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    #76
    Very happy with JS. Training is great. He has great connections. 100% is the best option in sout florida

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      #77
      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
      as a Weston parent, its what we expected academy settings to be like from day one, tough love, some girls that were soft left. sunrise girls are debating about going back to their club and may stay on as full time... words getting out , JS is setting this up as the place to be in girls soccer in SFLA

      hate all you want but it is what it is
      Good to hear. Not hating. SF needs it. So much untapped potential, if talent can be brought together and really trained.

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        #78
        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
        Good to hear. Not hating. SF needs it. So much untapped potential, if talent can be brought together and really trained.
        Other than the kids playing against teams from SF, do not know the soccer politics, but I cannot understand why SF is not more like ATL as both are about the same size, each has lots of talent and traffic is equally bad.

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          #79
          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
          Other than the kids playing against teams from SF, do not know the soccer politics, but I cannot understand why SF is not more like ATL as both are about the same size, each has lots of talent and traffic is equally bad.
          Organization. Structure. Training. Coaching. High expectations. JS is bringing that to SF. He’s gonna build the program the right way, watch.

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            #80
            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
            The poster doesn't know how to read or do a google search. It clearly states in the rules discovery players cannot play at other clubs, let alone simultaneously. They have to play at the DA club on other teams, either a younger team or a lower level one and cannot play anywhere else. DPs also can't jump back and forth - if you start as full time you can't step down to part time. If you want to stay PT but have used up your games before showcases or playoffs, too bad, 12 game max. You also cannot play HS and DA at the same time regardless of your status as a full time, part time or waivered player.
            https://ussoccer.app.box.com/s/wk8nm...8pvwywmdkklzju


            Part-Time PlayersClubs may add up to an average of 10 Part-Time (PT) Players, averaged across all club’s age groups (U-13 thru U-18/19), which will count against roster totals, according to the Part Time Player Policy. The 2018-2019 policy is available at www.ussoccerda.com. A Part-time Player (PT) player is a player who is rostered with a DA Club or their affiliate Club that is not ready or able to contribute at the Academy level full time. This player is not playing consistently and/or enough minutes in DA games to fully develop; therefore, the player is eligible to play games outside of the DA program. The PT player consistently trains 3-4 times a week (depending on their age group) and must train with both teams; recommended 1-2x a week within the DA and 1-2x a week with the non-DA team.PT players can play in a maximum of 12 DA games. Note, at U-13/14 age groups, any PT player added to the game day roster will count as a game played. To supplement their Academy game minutes, the PT player is eligible to also play games outside the DA on a non-DA team within the club or in an affiliate club as part of his/her individual development plan. PT players must still follow the Academy play-to-rest ratio.PT Players may not be registered PT with any two different Academy clubs at the same time during the same Academy season (Sept-July). PT Players may only change their status to Full-time once during the Academy season and they may not return to PT player status. Furthermore, a PT Player does not automatically garner Full-time status after participating in their twelfth game. The club must submit their intentions in writing to the Academy Office to move the player to Full-time status. Players that have played in the maximum twelve (12) games, are not eligible to continue to play in Academy games, unless the club indicates the desire to move the player to full-time status and the player status has been updated to Full-time by the Academy Central Office. Note, Continued usage of a PT player after their 12th game could cause a club to forfeit games due to the use of an eligible player. Additionally, PT players are eligible to participate in the Academy Playoffs or Academy Championships.
            So what don’t you understand? This is what the guy has been saying. DA part time players can still play on their non DA club team and also play part time with the DA team providing they also train (rule is now min. once per week) with the DA club. That’s brilliant. It finally allows players to stay on a good club team and also get exposure in the DA. This is exactly what Sunrise is doing and it’s a brilliant move by both Weston who gets strong players from Sunrise, albeit part time, and Sunrise keeps their players and still lets them get exposure playing in DA games. The guy is just saying this DA part time player rule is similar to the Discovery player ECNL rule except it’s better because every affiliated club can send their best players to the DA because it’s not limited to only 2 in each age group like the Discovery player rule in ECNL is. A perfect example is my daughter. She wanted to be a Discovery ECNL player and stay on her current team but Alan didn’t select her because he selected two other players who he thought were better than my daughter and they may be. But now in the DA she has a much better chance to be selected as a part time player because they get 12 part time players in each age group on average, so it could be even more than 12. I believe the old rule was only 10 but it’s been recently changed this season to 12. But either way, 10 part time players in DA is a lot more available spots than 2 part time (Discovery) players available at Prime ECNL. This new part time rule is going to make a big difference for the DA especially since kids can now still play high school soccer and be part time DA players either before or after the high school season, just like the Sunrise girls are doing.

