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    #16
    Originally posted by Unregistered
    Rumor is Canadian colleges are a bargain for US citizens too. Is this true? McGill is a great school as well.
    I completely agree on the academic side. Canadian schools have struggled with sports, but I wouldn't pass up a school like McGill even with that.

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      #17
      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
      https://www.mcgill.ca/undergraduate-...s/yearly-costs

      See above. The high $45k price on the tuition range is for international students and the low is Canadian Quebec residents. Not exactly cheap for foreigners. McGill is a top private university so more expensive; maybe a public university would be cheaper, but not much cheaper than in-state tuition at UMass.
      $45K is a bargain vs $70 at many top schools now. Times four years you are well ahead, even if your kid flew every time (and it's not that far). Fantastic school, international city.

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        #18
        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
        UofF are you crazy! There is no school in Florida that is as good as northeast schools academically, including PSU and Rutgers.

        Uof Miami has the upper hand in marine biology over most schools, but that's it.
        UF is ranked 35th in the country now. Miami is good but not as good. The rest are just big state school types.

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          #19
          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
          This is just so silly....like hasn't already been done within the past week here.
          Youi think? Now take a step back and really look why do you think there are so many threads on this SOCCER site about academics? Do you honestly think it was because either someone's kid or maybe themselves back in the day was a top soccer prospect or might it be because someone is constantly trying to justify their personal decisions?

          Like sooooo many other threads, this one is easy for the very top tier soccer players and top tier students. It really only becomes difficult when you are down a rung or two and the differences between the choices are fairly mundane. But then again who is really going to get all whipped up about schools like Richmond or UVM.

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            #20
            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
            Youi think? Now take a step back and really look why do you think there are so many threads on this SOCCER site about academics? Do you honestly think it was because either someone's kid or maybe themselves back in the day was a top soccer prospect or might it be because someone is constantly trying to justify their personal decisions?

            Like sooooo many other threads, this one is easy for the very top tier soccer players and top tier students. It really only becomes difficult when you are down a rung or two and the differences between the choices are fairly mundane. But then again who is really going to get all whipped up about schools like Richmond or UVM.
            Huh? Both of those are very good academics and very good athletics not necessarily soccer (although back in the day), but won national championships in sports like in football. Depends on what you want.

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              #21
              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
              Youi think? Now take a step back and really look why do you think there are so many threads on this SOCCER site about academics? Do you honestly think it was because either someone's kid or maybe themselves back in the day was a top soccer prospect or might it be because someone is constantly trying to justify their personal decisions?

              Like sooooo many other threads, this one is easy for the very top tier soccer players and top tier students. It really only becomes difficult when you are down a rung or two and the differences between the choices are fairly mundane. But then again who is really going to get all whipped up about schools like Richmond or UVM.
              One of the main reasons why I see so many academic-related threads on this soccer site is because soccer is not the goal for most families. A college education is the goal, and soccer (or lacrosse, basketball, dance and violin) is just the potential avenue for getting there. If soccer led to high-paying, prestigious careers as a pro player for lots of kids, then that would be the focus in this country. It is not; soccer is a pathway to college - at least for so many people that frequent this site.

              When it comes to bragging rights, kids' and college are very high on the list of topics. And bragging about college can take many different forms: the prestige or brand name of the school, playing a big time sport at a big time school, how much $ one spent on the experience, how much $ one got to pay for school, grades, etc. It's why the elite are willing to spend hundreds of $000's to get admitted to USC, Yale, Georgetown, etc.

              I'm curious as to folks' opinions on this site: would the average MA dad rather brag about having a kid playing soccer at a top 50 program or have a kid be just a regular student at HYP? I'm leaning toward soccer, but wavering...

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                #22
                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                One of the main reasons why I see so many academic-related threads on this soccer site is because soccer is not the goal for most families. A college education is the goal, and soccer (or lacrosse, basketball, dance and violin) is just the potential avenue for getting there. If soccer led to high-paying, prestigious careers as a pro player for lots of kids, then that would be the focus in this country. It is not; soccer is a pathway to college - at least for so many people that frequent this site.

                When it comes to bragging rights, kids' and college are very high on the list of topics. And bragging about college can take many different forms: the prestige or brand name of the school, playing a big time sport at a big time school, how much $ one spent on the experience, how much $ one got to pay for school, grades, etc. It's why the elite are willing to spend hundreds of $000's to get admitted to USC, Yale, Georgetown, etc.

                I'm curious as to folks' opinions on this site: would the average MA dad rather brag about having a kid playing soccer at a top 50 program or have a kid be just a regular student at HYP? I'm leaning toward soccer, but wavering...
                I’d hands down pick HYP over a much lower academic top 50 women’s soccer school. I’d pick HYP over Arkansas, Arizona, Arizona State, Long Beach State, West Va, etc. Honestly, I’d pick HYP over UCLA, but would probably pick Stanford, Georgetown, Vanderbilt, and that ilk over HYP, if and only if my dd would actually get steady minutes or just really wanted the othe school. Even all the pros say to pick college for the school NOT for the soccer. Made a pact with my dd to not even consider a college interested for her for soccer if she wouldn’t apply to that school if soccer wasn’t part of the equation. Made the deal before recruiting so it’s been easy to stay grounded and only look at schools where she’d apply even if she was injured and couldn’t play soccer again.

