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    #31
    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
    It is not clear the government can shut down a private enterprise. We also have the right to freely assemble. The evidence does not support lock downs, social distancing or wearing a mask. It's smoke in mirrors. It is frightening how many sheep just follow along and then shame those that have a brain. The ONLY way to fight this virus is through herd immunity. Protecting those most at risk is necessary and smart but the best defense is for the rest of us to get it.
    It is truly worth repeating these clear, common sense truths every time one of these threads goes off the rails. Stars tourney should go ahead as scheduled.

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      #32
      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
      It is not clear the government can shut down a private enterprise. We also have the right to freely assemble. The evidence does not support lock downs, social distancing or wearing a mask. It's smoke in mirrors. It is frightening how many sheep just follow along and then shame those that have a brain. The ONLY way to fight this virus is through herd immunity. Protecting those most at risk is necessary and smart but the best defense is for the rest of us to get it.
      Literally everything above is wrong. There are many scientific studies conducted over the last few months which show there is no herd immunity as some people have contracted COVID multiple times. Wearing a mask significantly reduces the spread of COVID. This approach "It is what it is" has contributed to the death of over 150,000 Americans, increasing by over 1,000 per day. Those that have a brain practice social distancing, wear a mask and wash their hands. All you have to do is look at how bad Sweden handled COVID to know they are one of the few countries which has handled COVID worse than the U.S.

      https://www.usatoday.com/story/opini...mn/5472100002/

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        #33
        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
        It is not clear the government can shut down a private enterprise. We also have the right to freely assemble. The evidence does not support lock downs, social distancing or wearing a mask. It's smoke in mirrors. It is frightening how many sheep just follow along and then shame those that have a brain. The ONLY way to fight this virus is through herd immunity. Protecting those most at risk is necessary and smart but the best defense is for the rest of us to get it.
        ^ then why do medical experts not recommend this routine?

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          #34
          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
          That exemption only applies for work or school, not for personal or leisure reasons.

          Per Mass.gov

          Persons Commuting for Work or School: People who regularly commute, at least weekly, outside of Massachusetts to a fixed place to attend school or work or any person who regularly commutes, at least weekly into Massachusetts to a fixed place to attend school or work; provided that in either case, this exception applies only to and from the person’s residence and place of work or school. Workers or students who travel to any place that is not their home state for personal or leisure reasons cannot rely on this exemption.

          https://www.mass.gov/info-details/covid-19-travel-order
          From same page in section that applies to MA Residents:
          you will be treated as “arriving from” a place other than a COVID-19 lower-risk state if you were present in any State or jurisdiction not on the list of COVID-19 lower-risk states for more than a transitory period of time in the last 14 days.

          As long as you leave same day you can assert that you were there for a transitory period of time. just don't sleep in RI.

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            #35
            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
            From same page in section that applies to MA Residents:
            you will be treated as “arriving from” a place other than a COVID-19 lower-risk state if you were present in any State or jurisdiction not on the list of COVID-19 lower-risk states for more than a transitory period of time in the last 14 days.

            As long as you leave same day you can assert that you were there for a transitory period of time. just don't sleep in RI.
            Do we know what is the definition of "transitory" per the state/governor?

            I'm pretty sure they would not consider a kid/parent "making a 2-hour stop" for a soccer game as being "transitory".

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              #36
              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
              Will there be refs? Subbing rules? Are teams paying a fee?

              (asking, I don't know the answer myself)
              Not sure it matters. As long as the rules are adjusted enough it's not a game. This could be as easy as stating all play starts from the back and teams alternate 3 starts each. As long as the scores aren't posted (sorry got soccer), and it doesn't accrue to any league standing nor national ranking it is not a formal contest. As long as there is no stage progression nor designation of a winner its not a tournament. Fees should be expected for shared costs like field rental, and many other safety measures including refs and Marshalls to enforce social distancing at venue

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                #37
                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                It is not clear the government can shut down a private enterprise. We also have the right to freely assemble. The evidence does not support lock downs, social distancing or wearing a mask. It's smoke in mirrors. It is frightening how many sheep just follow along and then shame those that have a brain. The ONLY way to fight this virus is through herd immunity. Protecting those most at risk is necessary and smart but the best defense is for the rest of us to get it.
                It's not clear the government can shut down a private enterprise???

