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    After watching the Timbers for the last few years one can't help but notice the lack of Oregon youth in the 1st team. Why is that? Are the Timbers admitting, quietly, they have no talent to pull from or that the talent is always better from outside Oregon?

    Should clubs really be aligned with an MLS squad that can't manage player quality within their own ranks?

    #2
    It's a global sport. How many American born players do they have?

    1/1000000000000000000000000 make it.

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      #3
      Alliance Clubs

      I think on many levels the alliance clubs and the Timbers have different goals.

      The alliance clubs seem to understand the main objective in american soccer is college. The three metro clubs have organized what has become Oregon's premier college showcase. The other area clubs have also rallied to this event.

      The Timbers boys DA is all about developing players for the first team. As a player you may have choices if you are good enough between the two programs. The boys programs within and outside the alliance (OYSA) do a great job moving players into the college ranks. From JC's NAIA, NCAA I, II, and III Oregon boys are getting an opportunity.

      Again this why people question the new clubs. What are they going to contribute the this already successful model. SCA markets Europe, good luck with that visa requirement.

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        #4
        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
        I think on many levels the alliance clubs and the Timbers have different goals.

        The alliance clubs seem to understand the main objective in american soccer is college. The three metro clubs have organized what has become Oregon's premier college showcase. The other area clubs have also rallied to this event.

        The Timbers boys DA is all about developing players for the first team. As a player you may have choices if you are good enough between the two programs. The boys programs within and outside the alliance (OYSA) do a great job moving players into the college ranks. From JC's NAIA, NCAA I, II, and III Oregon boys are getting an opportunity.

        Again this why people question the new clubs. What are they going to contribute the this already successful model. SCA markets Europe, good luck with that visa requirement.
        Another SCA hater? Must be doing something good for all the bad vibes.

        SCA has a rich history in sending players to college. Sorry about that. Next !

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          #5
          What players ?

          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
          Another SCA hater? Must be doing something good for all the bad vibes.

          SCA has a rich history in sending players to college. Sorry about that. Next !
          I have never seen a Portland player go to college from SCA. In fact you can click on the recent college commits on the SCA web site and it is blank. Yep, doing great.

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            #6
            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
            I have never seen a Portland player go to college from SCA. In fact you can click on the recent college commits on the SCA web site and it is blank. Yep, doing great.
            They have been in Portland two months so not likely.

            However they have been sending players from Europe over since 2012 so have a very good history of doing so and because of this very good connections.

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              #7
              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
              Another SCA hater? Must be doing something good for all the bad vibes.

              SCA has a rich history in sending players to college. Sorry about that. Next !
              SCA has existed for a few months and we are debating it's college commits? Wtaf?

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                #8
                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                They have been in Portland two months so not likely.

                However they have been sending players from Europe over since 2012 so have a very good history of doing so and because of this very good connections.
                Unless a player from Europe really wants a us education, I would think that playing NCAA ball would be considered a humiliation for a talented European player, who has hundreds of pro clubs within a short plane flight.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                  Unless a player from Europe really wants a us education, I would think that playing NCAA ball would be considered a humiliation for a talented European player, who has hundreds of pro clubs within a short plane flight.
                  Not at all. Hundreds of scholars from pro European academies each year head to the US to play D1 D2 and NAIA soccer. Some stay and progress in the MLS, USL and some go home with a good education to play in Europe at 22yrs. Check those D1 and D2 rosters :)

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                    #10
                    OSU Roster

                    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                    Unless a player from Europe really wants a us education, I would think that playing NCAA ball would be considered a humiliation for a talented European player, who has hundreds of pro clubs within a short plane flight.
                    Look at the OSU roster.

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                      Not at all. Hundreds of scholars from pro European academies each year head to the US to play D1 D2 and NAIA soccer. Some stay and progress in the MLS, USL and some go home with a good education to play in Europe at 22yrs. Check those D1 and D2 rosters :)
                      To clarify:

                      If their main purpose is an education, then an athletic scholarship is an excellent option.

                      If their main goal is pro soccer, US college ball is probably a dead end. Even moreso than for US athletes, as European players have far better options available, especially if they are already in a "pro academy". (If the coaches at such academies are encouraging to come to the US, 'tis not a good sign for their soccer careers).

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                        Not at all. Hundreds of scholars from pro European academies each year head to the US to play D1 D2 and NAIA soccer. Some stay and progress in the MLS, USL and some go home with a good education to play in Europe at 22yrs. Check those D1 and D2 rosters :)
                        In Oregon the rejects of the SCA group aren't playing college soccer anyplace or anywhere.

                        Youth club professionals abroad that can't break into the European pro leagues are suited to play in the states, universities and colleges, absolutely.

                        Also those adult pros not suited to make it out of their leagues of Central &South American to a world power league often find a home in the MLS.

                        These are called realities.

                        Your peddling a 'chance' which is your own fantasy.

                        USA College Basketball players that can't make it in the NBA are valued in places like Turkey, Spain & German Pro leagues.

                        But the Turkish, Spanish and German youth club Basketball players that can't make it to any pro league in their country, aren't by an chance NBA prospects.

                        Instead they just hang it up. (SCA)

                        Real estate slogan sums it up: Location, Location, Location.

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                          In Oregon the rejects of the SCA group aren't playing college soccer anyplace or anywhere.

                          Youth club professionals abroad that can't break into the European pro leagues are suited to play in the states, universities and colleges, absolutely.

                          Also those adult pros not suited to make it out of their leagues of Central &South American to a world power league often find a home in the MLS.

                          These are called realities.

                          Your peddling a 'chance' which is your own fantasy.

                          USA College Basketball players that can't make it in the NBA are valued in places like Turkey, Spain & German Pro leagues.

                          But the Turkish, Spanish and German youth club Basketball players that can't make it to any pro league in their country, aren't by an chance NBA prospects.

                          Instead they just hang it up. (SCA)

                          Real estate slogan sums it up: Location, Location, Location.
                          What's your point ?

                          That everyone has a level and ends up playing at that appropriate level be it home or abroad?

                          Well yes?...……………………………………….

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                            What's your point ?

                            That everyone has a level and ends up playing at that appropriate level be it home or abroad?

                            Well yes?...……………………………………….
                            What you already realize, you have no 'chance'.

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                              #15
                              With the advent of the USSDA, American kids that are good enough to play in Europe have no need to play for expat-run clubs whose founders like to claim nebulous "connections", to get noticed by pro clubs in Europe.

                              The main barrier for most is the lack of an EU passport, which means they can't make the jump until 18.

                              This applies equally to the established youth clubs that have various marketing agreements with European pro clubs. Playing for MJ or GPS (whatever club its attached to) is not going to help you get noticed by Bayern--the North American prospects that Bayern has signed recently all came from MLS Academies (Alphonso Davies from the Whitecaps, Chris Richards from FC Dallas, Taylor Booth from RSL).

                              Playing for FC Portland isn't going to get anybody noticed by AS Roma.

                              And playing for Westside, Eastside, or WashT is probably not a requirement if you want to get to the Timbers or Thorns--they'll take talent from anywhere in the metro area.

                              Et cetera.

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