Business of Youth Soccer

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Regarding Peregrine Enterprises with the OYSA Leagues and their Day Care Kiddie camps.


Peregrine LLC, (Thorns/Timbers) makes the most profit off the hundreds and hundreds of clubs and teams that supply the match fields to play OYSA/Timbers league games & Tournaments. It's not like Peregrine invested 100's of millions of dollars into building soccer field complex's all over this state and decided to use league fee revenues to offset this investment, no chance that's too risky and no return. Instead tell every team/clubs to bring their own million dollar land and fields. That they get via city and school taxpayer dollars and poof!! Paulson could make bank!! Without having to absorb the real cost of leasing or owning the fields that league games are played on.

Paulson in the middle 2000's just happened to slip into 'Soccer' when the city of Portland and the local community rejected his dream of being a Baseball AAA owner. But he learned real quick that this city did have a rich history in the NASL and a fan base that was incredible and the light switch on...with the city's help he managed to secure the key to the castle at Civic Stadium and the City of Portland council boobs kept Oregon weird and ignorantly funded the renovation of Civic Stadium to the tune of millions & millions of dollars of more taxpayers dollars, and he Paulson got a sweetheart cheap lease on a city central home for pennies on the real estate value dollar. Now he is able to rent a penthouse for life, for dirt cheap, have the turf changed out by the landlord (city of portland) every 2 years without having to pay for it. It's such a sick, sweet deal even he had no problem abandoning his Baseball dream, he was OK with just getting handed the keys to the castle by the loons at city hall. Within 10 years he would have enough street cred and Daddy's captial to move on the MLB world. Great Plan.

Back to the profit centers at your Soccer State association's non-profit headquarters.
Low overhead is the key feature of the League revenue model for Peregine needed only to find a hopeless dork to schedule the matches and assign referees (the only real tangible) match cost).

OYSA doesn't get a cut for providing basic member servces, league and state cup play. The fat in this exchange by law should go to the 501c3 that is providing member services. But GW cut the OYSA out now the hundreds of thousands $$ are funneled it to Peregrine, a MLS general manager that uses a non-profit state association to improve the bottom line at Peregrine. Sketchy, unethical and absurd for sure, criminal possibly.

With all that said, guess what the local clubs continue to hand over the cherished soccer fields to the Peregrine clowns who the local clubs allow to run kiddie day care in the form of a so callled 'Timbers' camp all over the State on taxpayer dollars fields/complex for again a cost of pennies on dollar. This is the other cash cow that feeds the Peregrine business model in the world of f'd up Oregon youth soccer. For all the vitriol spewed by the LOSC, THUSC, WUSC, SSC, NEU and FC Portland's of the world about the Timbers and the mythical Timbers alliance these Warren Buffet educatied coaching bums, actually gladly provide the fields to the Peregrine group, yes they are really that stupid.

Only themselves to blame.

Truth stranger than fiction--ever wonder why you spend thousands to play in league you don't belong in (ECNL) the same leadership that takes it up the *****$ from Peregrine gets to return the favor to you the parents with decisions that bankrupt most middle class families.

All wrapped around a TEAM SPORT of 11 players that only ask is to provide a. SOCCER BALL. Nothing else.

Ecosystem of Youth Soccer in Oregon...

First few paragraphs of this are somewhat accurate, but blaming "LOSC, THUSC, WUSC, SSC, NEU and FC Portland's" for the state affairs when they are the only ones speaking up?

There would be no cash cow without Westside's and Eastside's "leadership" - Timbers takeover of leagues would have been impossible without it.

Honestly, this is just sad redirection - the folks paying attention at Westside and Eastside don't like this situation any more than folks at the Nike clubs; yet WST and EST were the first to write the checks to the Timbers, yell for "unity" . . . and now they blame the clubs who have actually called for oversight (and in some cases resisted this takeover)?

The saddest part of this is that WST and Eastside use to be leaders in this town - glory days indeed.

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Honestly, this is just sad redirection - the folks paying attention at Westside and Eastside don't like this situation any more than folks at the Nike clubs; yet WST and EST were the first to write the checks to the Timbers, yell for "unity" . . . and now they blame the clubs who have actually called for oversight (and in some cases resisted this takeover)?

The saddest part of this is that WST and Eastside use to be leaders in this town - glory days indeed.

This seems to be a feud that predates the Timbers involvement in OYSA. (Since Nike is mentioned, I wonder how much sponsor loyalty has to do with it). They say that academic politics are so vicious precisely because there is so little at stake, and so I suspect it is with youth soccer.

