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    #16
    yes you have a point, as a counterpoint perhaps there were coaching/cultural differences between some of the teams that went with ECNL and US Soccer and they were unable/unwilling to adhere to the coaching curriculum GDA recommends.

    but of course you're right it's true that US soccer has much less to do with the day to day coaching of GDA players than the local clubs as of now. however this is supposed to change as the program matures and becomes more homogeneous and centrally controlled by US soccer. the way to make that happen more quickly is to play the hardline as US soccer is doing and shut out ECNL teams from the NT process.

    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
    Agree on much of what you're saying, but I beg to differ on the following
    "us soccer is all in on GDA, which is a superior all around program for developing future national team players. it's not a superior system for winning games"
    "ECNL does not teach high level soccer tactics to any significant degree."

    Neither ECNL or GDA are the ones developing players or teaching tactics. It is the clubs that are doing the teaching and developing, and the quality of development and coaching is dependent on the club, not the platform If you believe that each club in the GDA is developing their players in the same way and with the same quality, you are severely mistaken.

    Crossfire is not all of a sudden stop teaching soccer tactics because they've now decided to go all-in ECNL. MVLA did not become a worse place to develop national team players when they decided to turned down GDA and stay ECNL(one of their players is a starter on the current NT, and they've produced many NT level players in their history).

    Crossfire nearly swept Reign in head to games last this year. They were in the same platform, so what's the reason Crossfire was better at winning games?

    US Soccer is trying to sell this story that their GDA platform is superior, but that's all BS. Same clubs, same coaches as before GDA was created. The patch doesn't change any of that. The article posted on the last page makes US Soccer's BS so much more apparent.

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      #17
      Just remember that the aggregation of talent is not coaching, its recruiting. Both are inherently important skills to the game but it is important to delineate the two.

      There should be fewer Elite pathways to make them truly Elite and create genuine competition for places. Currently we have the equivalent of participation trophies for all under the guises of Elite level play / coaching. It's a shambles.

      The Federation should take away the USSDA program from Crossfire and only allow the Sounders to have one in Western WA. You can't be 'ALL IN' with ECNL / USCS and then be a USSDA entity when its convenient to bolster the boys side of the program. They should then create one in Eastern WA and perhaps the Spokane Area. That way players are truly being serviced by their local Academy club. Create more stringent rules about bringing players in from outside of the local area (Sounders are doing this in droves) and develop the talent that is here.

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        #18
        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
        Just remember that the aggregation of talent is not coaching, its recruiting. Both are inherently important skills to the game but it is important to delineate the two.

        There should be fewer Elite pathways to make them truly Elite and create genuine competition for places. Currently we have the equivalent of participation trophies for all under the guises of Elite level play / coaching. It's a shambles.

        The Federation should take away the USSDA program from Crossfire and only allow the Sounders to have one in Western WA. You can't be 'ALL IN' with ECNL / USCS and then be a USSDA entity when its convenient to bolster the boys side of the program. They should then create one in Eastern WA and perhaps the Spokane Area. That way players are truly being serviced by their local Academy club. Create more stringent rules about bringing players in from outside of the local area (Sounders are doing this in droves) and develop the talent that is here.
        There is no way MLS clubs with keep a DA program if they are limited to local talent. They want the best potential professional players period.

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          #19
          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
          There is no way MLS clubs with keep a DA program if they are limited to local talent. They want the best potential professional players period.
          Yes, sounders does heavy recruiting outside the area, which is their right. But I know of at least one local Seattle player who wasn't getting playing time with sounders who moved to Ohio to say with a relative & play for a DA team there. He now plays soccer at Notre Dame, so the competition at Sounders is fierce even for really really good local kids. That's kind of crazy.

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            #20
            why? it's a few steps from the pros. that's like saying the competition to play AAA ball is tough even for very good local kids. finally soccer is reaching the level of other pro sports where you need to be an actual elite athlete to play professionally

            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
            Yes, sounders does heavy recruiting outside the area, which is their right. But I know of at least one local Seattle player who wasn't getting playing time with sounders who moved to Ohio to say with a relative & play for a DA team there. He now plays soccer at Notre Dame, so the competition at Sounders is fierce even for really really good local kids. That's kind of crazy.