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                  #23
                  Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                  I’d hands down pick HYP over a much lower academic top 50 women’s soccer school. I’d pick HYP over Arkansas, Arizona, Arizona State, Long Beach State, West Va, etc. Honestly, I’d pick HYP over UCLA, but would probably pick Stanford, Georgetown, Vanderbilt, and that ilk over HYP, if and only if my dd would actually get steady minutes or just really wanted the othe school. Even all the pros say to pick college for the school NOT for the soccer. Made a pact with my dd to not even consider a college interested for her for soccer if she wouldn’t apply to that school if soccer wasn’t part of the equation. Made the deal before recruiting so it’s been easy to stay grounded and only look at schools where she’d apply even if she was injured and couldn’t play soccer again.
                  The anti-UCLA bias on the site has almost become a thing. UCLA is much closer to Stanford than you think and easily on par with Georgetown, Vanderbilt, Notre Dame, UVA, Michigan, etc.

                  The top 50 program versus HYP is interesting but really a false choice. As BTNT would ask, how many people realistically have such a great problem. The truth is that for New England elite parent types either scenario would be superb....and if your kid can do HYP and play soccer? In the latter scenario most should probably go with that unless the kid is not just a top 50 program kid but a top 50 national recruit in any given year. The latter yields the best academic/soccer combo which is Stanford or Duke with UCLA, UVA and UNC right behind.

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                    #24
                    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                    Youi think? Now take a step back and really look why do you think there are so many threads on this SOCCER site about academics? Do you honestly think it was because either someone's kid or maybe themselves back in the day was a top soccer prospect or might it be because someone is constantly trying to justify their personal decisions?

                    Like sooooo many other threads, this one is easy for the very top tier soccer players and top tier students. It really only becomes difficult when you are down a rung or two and the differences between the choices are fairly mundane. But then again who is really going to get all whipped up about schools like Richmond or UVM.
                    Take a vacation buddy. You deserve it after all your years of service here.

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                      #25
                      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                      The anti-UCLA bias on the site has almost become a thing. UCLA is much closer to Stanford than you think and easily on par with Georgetown, Vanderbilt, Notre Dame, UVA, Michigan, etc.

                      The top 50 program versus HYP is interesting but really a false choice. As BTNT would ask, how many people realistically have such a great problem. The truth is that for New England elite parent types either scenario would be superb....and if your kid can do HYP and play soccer? In the latter scenario most should probably go with that unless the kid is not just a top 50 program kid but a top 50 national recruit in any given year. The latter yields the best academic/soccer combo which is Stanford or Duke with UCLA, UVA and UNC right behind.
                      Sorry but UCLA admits average about 200points lower on their SAT scores. Sure, UCLA has kids who scored as high as some Stanford kids but, on average, caliber of student at Stanford is far above UCLA. Same goes for the Ivies, Duke, Vanderbilt, etc. and D3s like MIT, Cal Tech, Chicago, Harvey Mudd, Amherst, Pomona, Johns Hopkins, etc. There is no hatred and UCLA is a great school and better in sports than probably all the others except Stanford. Academically, UCLA simply isn’t one of the upper elite schools though.

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                        #26
                        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                        Sorry but UCLA admits average about 200points lower on their SAT scores. Sure, UCLA has kids who scored as high as some Stanford kids but, on average, caliber of student at Stanford is far above UCLA. Same goes for the Ivies, Duke, Vanderbilt, etc. and D3s like MIT, Cal Tech, Chicago, Harvey Mudd, Amherst, Pomona, Johns Hopkins, etc. There is no hatred and UCLA is a great school and better in sports than probably all the others except Stanford. Academically, UCLA simply isn’t one of the upper elite schools though.
                        Sorry...it is. And it's not a close call. Your data, even if accurate, is unfair. A better comparison would be out of state SAT averages versus Stanford. And ask college counselors how easy it is to get in UVA, UNC or Michigan from out of state.

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                          #27
                          One ranking venue for world universities and med schools ranks UCLA at #7 in the world, ahead of most Ivies, Duke, MIT, etc.

                          US News ranks UCLA med school at #6 in the USA above Cornell, Duke, NYU, Vandy, Michigan, etc.

                          Some seem to be clueless about the public Ivies....historically Cal-Berkeley, UCLA, UVA, Michigan and UNC. UCLA is pushing Cal for top public university in the country.

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                            #28
                            Apparently more of that 'earned narcissism' going around.

                            You know you're in the super prep elite New England scene when UCLA can't make the cut.

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                              #29
                              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                              One ranking venue for world universities and med schools ranks UCLA at #7 in the world, ahead of most Ivies, Duke, MIT, etc.

                              US News ranks UCLA med school at #6 in the USA above Cornell, Duke, NYU, Vandy, Michigan, etc.

                              Some seem to be clueless about the public Ivies....historically Cal-Berkeley, UCLA, UVA, Michigan and UNC. UCLA is pushing Cal for top public university in the country.
                              The dislike for UCLA is simple. A MA unicorn chose UCLA over BC unlike her sister and it led her to a noteworthy performance with the US WNT at the recent WWC. So it becomes clear that for any future such unicorns or unicorn wannabes, the route to success starts with a National caliber college outside New England.

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