other words STFU!!

No, BTDT, you STFU. If Stars are so insignificant why do you spend your entire awake adult life focused on them. WHy don't you tell us about the NEFC recruiting philosophy instead of just providing a link about that and then going on or 50 pages in 5 different threads about Stars. And all we get are YOUR versions (not slanted, right?) about what Stars do for recruiting, and with respect to anything else for that matter. I haven't seen the Stars regularly doing anything on TS. But given youe little speech above it makes no sense why you can't get through a day with Stars being the only thing you think about.

And is just coincidence that it's you still posting all over the place? No concern about BTDT's activity, Mr. "Pathfinder"?

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If you have a child that is a serious college prospect, at the high school stage of the game why are they playing for a coach who can't help them with the college process? That would be just as bad as a ULittle playing for a coach who didn't teach them technical skills.

op here - coach is amazing and our player has really improved. I believe that is an important part of the job description. There are other coaches in the club who can assist with college questions as they have plenty of experience.

Regardless, you can't rely on others to do the heavy lifting for you. Coaches can help guide you to the appropriate soccer programs but parents and players have to decide where is the best fit overall.

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The amusing thing about your point of view is how hostile you are to ANY other message that doesn't neatly line up with what the Stars messages are. It is fine for the Stars to use talking-soccer and social media to spread their messages (ie no high school soccer) but if another club tries to spread a different message (NEFC's philosophy on recruiting) then you see it is a direct attack on the Stars and go to great lengths to shout it down. The reality here is this thread is just a DIFFERENT message and the other clubs have every right to spread theirs as the Stars do. Believe it or not the world of youth soccer doesn't start and end with the Stars. The Stars people can do what the heck they want, but they are not the largest club in the state at this point and the way that they do business is not what the majority of club soccer families in this state are apparently looking for other wise they WOULD be the largest. Time for a few of you to get off your high horses and accept that there is information other clubs want to get out to the soccer families in the state and that they have a right to do it. In other words STFU!!

And btw, not hostile to any particular views...just your insane agenda of hate and lies upon lies upon lies.