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    It seems to me that about 10% of our coaches in Oregon are good ones. The other 90% are pretty lousy. One sign of a bad coach is when he/she says your kid is a good player technically and/or smart but then uses the phrase "Not engaged" or "Needs to have more impact". Some parents might hear this often from coaches in Oregon. This is another way of a coach saying "I'm only as good as the talent on my team." And that's fine, but he/she is not a coach, he/she is a manager. I find it much easier to teach a player impact and engagement, than it is to teach a hard working player skill and IQ. That's because all you need to do to increase impact or engagement is give that player a specific job to do before they go out on the field. Whether its "Get the ball down the line and cross it and then get back and mark up defensively, work hard at this, don't let the opponent get past you!" Or "Work hard to close down the passing lanes through the middle, and be the last tackle if necessary". Then, help guide that player as he/she is doing the job. Tell them when he/she needs to work harder in that play, or tell him/her good job when they do it right! You will know if your kid has what it takes to play at a higher level, because they will either do the job or they will choose not to work at it. Either way, it won't be left up to the words "impact" or "engagement".
    What's amazing is how so many of our coaches in Oregon do not understand how to instruct a simple task that so many young players need to understand in playing a complex game. A coach must teach this to the individual. They cannot just instruct the entire team on a concept such as this, it requires one on one teaching and instruction. Isolating it down to the individual and tweaking through instruction followed by guidance and positive feedback. So as your son/daughter continues on his/her pathway to soccer development, if you hear something like this from a coach then your best bet is to look for a new coach.

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    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
    It seems to me that about 10% of our coaches in Oregon are good ones. The other 90% are pretty lousy. One sign of a bad coach is when he/she says your kid is a good player technically and/or smart but then uses the phrase "Not engaged" or "Needs to have more impact". Some parents might hear this often from coaches in Oregon. This is another way of a coach saying "I'm only as good as the talent on my team." And that's fine, but he/she is not a coach, he/she is a manager. I find it much easier to teach a player impact and engagement, than it is to teach a hard working player skill and IQ. That's because all you need to do to increase impact or engagement is give that player a specific job to do before they go out on the field. Whether its "Get the ball down the line and cross it and then get back and mark up defensively, work hard at this, don't let the opponent get past you!" Or "Work hard to close down the passing lanes through the middle, and be the last tackle if necessary". Then, help guide that player as he/she is doing the job. Tell them when he/she needs to work harder in that play, or tell him/her good job when they do it right! You will know if your kid has what it takes to play at a higher level, because they will either do the job or they will choose not to work at it. Either way, it won't be left up to the words "impact" or "engagement".
    What's amazing is how so many of our coaches in Oregon do not understand how to instruct a simple task that so many young players need to understand in playing a complex game. A coach must teach this to the individual. They cannot just instruct the entire team on a concept such as this, it requires one on one teaching and instruction. Isolating it down to the individual and tweaking through instruction followed by guidance and positive feedback. So as your son/daughter continues on his/her pathway to soccer development, if you hear something like this from a coach then your best bet is to look for a new coach.
    Teaching the basics is the foundation for all coaching, complicating matters with soccer theory and ideas of how to play the game (delusional attacking tactics) suits the millennial coaches mindset. Working on the simple stuff is above them. It's hilarious. The end result is comical on the field.

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      #3
      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
      Teaching the basics is the foundation for all coaching, complicating matters with soccer theory and ideas of how to play the game (delusional attacking tactics) suits the millennial coaches mindset. Working on the simple stuff is above them. It's hilarious. The end result is comical on the field.
      Signed old fart with a license from 1988

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        #4
        Most of the A license coaches running around are some of the worst.

        It’s equivalent to trump university degrees

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          #5
          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
          It seems to me that about 10% of our coaches in Oregon are good ones. The other 90% are pretty lousy. One sign of a bad coach is when he/she says your kid is a good player technically and/or smart but then uses the phrase "Not engaged" or "Needs to have more impact". Some parents might hear this often from coaches in Oregon. This is another way of a coach saying "I'm only as good as the talent on my team." And that's fine, but he/she is not a coach, he/she is a manager. I find it much easier to teach a player impact and engagement, than it is to teach a hard working player skill and IQ. That's because all you need to do to increase impact or engagement is give that player a specific job to do before they go out on the field. Whether its "Get the ball down the line and cross it and then get back and mark up defensively, work hard at this, don't let the opponent get past you!" Or "Work hard to close down the passing lanes through the middle, and be the last tackle if necessary". Then, help guide that player as he/she is doing the job. Tell them when he/she needs to work harder in that play, or tell him/her good job when they do it right! You will know if your kid has what it takes to play at a higher level, because they will either do the job or they will choose not to work at it. Either way, it won't be left up to the words "impact" or "engagement".
          What's amazing is how so many of our coaches in Oregon do not understand how to instruct a simple task that so many young players need to understand in playing a complex game. A coach must teach this to the individual. They cannot just instruct the entire team on a concept such as this, it requires one on one teaching and instruction. Isolating it down to the individual and tweaking through instruction followed by guidance and positive feedback. So as your son/daughter continues on his/her pathway to soccer development, if you hear something like this from a coach then your best bet is to look for a new coach.
          Could not have said this better myself. Thank you.

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            #6
            Just because you played soccer at a high level (automatic C license)

            Just because you coached older men or women


            Doesn’t mean you know **** about communicating and understanding kids.

