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    #31
    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
    1- you are assuming everyone is talking about the 2007 age group (which is not true)
    ?????????Poster literally said they knew someone on the 2007 4th team who said players from the top team played on the lower level teams for every tough game.

    2- you are assuming ECNL team always plays on the same day as the 2nd or 3rd team (which is not true)
    ?????????ECNL games are on Saturdays & Sundays-2 games a weekend. Other leagues play their games either Saturday or Sunday.

    3- you are ready “4 players” very literally. Could just be a rough number that varies from game to game.
    ????????Poster said 4 PLAYERS, how else am I supposed to read that?

    Truth is that almost every ECNL club does this. It’s something that both PDA and FC Stars cited as a reason they left the DA; that the DA was too restrictive not letting their players play with teams outside the DA, which hurt development opportunities for end of the bench players.
    -Truth is hardly any ECNL club does this. There is very little movement between the 1st and 2nd teams at all, never mind the 1st & 3rd.
    -PDA & Stars cited DA being too restrictive about teams outside DA regarding High School teams, ODP, PDP & Red Bulls teams, not their ECNL B teams.
    Dude,
    #2 - games are catch as catch can. No given day for any league. Too many teams rescheduling because coaches have more teams than they can handle.

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      #32
      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
      Dude,
      #2 - games are catch as catch can. No given day for any league. Too many teams rescheduling because coaches have more teams than they can handle.
      Oh and yet another lie...I swear, you people are really grasping at straws.

      First ECNL is primarily 2 games a weekend-Saturday & Sunday, occasionally it's a 1 game weekend, and the schedule is published by ECNL months in advance. The only time my kid's team ever rescheduled a game was when the game fell within the NCAA dead period and the opposing coach was also a college coach.

      Next, Coaches have teams in the same league, but different age groups.
      IE-ECNL coaches may coach 2-3 teams of different ages in ECNL. ECRL coaches may coach 2-3 teams of different ages in ECRL. NPL coaches may coach 2-3 teams of different ages in NPL.

      The way ANY club V club league works is games are scheduled one after the other at the same location, specifically to avoid conflict for families & club personnel.

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        #33
        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
        1- you are assuming everyone is talking about the 2007 age group (which is not true)
        ?????????Poster literally said they knew someone on the 2007 4th team who said players from the top team played on the lower level teams for every tough game.
        No, they literally said this: "our daughters friend plays for Susa . She is on their 3rd team. They were disappointed when every "tough" game they had on the schedule 4 of their clubs ECNL 1st team members showed up and played the whole game while a lot of kids sat and only played 5 minutes ( because they already have a large roster of girls). That is just plain wrong."

        At no point was the 2007 team mentioned.


        2- you are assuming ECNL team always plays on the same day as the 2nd or 3rd team (which is not true)
        ?????????ECNL games are on Saturdays & Sundays-2 games a weekend. Other leagues play their games either Saturday or Sunday.
        Not always the case. Looking at SUSA ECNL U13 schedule from the fall, there were 3 weekends where they only had 1 game, as well as weekends where they had no games.


        3- you are ready “4 players” very literally. Could just be a rough number that varies from game to game.
        ????????Poster said 4 PLAYERS, how else am I supposed to read that?
        You can read it as a rough number that varies from game to game.


        Truth is that almost every ECNL club does this. It’s something that both PDA and FC Stars cited as a reason they left the DA; that the DA was too restrictive not letting their players play with teams outside the DA, which hurt development opportunities for end of the bench players.
        -Truth is hardly any ECNL club does this. There is very little movement between the 1st and 2nd teams at all, never mind the 1st & 3rd.
        -PDA & Stars cited DA being too restrictive about teams outside DA regarding High School teams, ODP, PDP & Red Bulls teams, not their ECNL B teams.
        Go to any ECRL game, and you will see players with the ECNL patch guest-playing with them. Yes, it is rare for ECRL players to play with ECNL teams, but end of the bench ECNL players play with ECRL teams EVERY GAME.