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              #21
              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
              Reign Academy 16/17 has had quite a few call ups in the last couple months. Impressive they are from one team.
              Or it is really political because the team lose to Crossfire on a regular basis.

              Maybe they are talented and the coaching is just really bad?

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                #22
                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                Agree on much of what you're saying, but I beg to differ on the following
                "us soccer is all in on GDA, which is a superior all around program for developing future national team players. it's not a superior system for winning games"
                "ECNL does not teach high level soccer tactics to any significant degree."

                Neither ECNL or GDA are the ones developing players or teaching tactics. It is the clubs that are doing the teaching and developing, and the quality of development and coaching is dependent on the club, not the platform If you believe that each club in the GDA is developing their players in the same way and with the same quality, you are severely mistaken.

                Crossfire is not all of a sudden stop teaching soccer tactics because they've now decided to go all-in ECNL. MVLA did not become a worse place to develop national team players when they decided to turned down GDA and stay ECNL(one of their players is a starter on the current NT, and they've produced many NT level players in their history).

                Crossfire nearly swept Reign in head to games last this year. They were in the same platform, so what's the reason Crossfire was better at winning games?

                US Soccer is trying to sell this story that their GDA platform is superior, but that's all BS. Same clubs, same coaches as before GDA was created. The patch doesn't change any of that. The article posted on the last page makes US Soccer's BS so much more apparent.
                The Reign did win 1 of the 16 games from Crossfire so it was not a sweep.

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                  #23
                  Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                  The Reign did win 1 of the 16 games from Crossfire so it was not a sweep.
                  Good point. That means that Reign played 22 games against teams that will be in ECNL next year, and they won a grand total of 2 games out of 22. Great job GDA(not)!

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                    #24
                    reign and most other gda teams are made up of 0-2 true national team level players per team and 14 technically and tactically advanced but athletically average practice level players. this is why they can't consistently beat ecnl teams which are full of very athletic and technically and tactically adequate players.

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                      #25
                      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                      reign and most other gda teams are made up of 0-2 true national team level players per team and 14 technically and tactically advanced but athletically average practice level players. this is why they can't consistently beat ecnl teams which are full of very athletic and technically and tactically adequate players.
                      This an accurate categorization of the Reign teams as I have seen as well. I would say most reign teams have 0 national team level players and 1 or 2 teams have 1. Then they have the 1 or 2 really strong players that can jump to any team in the area if desired. Those players typically are frustrated with the club in their area and went to the Reign in the hopes of better training. The rest is really a crap shoot depending on team and age. The older years seem like they have better quality across the team than the younger years. Which makes sense due to the EFC/SU partnership sending kids there. The younger years have to stand on their own two feet and don't look that competitive as of now. The reserve teams are new but from initial observation from practice they seem like a really low competitive level. PSPL and DA results in the fall will show us how it all nets out.

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                        #26
                        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                        The Reign did win 1 of the 16 games from Crossfire so it was not a sweep.
                        The record was awful against xc but to be complete it should be noted that there were 5 ties, so it was 1-10-5 which is a little less terrible than 1-15.

                        It should also be noted that I think all of the national team players are playing up and teams generally have 25-50% younger players. That is to say if reign made all teams age pure instead of having their stronger players play up the results would be a little different, i.e. prioritizing winning games over development.

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                          #27
                          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                          The record was awful against xc but to be complete it should be noted that there were 5 ties, so it was 1-10-5 which is a little less terrible than 1-15.

                          It should also be noted that I think all of the national team players are playing up and teams generally have 25-50% younger players. That is to say if reign made all teams age pure instead of having their stronger players play up the results would be a little different, i.e. prioritizing winning games over development.
                          LOL. C'mon man... you think Reign is the only club that has players playing up in age? And that they value development more than other clubs? That's some strong koolaide.

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                            #28
                            Kind of funny how they bring their play up players down to their age when they play crossfire to try and get that victory, I thought they were only about developing not winning? At least they will be the top DA team in the state!

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                              #29
                              The rosters of all games are all listed on the us soccer website. You can see xc played age pure and reign didn't.

                              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                              LOL. C'mon man... you think Reign is the only club that has players playing up in age? And that they value development more than other clubs? That's some strong koolaide.

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                                #30
                                So 2-3 girls playing up is the reason for all those losses. How do you think those girls feel that you're blaming them?

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