In my experience:
* Most clubs and coaches are doing this for the love and betterment of the game. Youth soccer clubs are pretty much all nonprofits, even if some pay their DoC a ridiculous amount of money. Most want to do the right thing.
* there is lots of disagreement what the right thing is, and sometimes these fights turn nasty, with lots of accusations of bad faith.
* In some cases this leads to back-and-forth accusations of misconduct that are in most cases unwarranted.

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First few paragraphs of this are somewhat accurate, but blaming "LOSC, THUSC, WUSC, SSC, NEU and FC Portland's" for the state affairs when they are the only ones speaking up?

There would be no cash cow without Westside's and Eastside's "leadership" - Timbers takeover of leagues would have been impossible without it.

Honestly, this is just sad redirection - the folks paying attention at Westside and Eastside don't like this situation any more than folks at the Nike clubs; yet WST and EST were the first to write the checks to the Timbers, yell for "unity" . . . and now they blame the clubs who have actually called for oversight (and in some cases resisted this takeover)?

The saddest part of this is that WST and Eastside use to be leaders in this town - glory days indeed.

The cash cow portion of the narrative points directly at the all the clubs who hand over fields to the Peregrine group, which allows them (Peregrine) to make considerable bank off day care kiddie 'Timbers Camps'. The post goes on to illustrate how ironic it is that these same clubs that publicly bash Peregrine (Timbers/Thorns) ignorantly give fields to Peregrine without resistance.

You inject some twisted logic and spin (hoping it sticks) that this entire state of affairs has everything to do with Oregon youth club 'Timbers Alliance' branding, whereby clubs carrying this moniker are actually culpable for assisting Peregrine. The point is everyone in youth soccer is getting played.

Regarding the OPL demise and statewide league play, that's there own doing (demise) and it's well documented. Without any oversight or overhead they (OPL) just cashed checks and banked money. It was truly a scary direction that was built on collusion and compliance, some even hint at shades of racketeering. Sound familiar?

But, if we want to apply your theory and logic that WSM and ESU clubs were really always in charge of everything that happens in Oregon Youth Soccer, it follows they created the OPL and Destroyed it? Right?

If true, perhaps those dissenting clubs mentioned by the OP should find better leadership, direction and loyalty vs. being the helpless clueless pawns, left to whine about their miserable state of affairs.

The greatest misdirection ever executed is still playing out in your twisted reality with the with the clever branding of local clubs as 'Timbers by GW', Peregrine then swoops in uses nearly every non profit soccer clubs assets at little to no cost and you want to point the finger at two local non-profits clubs who are also in the same boat as all the other clubs.

We all live in this prison bud, and like most inmates you attack other inmates.

Genius.

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Salaries
LOSC/Crossfire DoC: $140,00
LOSC 2nd in Charge: $102,000
PCU Doc: $180,00
PCU: $140,000
PCU: $110,000
BSC: $103,000

Maybe it ain't just the Timbers scamming us.

What do these people do to make this much money? Six figures coaching kids?

Hopefully they aren't coaching kids. They are supposed to be coaching the coaches.

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Keep in mind, many local clubs don't have their own facilities, instead renting from park districts, school districts, etc. If the Timbers run a camp at the THPRD rec center, don't assume that either THUSC or WT have anything to with it. They don't control those fields.

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Keep in mind, many local clubs don't have their own facilities, instead renting from park districts, school districts, etc. If the Timbers run a camp at the THPRD rec center, don't assume that either THUSC or WT have anything to with it. They don't control those fields.

THPRD is a special huge independent animal that makes it's own rules, not surprising that Peregrine is in bed with them THPRD, great point.

On the other hand School districts, counties & city's allocate fields to NON-PROFIT community based sports clubs due to a taxpayer base that built the complexes.

Peregrine goes through the clubs directly like LOSC, WUSC, BSC, EST, WaTimbers, SSC, etc.. etc.. to get the fields from that's CLUB inventory of field time, avoiding a retail price offered to for profit groups looking to rent fields from schools & county/city govt.

Clever, Clever!

All under the heading of The Business of Youth Soccer.

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THPRD is a special huge independent animal that makes it's own rules, not surprising that Peregrine is in bed with them THPRD, great point.

On the other hand School districts, counties & city's allocate fields to NON-PROFIT community based sports clubs due to a taxpayer base that built the complexes.

Peregrine goes through the clubs directly like LOSC, WUSC, BSC, EST, WaTimbers, SSC, etc.. etc.. to get the fields from that's CLUB inventory of field time, avoiding a retail price offered to for profit groups looking to rent fields from schools & county/city govt.