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          #34
          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
          Oh and yet another lie...I swear, you people are really grasping at straws.

          First ECNL is primarily 2 games a weekend-Saturday & Sunday, occasionally it's a 1 game weekend, and the schedule is published by ECNL months in advance. The only time my kid's team ever rescheduled a game was when the game fell within the NCAA dead period and the opposing coach was also a college coach.

          Next, Coaches have teams in the same league, but different age groups.
          IE-ECNL coaches may coach 2-3 teams of different ages in ECNL. ECRL coaches may coach 2-3 teams of different ages in ECRL. NPL coaches may coach 2-3 teams of different ages in NPL.

          The way ANY club V club league works is games are scheduled one after the other at the same location, specifically to avoid conflict for families & club personnel.
          D has been on ECRL/NE NPL for many years. We have seen ECNL players guesting on their ECRL/NE NPL every game. Sometimes it's just 1 player, sometimes it is 4 players. Sometimes coaches need to find a substitute coach for a game because they have a scheduling conflict.

          This was particularly prevalent last year when NE NPL was divided into North and South and ECNL was not. Because NE NPL was split into North and South, there was no longer an equal schedule with the ECNL schedule (eg. SUSA ECNL might have had a game at Maryland United while SUSA NE NPL was playing against FC Stars at home).

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            #35
            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
            Oh and yet another lie...I swear, you people are really grasping at straws.

            First ECNL is primarily 2 games a weekend-Saturday & Sunday, occasionally it's a 1 game weekend, and the schedule is published by ECNL months in advance. The only time my kid's team ever rescheduled a game was when the game fell within the NCAA dead period and the opposing coach was also a college coach.

            Next, Coaches have teams in the same league, but different age groups.
            IE-ECNL coaches may coach 2-3 teams of different ages in ECNL. ECRL coaches may coach 2-3 teams of different ages in ECRL. NPL coaches may coach 2-3 teams of different ages in NPL.

            The way ANY club V club league works is games are scheduled one after the other at the same location, specifically to avoid conflict for families & club personnel.
            Oh dear exposure through one team and you know it all. Do you have any kids in college that play so you can tell us what it’s like in every league and every team in every game in college?

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              #36
              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
              No, they literally said this: "our daughters friend plays for Susa . She is on their 3rd team. They were disappointed when every "tough" game they had on the schedule 4 of their clubs ECNL 1st team members showed up and played the whole game while a lot of kids sat and only played 5 minutes ( because they already have a large roster of girls). That is just plain wrong."

              At no point was the 2007 team mentioned.




              Not always the case. Looking at SUSA ECNL U13 schedule from the fall, there were 3 weekends where they only had 1 game, as well as weekends where they had no games.




              You can read it as a rough number that varies from game to game.




              Go to any ECRL game, and you will see players with the ECNL patch guest-playing with them. Yes, it is rare for ECRL players to play with ECNL teams, but end of the bench ECNL players play with ECRL teams EVERY GAME.
              This is the post that mentioned the 2007 team that you claim "at no point was the 2007 team mentioned"-
              "Not the OP, but a parent of an 07 daughter with SUSA. Ask the parents on the susa 2007 girls 4th team ( called Carolina on the NPL roster), You will be surprised to hear the answer was yes.
              So before you rant anymore, ask them. They tell the 1st team girls it is extra play time, and our girls just have to sit there."


              I acknowledged that there were a few weekends that ECNL only played 1 game, if you want you can cross reference with their 3rd & 4th teams to see if there was a game on the off day and maybe throw that at the wall to see if it sticks.

              The majority of the weekends that there were "no games" were tournament weekends.

              Why are you trying so desperately to prove an invalid point you have zero facts to back up?

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                #37
                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                This is the post that mentioned the 2007 team that you claim "at no point was the 2007 team mentioned"-
                "Not the OP, but a parent of an 07 daughter with SUSA. Ask the parents on the susa 2007 girls 4th team ( called Carolina on the NPL roster), You will be surprised to hear the answer was yes.
                So before you rant anymore, ask them. They tell the 1st team girls it is extra play time, and our girls just have to sit there."
                Ok. But nothing you have presented indicates what they said isn't true. Just because 2007 ECNL team only has 15 players on the roster doesn't mean a few of them don't play with lower-level teams for more playing time (at the expense of the playing time of players rostered on those teams).