                Are you freaking kidding me? You're funny as hell! Because they just did... for months!
                Small enterprises, medium, large... they did it and are still doing it (dance clubs and bars for example).

                I hear you man, reality sucks.

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                  #38
                  Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                  Do we know what is the definition of "transitory" per the state/governor?

                  I'm pretty sure they would not consider a kid/parent "making a 2-hour stop" for a soccer game as being "transitory".
                  Thats the beauty of it. They don't explicitly state that it isn't either.
                  they do set precedent regarding college drop offs tho and in/out same day falls under transitory

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                    #39
                    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                    Not sure it matters. As long as the rules are adjusted enough it's not a game. This could be as easy as stating all play starts from the back and teams alternate 3 starts each. As long as the scores aren't posted (sorry got soccer), and it doesn't accrue to any league standing nor national ranking it is not a formal contest. As long as there is no stage progression nor designation of a winner its not a tournament. Fees should be expected for shared costs like field rental, and many other safety measures including refs and Marshalls to enforce social distancing at venue
                    Doesn't sound like a scrimmage to me. But, my opinion doesn't matter.

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                      #40
                      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                      Doesn't sound like a scrimmage to me. But, my opinion doesn't matter.
                      How so? A game that doesn't count with a modified format from standard rules is the literal definition of scrimmage

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                        #41
                        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                        How so? A game that doesn't count with a modified format from standard rules is the literal definition of scrimmage
                        Folks, you don't seem to be getting it. Stars isn't being tricky here. If we aren't in phase 4 they won't run this event. We heard from a Stars coach last week it's no better than 50/50 whether this thing happens or not. They are just planning in hopes the rules will allow them to do it. Which is what a rational person would do given the uncertainty. The alternative is to just hide in a closet assuming nothing will ever change. Businesses don't operate that way. They try to plan ahead. And they've modified the format to try to minimize risk. If in the end it can't happen then that's life. I don't think this is JD sitting in his office interpreting commas in the MA rules and trying to find a way around the obvious intent of the regs. It's not worth it for a business like Stars to walk too close to the line here. They could alienate the state/local authorities and a good chunk of their paying customers. While many parents want the kids to play and virtually all are allowing them to do so many are also nervous about the virus. Stars won't want to be seen as being reckless.

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                          #42
                          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                          Literally everything above is wrong. There are many scientific studies conducted over the last few months which show there is no herd immunity as some people have contracted COVID multiple times. Wearing a mask significantly reduces the spread of COVID. This approach "It is what it is" has contributed to the death of over 150,000 Americans, increasing by over 1,000 per day. Those that have a brain practice social distancing, wear a mask and wash their hands. All you have to do is look at how bad Sweden handled COVID to know they are one of the few countries which has handled COVID worse than the U.S.

                          https://www.usatoday.com/story/opini...mn/5472100002/
                          Good god. Imagine thinking Sweden handled this badly. They are completely done with the epidemic (1 death a day NATIONALLY) and never locked down.

                          If you (wrongly) believe the herd immunity is impossible, then what you are also saying is that there is no point in pursuing a vaccine (see: the common cold).

                          Just take your idiocy to the MSNBC forums.

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                            #43
                            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                            Good god. Imagine thinking Sweden handled this badly. They are completely done with the epidemic (1 death a day NATIONALLY) and never locked down.

                            If you (wrongly) believe the herd immunity is impossible, then what you are also saying is that there is no point in pursuing a vaccine (see: the common cold).

                            Just take your idiocy to the MSNBC forums.
                            Yes! Someone gets it! CNN doesn't even understand their own hero, Dr. Fauci, who has repeatedly said this thing isn't going away and the point is to get to where we can live with it in a reasonably controlled manner - NOT to drive cases to zero which will be impossible for the forseeable future. Somehow we've gone from flattening the curve so our healthcare system can manage things to trying to avoid every single infection.

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                              #44
                              Because this has never been about controlling the virus. Just control.

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                                #45
                                https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europ...ic%20transport.
                                "It is one of the highest death rates relative to population size in Europe, and by far the worst among the Nordic nations. Unlike Sweden, the rest all chose to lock down early in the pandemic."
                                sweden good job? not so much

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