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              #81
              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
              So what don’t you understand? This is what the guy has been saying. DA part time players can still play on their non DA club team and also play part time with the DA team providing they also train (rule is now min. once per week) with the DA club. That’s brilliant. It finally allows players to stay on a good club team and also get exposure in the DA. This is exactly what Sunrise is doing and it’s a brilliant move by both Weston who gets strong players from Sunrise, albeit part time, and Sunrise keeps their players and still lets them get exposure playing in DA games. The guy is just saying this DA part time player rule is similar to the Discovery player ECNL rule except it’s better because every affiliated club can send their best players to the DA because it’s not limited to only 2 in each age group like the Discovery player rule in ECNL is. A perfect example is my daughter. She wanted to be a Discovery ECNL player and stay on her current team but Alan didn’t select her because he selected two other players who he thought were better than my daughter and they may be. But now in the DA she has a much better chance to be selected as a part time player because they get 12 part time players in each age group on average, so it could be even more than 12. I believe the old rule was only 10 but it’s been recently changed this season to 12. But either way, 10 part time players in DA is a lot more available spots than 2 part time (Discovery) players available at Prime ECNL. This new part time rule is going to make a big difference for the DA especially since kids can now still play high school soccer and be part time DA players either before or after the high school season, just like the Sunrise girls are doing.
              Now FT GDA players will want to go to being PT players so they can play on their local club team, train part time with the DA, play in 12 DA games and still play HS Soccer.

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                #82
                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                Now FT GDA players will want to go to being PT players so they can play on their local club team, train part time with the DA, play in 12 DA games and still play HS Soccer.
                There is a way for GDA to recruit every elite player because GDA will accommodate every elite player with the right fit and format to meet the elite player’s every need and desire.

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                  #83
                  Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                  Now FT GDA players will want to go to being PT players so they can play on their local club team, train part time with the DA, play in 12 DA games and still play HS Soccer.
                  Each roster has 14 FT and 12 PT with no re entry substitution. Primary players will play most of the minutes and PT will fill in for 30/20 mins per game. Of the 12 PT how do they select the 4 to attending the showcase with the FT players.

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                    #84
                    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                    So what don’t you understand? This is what the guy has been saying. DA part time players can still play on their non DA club team and also play part time with the DA team providing they also train (rule is now min. once per week) with the DA club. That’s brilliant. It finally allows players to stay on a good club team and also get exposure in the DA. This is exactly what Sunrise is doing and it’s a brilliant move by both Weston who gets strong players from Sunrise, albeit part time, and Sunrise keeps their players and still lets them get exposure playing in DA games. The guy is just saying this DA part time player rule is similar to the Discovery player ECNL rule except it’s better because every affiliated club can send their best players to the DA because it’s not limited to only 2 in each age group like the Discovery player rule in ECNL is. A perfect example is my daughter. She wanted to be a Discovery ECNL player and stay on her current team but Alan didn’t select her because he selected two other players who he thought were better than my daughter and they may be. But now in the DA she has a much better chance to be selected as a part time player because they get 12 part time players in each age group on average, so it could be even more than 12. I believe the old rule was only 10 but it’s been recently changed this season to 12. But either way, 10 part time players in DA is a lot more available spots than 2 part time (Discovery) players available at Prime ECNL. This new part time rule is going to make a big difference for the DA especially since kids can now still play high school soccer and be part time DA players either before or after the high school season, just like the Sunrise girls are doing.
                    Isn't Sunrise an affiliate club Weston? So that is why they can play with the Weston GDA teams, if they were at a different club they would not be eligible. Seems like the clubs with GDA, especially in Florida where the player pools are small need to affiliate with as many clubs as they can.