Clever, Clever!

All under the heading of The Business of Youth Soccer.

Sometimes it's cheaper to rent vs build your own. Some club owners may not be good businessmen but they can at least run some basic numbers. Many more don't have the financial resources (cash) or collateral to build (loan).

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Sometimes it's cheaper to rent vs build your own. Some club owners may not be good businessmen but they can at least run some basic numbers. Many more don't have the financial resources (cash) or collateral to build (loan).

Of course sometimes, it's cheaper to rent vs build on your own, that's called real world economics. The land owner gets the ROI via lease and the tenant hopes one day to be able to own there building.

That has nothing to do with OYSA leagues and Kiddie Camps.

In this model they get to secure fields for virtually free, have the cities and counties absorb the cost of building, constructing, maintenance, cover property taxes, artificial turf, bathrooms, and amenities. The cities & counties are funded by tax dollars.

Peregrine is just piggy backing on the perks granted to non-profit sports club and still charging retail prices to all of these teams for league play and kiddie camps.

Marcus Lemonis would be proud of this Model "THE PROFIT" not the ethics of course.

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Of course sometimes, it's cheaper to rent vs build on your own, that's called real world economics. The land owner gets the ROI via lease and the tenant hopes one day to be able to own there building.

That has nothing to do with OYSA leagues and Kiddie Camps.

In this model they get to secure fields for virtually free, have the cities and counties absorb the cost of building, constructing, maintenance, cover property taxes, artificial turf, bathrooms, and amenities. The cities & counties are funded by tax dollars.

Peregrine is just piggy backing on the perks granted to non-profit sports club and still charging retail prices to all of these teams for league play and kiddie camps.

Marcus Lemonis would be proud of this Model "THE PROFIT" not the ethics of course.

Huh? Cities, counties, and school districts generally will rent fields to anyone. Many of them don't give discounts to nonprofits, nor are they under any obligation to do so. When the Timbers run youth camps, they deal directly with field owners, they don't go through the clubs. For OYSA leagues and tournaments, clubs are expected to provide fields, whether they own or rent, and that's how it's always been.

Besides. Soccer camps are a dime a dozen. Perhaps the Timbers/Thorns can charge more for equivalent training due to the axe on the masthead, but there are plenty of other options out there.

Also, soccer camps are generally held during the soccer offseason, when fields are standing unused--and most of the cost of maintaining a field is incurred whether or not it is used.

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The cash cow portion of the narrative points directly at the all the clubs who hand over fields to the Peregrine group, which allows them (Peregrine) to make considerable bank off day care kiddie 'Timbers Camps'. The post goes on to illustrate how ironic it is that these same clubs that publicly bash Peregrine (Timbers/Thorns) ignorantly give fields to Peregrine without resistance.

You inject some twisted logic and spin (hoping it sticks) that this entire state of affairs has everything to do with Oregon youth club 'Timbers Alliance' branding, whereby clubs carrying this moniker are actually culpable for assisting Peregrine. The point is everyone in youth soccer is getting played.

Regarding the OPL demise and statewide league play, that's there own doing (demise) and it's well documented. Without any oversight or overhead they (OPL) just cashed checks and banked money. It was truly a scary direction that was built on collusion and compliance, some even hint at shades of racketeering. Sound familiar?

But, if we want to apply your theory and logic that WSM and ESU clubs were really always in charge of everything that happens in Oregon Youth Soccer, it follows they created the OPL and Destroyed it? Right?

If true, perhaps those dissenting clubs mentioned by the OP should find better leadership, direction and loyalty vs. being the helpless clueless pawns, left to whine about their miserable state of affairs.

The greatest misdirection ever executed is still playing out in your twisted reality with the with the clever branding of local clubs as 'Timbers by GW', Peregrine then swoops in uses nearly every non profit soccer clubs assets at little to no cost and you want to point the finger at two local non-profits clubs who are also in the same boat as all the other clubs.

We all live in this prison bud, and like most inmates you attack other inmates.

Genius.

We are one of the clubs you listed and we do not provide our fields to the timbers for their crap camps. I have no idea why you are taking swipes at the clubs who have pushed for oversight in this ridiculous state of affairs - your long post strangely only listed the Nike clubs (except pcu). You took a swipe at my club and you were either misinformed or passing the buck.

Are you saying that I am misinformed - that wst and Est did not lead the charge to the timbers league?