                I acknowledged that there were a few weekends that ECNL only played 1 game, if you want you can cross reference with their 3rd & 4th teams to see if there was a game on the off day and maybe throw that at the wall to see if it sticks.
                Since you are the one disputing what others have said is true, maybe you can do the research.

                The majority of the weekends that there were "no games" were tournament weekends.
                Ok.

                Why are you trying so desperately to prove an invalid point you have zero facts to back up?
                Not desperate at all. But I have all the facts right about ECNL players getting playing time with lower level teams at their clubs. Have seen it first hand from just about every ECRL/NE NPL game D has played over the last 6 years.

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                  #38
                  Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                  Ok. But nothing you have presented indicates what they said isn't true. Just because 2007 ECNL team only has 15 players on the roster doesn't mean a few of them don't play with lower-level teams for more playing time (at the expense of the playing time of players rostered on those teams).



                  Since you are the one disputing what others have said is true, maybe you can do the research.



                  Ok.



                  Not desperate at all. But I have all the facts right about ECNL players getting playing time with lower level teams at their clubs. Have seen it first hand from just about every ECRL/NE NPL game D has played over the last 6 years.
                  OK, but no single local club has played in ECRL/NE NPL for the last 6 years...so either your D has been hopping around a lot or you're lying.
                  Susa only entered NE NPL in 2018-2019 season.
                  Smithtown/East Meadow was only in NE NPL for the 3 years starting with the 2016-2017 season
                  Albertson/Fury hasn't had a team in ECNL/ECRL/NE NPL since they went All In GDA starting with 2018-2019 season.

                  Boy it must have been exhausting for your D to jump around to so many clubs' B teams in 6 years...

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                    #39
                    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                    OK, but no single local club has played in ECRL/NE NPL for the last 6 years...so either your D has been hopping around a lot or you're lying.
                    Susa only entered NE NPL in 2018-2019 season.
                    Smithtown/East Meadow was only in NE NPL for the 3 years starting with the 2016-2017 season
                    Albertson/Fury hasn't had a team in ECNL/ECRL/NE NPL since they went All In GDA starting with 2018-2019 season.

                    Boy it must have been exhausting for your D to jump around to so many clubs' B teams in 6 years...
                    D has been with WC for 8 years. NE NPL started 6 years ago, then turned into ECRL this year.

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                      #40
                      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                      D has been with WC for 8 years. NE NPL started 6 years ago, then turned into ECRL this year.
                      A for effort on the WC shout out, but even if a kid is 18, no way they were playing NE NPL for 6 years...ECNL started at U14 up until a few years ago with pre-ECNL starting at U13.

                      I won't even get into the unlikelihood that a WC player would've remained on the NPL team for 6 straight years when there was so much movement when the bulk of the WC club ECNL teams moved over to NYCFC during GDA and most NPL players at that time were elevated to ECNL teams, because I'm sure you'll conjure up some ridiculous response to that as well.

                      You win. People, listen Up!!!! Don't play for Susa's 3rd or 4th team because on game day they will have your kid ride the bench in favor of ECNL players who have decided to forego their own ECNL game and leave their team with no subs and play in the 3rd or 4th team's game instead of your kid OR on an off weekend where they only have 1 game scheduled, ECNL players will displace your kid on the 3rd or 4th team, OR if it's a tournament weekend and the coach decides he wants to bring less than 15 players ECNL players will force kids on the 3rd or 4th team to ride the bench.

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                        #41
                        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                        A for effort on the WC shout out, but even if a kid is 18, no way they were playing NE NPL for 6 years...ECNL started at U14 up until a few years ago with pre-ECNL starting at U13.