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                      #85
                      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                      Each roster has 14 FT and 12 PT with no re entry substitution. Primary players will play most of the minutes and PT will fill in for 30/20 mins per game. Of the 12 PT how do they select the 4 to attending the showcase with the FT players.
                      Not sure I understand what you are saying about the rosters. They could have as many or all FT players if they want. Can't remember the total roster size but maybe 26 or 30? They can only dress 18 for a game though. I know some rules have changed since last year, so this might have changed, but PT players were not eligible to play in showcases. Also PT players can be done on a ad-hoc basis. Also PT players might play couple games, miss a few then back and play again while in between playing on their regular team.

                      USSF to make a loophole for HS soccer, allow PT players to play in showcases and make the game total say 20.

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                        #86
                        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                        Not sure I understand what you are saying about the rosters. They could have as many or all FT players if they want. Can't remember the total roster size but maybe 26 or 30? They can only dress 18 for a game though. I know some rules have changed since last year, so this might have changed, but PT players were not eligible to play in showcases. Also PT players can be done on a ad-hoc basis. Also PT players might play couple games, miss a few then back and play again while in between playing on their regular team.

                        USSF to make a loophole for HS soccer, allow PT players to play in showcases and make the game total say 20.

                        USSF is not making a loophole for HS players. If a club uses the rule as loophole, then it is on the club. PT players are there for injury, FT players being called up and development. If clubs using the rules for shenanigans, then somebody will report them eventually.

                        There min required practices, starts and min in DA.

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                          #87
                          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                          Not sure I understand what you are saying about the rosters. They could have as many or all FT players if they want. Can't remember the total roster size but maybe 26 or 30? They can only dress 18 for a game though. I know some rules have changed since last year, so this might have changed, but PT players were not eligible to play in showcases. Also PT players can be done on a ad-hoc basis. Also PT players might play couple games, miss a few then back and play again while in between playing on their regular team.

                          USSF to make a loophole for HS soccer, allow PT players to play in showcases and make the game total say 20.
                          Yes PT players can play in showcases but they are only allowed 12 in total, doesn't matter if it's season games, showcases or combined.

                          What you're proposing is a joke. They might was well just lift the ban altogether. The whole point of the ban is to not have players doing both HS and DA at the same time (overuse, burn out). PT players are also playing on their other team so burnout is insured.

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                            #88
                            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                            USSF is not making a loophole for HS players. If a club uses the rule as loophole, then it is on the club. PT players are there for injury, FT players being called up and development. If clubs using the rules for shenanigans, then somebody will report them eventually.

                            There min required practices, starts and min in DA.
                            Plus brining in PT players isn't going to sit well with the FT players and their parents. Club really aren't doing this the way one poster is portraying, nor do clubs want to. It's hard enough to juggle the rosters they have (which are already usually 20-22+), make sure everyone is getting their required starts etc. Now they're going to juggle all these PT players and track their #games? No.

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                              #89
                              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                              USSF is not making a loophole for HS players. If a club uses the rule as loophole, then it is on the club. PT players are there for injury, FT players being called up and development. If clubs using the rules for shenanigans, then somebody will report them eventually.

                              There min required practices, starts and min in DA.
                              Was being sarcastic about how USSF could create a loophole.

                              However by definition a loophole an ambiguity or omission in the text through which the intent of a statute, contract, or obligation may be evaded

                              so in theory there would be nothing to report if the rules were not broken, even if it went against the intent.

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                                #90
                                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                                Plus brining in PT players isn't going to sit well with the FT players and their parents. Club really aren't doing this the way one poster is portraying, nor do clubs want to. It's hard enough to juggle the rosters they have (which are already usually 20-22+), make sure everyone is getting their required starts etc. Now they're going to juggle all these PT players and track their #games? No.
                                Top DA clubs won’t use PT players. The quality DA clubs have 20+ committed players/parents. These kids want DA, not high school. Only clubs hanging by a thread, and are afraid of getting removed from DA, will use PT players to survive. I’ll tell you this, once the DA clubs using PT players get over the hump and become stable, you will see a change in club policy.

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