Not enough tried out for Thorns to post U15/U17 selections???

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The stench of failure surrounding the men’s national team is overpowering. They will be mowing their lawn and catching up on laundry during the World Cup. Sad!

Yes the USMNT is a disappointment but women are pretty good.

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Yes the USMNT is a disappointment but women are pretty good.

Yes, ranked #1 in the world is pretty good.

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Yes, ranked #1 in the world is pretty good.

Now US Soccer is getting involved with girls soccer you can bet they will fix that real quick. They want to bring them down to the level of the men to stay home during the world cup.

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Now US Soccer is getting involved with girls soccer you can bet they will fix that real quick. They want to bring them down to the level of the men to stay home during the world cup.

NewsFlash...US Soccer has been running Women's Soccer since the late 80's.

2 of their 3 world cup championships happened between 1991 to 1999.

This isn't their first rodeo preparing the nations elite.

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Now US Soccer is getting involved with girls soccer you can bet they will fix that real quick. They want to bring them down to the level of the men to stay home during the world cup.

US Soccer has never been involved at the youth level for girls. Why bring their failed methods to girls? To ruin the womens team?

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US Soccer has never been involved at the youth level for girls. Why bring their failed methods to girls? To ruin the womens team?

It's the invention of ECNL and US Club Soccer that has ruined youth soccer in this country. Pay to play will never work and US Soccer is trying to fix it.

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US Soccer has never been involved at the youth level for girls. Why bring their failed methods to girls? To ruin the womens team?

Us Soccer is jealous ECNL is so successful. Hopefully they don’t tank the girls like they did the men.

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Us Soccer is jealous ECNL is so successful. Hopefully they don’t tank the girls like they did the men.

US Soccer gave this experiment a chance; US Soccer ECNL (a club DOC invention to showcase girls for college and make $$$). Not develop any talent for global competition.

Colleges don't mind the ease of just showing up to evaluate, it makes their cake job even simpler for them.

Problem is the format and coaching is a mess (expected with a club centric league) and US Soccer (youth) National teams (once dominant) have become doormats with so many ECNL products failing miserably to compete on the world stage as youths, with only a truncated 'showcase' model to facilitate development for the next stage. Sadly, it's a disaster and US Soccer is trying to fix it. More than likely too late. Should of been blown up about 4 or 5 years ago. US Soccer is late to the dance. All the best correcting this S Show.

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US Soccer gave this experiment a chance; US Soccer ECNL (a club DOC invention to showcase girls for college and make $$$). Not develop any talent for global competition.

Colleges don't mind the ease of just showing up to evaluate, it makes their cake job even simpler for them.

Problem is the format and coaching is a mess (expected with a club centric league) and US Soccer (youth) National teams (once dominant) have become doormats with so many ECNL products failing miserably to compete on the world stage as youths, with only a truncated 'showcase' model to facilitate development for the next stage. Sadly, it's a disaster and US Soccer is trying to fix it. More than likely too late. Should of been blown up about 4 or 5 years ago. US Soccer is late to the dance. All the best correcting this S Show.

Regionalized ODP model was working pretty well before pay to play ECNL ruined it.

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It's the invention of ECNL and US Club Soccer that has ruined youth soccer in this country. Pay to play will never work and US Soccer is trying to fix it.

Not sure how DA is any different. Most of the clubs are pay to play as well, except now you double your cost because the season is twice as long. There are a few clubs that subsidize the cost, but most are pay to play. It is a lot of travel games and someone has to pay the cost of the travel.

ECNL was working just fine. It was getting larger every year. I am not sure what you have been smoking if you did not think ECNL was not working. It was not perfect, but nothing is. ECNL was certainly better than what we have now as a whole. I get that the Thorns is only charging $2K this year so it is better for a segment of players. Portland Thorns will become Westside Thorns next year. We will then be back to full pay to play for Oregon DA team. The full cost will be more than ECNL because you will now have to travel during the fall season.

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Regionalized ODP model was working pretty well before pay to play ECNL ruined it.

How did ECNL ruin ODP? Was it because players saw better value in ECNL?

I remember paying for RTC, Regional Camps, and Arizona trip. Not sure how ODP was much different.

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Us Soccer is jealous ECNL is so successful. Hopefully they don’t tank the girls like they did the men.

That's too bad. Why can't they just stick to boys/mens soccer? Their youth programs have not been very good.

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That's too bad. Why can't they just stick to boys/mens soccer? Their youth programs have not been very good.

They (US Soccer) have been running the youth girls & women's national programs since inception in the late 80's.

Kiddo leagues for club teams can be run by anyone willing. See US Club efforts on this front.

Are you really this dense in person?

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Not sure how DA is any different. Most of the clubs are pay to play as well, except now you double your cost because the season is twice as long. There are a few clubs that subsidize the cost, but most are pay to play. It is a lot of travel games and someone has to pay the cost of the travel.

ECNL was working just fine. It was getting larger every year. I am not sure what you have been smoking if you did not think ECNL was not working. It was not perfect, but nothing is. ECNL was certainly better than what we have now as a whole. I get that the Thorns is only charging $2K this year so it is better for a segment of players. Portland Thorns will become Westside Thorns next year. We will then be back to full pay to play for Oregon DA team. The full cost will be more than ECNL because you will now have to travel during the fall season.

ECNL was working but not in Oregon. Look at FCP and where they've fallen. Arrogance has killed their ability to compete for top level talent. Very few could go anywhere other than UoP and look at the performance of that program. Not saying FCP doesn't have one or two left at each age group, but the culture of that organization could use some serious executive coaching.

As for Thorns, they've seen much better competition this year than ECNL and if the trend continues, GDA will clearly be the top league in the country next year. And does it really matter if they are Eastside, Westside, Portland? So long as the coaching, competition and talent come together, it will be a great program. The 00/99 and 01/02's are deep. 03's and 04/05's will attract stronger talent next year but they are getting clobbered this year.

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ECNL was working but not in Oregon. Look at FCP and where they've fallen. Arrogance has killed their ability to compete for top level talent. Very few could go anywhere other than UoP and look at the performance of that program. Not saying FCP doesn't have one or two left at each age group, but the culture of that organization could use some serious executive coaching.

As for Thorns, they've seen much better competition this year than ECNL and if the trend continues, GDA will clearly be the top league in the country next year. And does it really matter if they are Eastside, Westside, Portland? So long as the coaching, competition and talent come together, it will be a great program. The 00/99 and 01/02's are deep. 03's and 04/05's will attract stronger talent next year but they are getting clobbered this year.

Try reading the post that I was responding to. The question wasn't about specific ECNL clubs, but ECNL as a whole vs. GDA.

BTW, having a lot of player does not mean a team is deep.

And yes it does matter if Eastside or Westside will have the team. When that happens, the program will no longer be subsidized and the cost will be greater than ECNL. Why do you think the Thorns want to get rid of GDA team. How many players will end up going to the new Thorns if the cost is not > $6K. I am being conservative on $6K because I think it will be more like $8K which is the price tag for the Seattle Reign.