                        I won't even get into the unlikelihood that a WC player would've remained on the NPL team for 6 straight years when there was so much movement when the bulk of the WC club ECNL teams moved over to NYCFC during GDA and most NPL players at that time were elevated to ECNL teams, because I'm sure you'll conjure up some ridiculous response to that as well.

                        You win. People, listen Up!!!! Don't play for Susa's 3rd or 4th team because on game day they will have your kid ride the bench in favor of ECNL players who have decided to forego their own ECNL game and leave their team with no subs and play in the 3rd or 4th team's game instead of your kid OR on an off weekend where they only have 1 game scheduled, ECNL players will displace your kid on the 3rd or 4th team, OR if it's a tournament weekend and the coach decides he wants to bring less than 15 players ECNL players will force kids on the 3rd or 4th team to ride the bench.
                        No ridiculous responses here, just the facts:

                        The 2013-2014 season is when the 02 teams (then U12) started playing with other ECNL clubs. In Fall 2013, the A and B teams from those clubs played together in a single conference run by JAGS in NJ. The Spring 2014 season they moved to EDP, with the A teams playing North Div1 and the B teams playing North Div2. Then Fall 2014 was the official inaugural season of ECNL and NE-NPL for those teams at U13. On D's current WC U19 ECRL team, there are 9 players who have been with the club since at least U13 (3 of whom were with the team since U11 or earlier). For the 02 players, the whole GDA thing did not impact this team because the 02 ECNL team did not move to GDA, so the NE NPL team stayed intact as well.

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                          #42
                          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                          No ridiculous responses here, just the facts:

                          The 2013-2014 season is when the 02 teams (then U12) started playing with other ECNL clubs. In Fall 2013, the A and B teams from those clubs played together in a single conference run by JAGS in NJ. The Spring 2014 season they moved to EDP, with the A teams playing North Div1 and the B teams playing North Div2. Then Fall 2014 was the official inaugural season of ECNL and NE-NPL for those teams at U13. On D's current WC U19 ECRL team, there are 9 players who have been with the club since at least U13 (3 of whom were with the team since U11 or earlier). For the 02 players, the whole GDA thing did not impact this team because the 02 ECNL team did not move to GDA, so the NE NPL team stayed intact as well.
                          I will also mention that of those 9 players on the current U19 ECRL team, they did actually come from different teams during the birth-year change. 6 were from that original U12 team mentioned above, and the other 3 were from the age-bracket younger (young 02's) that merged together at U15. But regardless, all of those players were with their respective NE NPL teams at WC for 6 years.

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                            #43
                            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                            A for effort on the WC shout out, but even if a kid is 18, no way they were playing NE NPL for 6 years...ECNL started at U14 up until a few years ago with pre-ECNL starting at U13.

                            I won't even get into the unlikelihood that a WC player would've remained on the NPL team for 6 straight years when there was so much movement when the bulk of the WC club ECNL teams moved over to NYCFC during GDA and most NPL players at that time were elevated to ECNL teams, because I'm sure you'll conjure up some ridiculous response to that as well.

                            You win. People, listen Up!!!! Don't play for Susa's 3rd or 4th team because on game day they will have your kid ride the bench in favor of ECNL players who have decided to forego their own ECNL game and leave their team with no subs and play in the 3rd or 4th team's game instead of your kid OR on an off weekend where they only have 1 game scheduled, ECNL players will displace your kid on the 3rd or 4th team, OR if it's a tournament weekend and the coach decides he wants to bring less than 15 players ECNL players will force kids on the 3rd or 4th team to ride the bench.
                            You talk like someone who has no clue.

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                              #44
                              Wow you guys have alot of time on your hands with all this information that is useless.

                              Just pick a team where you kid can play, learn and have fun.

                              stop with all the crap. 99% of this thread is meaningless.

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                                #45
                                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                                Wow you guys have alot of time on your hands with all this information that is useless.

                                Just pick a team where you kid can play, learn and have fun.

                                stop with all the crap. 99% of this thread is meaningless.
                                Your daughter should just pick up pom poms !

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