            That’s why the majority of coaches fail or are ineffective while thinking they are gods gift to soccer coaching and everyone be damned if your kid cannot get on with them.



            That’s the truth.

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              #7
              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
              Teaching the basics is the foundation for all coaching, complicating matters with soccer theory and ideas of how to play the game (delusional attacking tactics) suits the millennial coaches mindset. Working on the simple stuff is above them. It's hilarious. The end result is comical on the field.
              These same youngsters want to be high paid at age 25 and take personal days off for a friend's birthday celebration. It's a great day to be a millennial in America.

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                #8
                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                These same youngsters want to be high paid at age 25 and take personal days off for a friend's birthday celebration. It's a great day to be a millennial in America.
                Hell ya. This is the world you’ve created.

                Besides the fact that no one in their right mind feels that in the 21st century in america you should have to work like a god damn pilgrim to survive.

                Your grandad worked harder than your dad and your dad worked harder than you. Hopefully you’ve created a world where your kid doesn’t have to take a 70 hr a week boring ass job to make it while talking **** to younger people saying they have it easy because they are jaded as hell from said job.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                  Hell ya. This is the world you’ve created.

                  Besides the fact that no one in their right mind feels that in the 21st century in america you should have to work like a god damn pilgrim to survive.

                  Your grandad worked harder than your dad and your dad worked harder than you. Hopefully you’ve created a world where your kid doesn’t have to take a 70 hr a week boring ass job to make it while talking **** to younger people saying they have it easy because they are jaded as hell from said job.
                  What's impressive is you've created this reality and even more impressive you are teaching the next generation your signature values.


                  What a wonderful world....

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                    What's impressive is you've created this reality and even more impressive you are teaching the next generation your signature values.


                    What a wonderful world....
                    It is nice that we can evlove.

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                      These same youngsters want to be high paid at age 25 and take personal days off for a friend's birthday celebration. It's a great day to be a millennial in America.
                      On the one hand if it involves golf, fishing, or vegas, sounds like a good use of a personal day. On the other hand, you don't have to pay the 25-yr old what they are asking if you don't think they are worth it.

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                        It is nice that we can evlove.
                        Yes, if we use your theory of evolution, the next generation will improve on your example: your kids will have a work ethic, show respect to their elders, ask for what their worth, be valued, acquire intelligence through experience, actually be able to purchase a home, have savings for college and retirement and just like your parents do today, your kids will provide a home for you, come your final days. Since your entire life has been spent in retirement, minus the work.

                        Thanks for being the instrument of change.

                        .

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                          #13
                          How did this get to a boomer vs millenial rant?

                          Remember boomers--your millenial children will be the ones who pick your nursing home. If they are lazy and cynical, it's because they learned it from their parents.

                          Of course the coaching rant that led this off was the sort of substance-free critique that appears to have come from a pissed off parent upset that THEIR kid's coach doesn't recognize the budding Messi on his team.

                          Ideally, it shouldn't matter at this age, but in practice it often does. There are only so many spots on the A team at any given club, and if your kid gets cut down to the B or even C teams, they will probably have an even-less experienced coach and less-skilled teammates to train with. And if your kid does get cut from the A team, chances are your club won't either a) call around to find a spot on another club's A team where there might be an opening, or b) refund/forgive the "unused" portion of your dues, and if you didn't pay up front, demand payment in full before releasing the child for transfer.

                          What to do when there are a) 20 talented kids and b) only 18 roster spots, is always a challenge for sports clubs.

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                            How did this get to a boomer vs millenial rant?

                            Remember boomers--your millenial children will be the ones who pick your nursing home. If they are lazy and cynical, it's because they learned it from their parents.

                            Of course the coaching rant that led this off was the sort of substance-free critique that appears to have come from a pissed off parent upset that THEIR kid's coach doesn't recognize the budding Messi on his team.

                            Ideally, it shouldn't matter at this age, but in practice it often does. There are only so many spots on the A team at any given club, and if your kid gets cut down to the B or even C teams, they will probably have an even-less experienced coach and less-skilled teammates to train with. And if your kid does get cut from the A team, chances are your club won't either a) call around to find a spot on another club's A team where there might be an opening, or b) refund/forgive the "unused" portion of your dues, and if you didn't pay up front, demand payment in full before releasing the child for transfer.

                            What to do when there are a) 20 talented kids and b) only 18 roster spots, is always a challenge for sports clubs.
                            Actually the kid will be still living at the parents house and not visit them at the nursing home, unless they need money of course.

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                              #15
                              Interesting

                              I don't know if coaches in Oregon are any worse here than say Seattle. They may appear better just because of the larger talent pool.

                              I think most club coaches regardless of licence are really not qualified to coach pay to play teams. Parents want there kids to excel in athletics (they love their kids) and get that athletic scholarship, so they will pay for youth sports. Financially the risk reward (current athletic club tuition) against the potential of a partial college scholarship just doesn't make sense. "My soccer player got a 50% ride to U of P, it only cost $40,000 in youth soccer fees (average 5K a year for 8 years) and $120,000 (60K / .50 X 4)" What a deal $160,000. Ugh it just gets worse if you go D3, NAIA etc.

                              Better they were a high school multi sport student athlete, go to PCC and Portland State and not play sports and you give them $160,000 to get a start in life.

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