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I am wealthy. I am sorry YOU are not. Just because your genes and upbringing lead you to middle class status is NOT my concern. I'm happy to part with some petty cash to provide THE BEST experience for our beautiful children. Don't worry there are state schools, middle management and women / men that's are 5 and 6's for you too. Just don't try and run with US. WE ATE BEYOND YOU AND YOUR INFERIOR BROOD!

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We are one of the clubs you listed and we do not provide our fields to the timbers for their crap camps. I have no idea why you are taking swipes at the clubs who have pushed for oversight in this ridiculous state of affairs - your long post strangely only listed the Nike clubs (except pcu). You took a swipe at my club and you were either misinformed or passing the buck.

Are you saying that I am misinformed - that wst and Est did not lead the charge to the timbers league?

Which clubs around here even have their own facilities (particularly outdoor fields)?

Washington Timbers does; and maybe a few outlying clubs where land is cheap.

Westside doesn't. THUSC doesn't. FC doesn't. PCU doesn't. BSC doesn't. Aloha, I'm pretty sure, doesn't. Know less about the clubs beyond Washington County. All of these (I think) are playing in fields rented from school districts, parks districts, churches, corporate campuses (i.e. BSC and Tektronix), etc. Most of the venues my kids have played at this past season, with the singular exception of Harmony, are NOT owned by the club in question.

Which is fine--the field owner gets revenue from the club, the club doesn't have to pay the capital costs of maintaining a field (whether grass or turf, it's expensive). The downside is that clubs don't always get first dibs at field allocations, and that includes having to share with soccer camps (as well as activities unrelated to soccer).

OYSA is a standalone entity--and if it wanted to terminate its relationship with Peregrine, and either take administration of leagues and tournaments in house, or outsource it to someone else, it certainly could.

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I am wealthy. I am sorry YOU are not. Just because your genes and upbringing lead you to middle class status is NOT my concern or problem. I'm happy to part with some petty cash to provide THE BEST experience for our beautiful children. Don't worry there are state schools, middle management and women / men that's are 5 and 6's for you. Just don't try and run with US. WE ARE FAR BEYOND YOU AND YOUR INFERIOR BROOD! Stand down !!

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I am wealthy. I am sorry YOU are not. Just because your genes and upbringing lead you to middle class status is NOT my concern or problem. I'm happy to part with some petty cash to provide THE BEST experience for our beautiful children. Don't worry there are state schools, middle management and women / men that's are 5 and 6's for you. Just don't try and run with US. WE ARE FAR BEYOND YOU AND YOUR INFERIOR BROOD! Stand down !!

And ECNL is more than happy to take your money.

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Huh? Cities, counties, and school districts generally will rent fields to anyone. Many of them don't give discounts to nonprofits, nor are they under any obligation to do so. When the Timbers run youth camps, they deal directly with field owners, they don't go through the clubs. For OYSA leagues and tournaments, clubs are expected to provide fields, whether they own or rent, and that's how it's always been.

Besides. Soccer camps are a dime a dozen. Perhaps the Timbers/Thorns can charge more for equivalent training due to the axe on the masthead, but there are plenty of other options out there.

Also, soccer camps are generally held during the soccer offseason, when fields are standing unused--and most of the cost of maintaining a field is incurred whether or not it is used.

Actually things have changed. Local school districts and cities give special dirt cheap rates to it's community non-profit clubs, many times without lights in use it's free, be they Soccer, Baseball or American Football clubs. Yes, they (city) will rent to anyone, if space is available. But the clubs have nearly all the inventory booked during the fall winter and spring sometimes into summer and that cost is many times zip, zilch, zero to the club due to being a the local non-profit community club. So the odd hours during the weekday might be available to rent but usually the schools use them for PE and Such. The timbers rarely if ever rent at the retail price for field space across the PDX area and oregon which they should as a for profit group, instead they promise a per head nominal kickback to the club(s) that have access to the local community fields and once again the shady business of non profit youth soccer is tainted with money not to the city or government but straight to those 100K salaries you read about. Plus due to this under the table kickback to certain clubs not alliance I might add, they (club) email blast the entire rec and classic membership about the upcoming Timbers Camp. Now you know the rest of the story.

Actually many states with robust coffers actually provide complex's generated through membership and services that provide fields for it's membership to play on with tournament fees less than the Timbers/Thorns OYSA. Without any fields brought to the event.

Not in Oregon. No such chance to build up the type of revenue stream for an OYSA state fields , the TImbers do charge insane prices to merely schedule and assign refs.

Sorry you weren't looped in.