NESCAC Women's Soccer Coaches

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Funny, when you take a look at the WSJ rankings, the FU alums make more than the Williams alums. Go figure. Also, more FU students find their school inspiring and worth the cost.

FU is now #3 in the regional rankings which is pretty good. If you can go there for a steeply discounted price in one of their many good programs vs coming out loaded with debt from a over-priced LAC? Take the deal. And there's others like it.

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I went to FU, it’s solid. Alumni network in metro NY also very strong.

The salary thing is BS. Lots of Williams go onto grad school while FU has business and nursing which puts kids into decent paying jobs right away. That inflates the salary figures.

Williams kid likely have better earning power 10 years out

Just being honest

Williams # are also major-dependent as they will be anywhere. Strong STEM schools have huge salary numbers, same with military programs. Williams is somewhat ahead of FU but not by vast numbers. You'd need it to pay off the $100K in extra debt.

FU early career $62K, mid career $117
Williams $67 and $127

https://www.payscale.com/college-sal...hools-by-state

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I went to FU, it’s solid. Alumni network in metro NY also very strong.

The salary thing is BS. Lots of Williams go onto grad school while FU has business and nursing which puts kids into decent paying jobs right away. That inflates the salary figures.

Williams kid likely have better earning power 10 years out

Just being honest

Agreed ... come out with an accounting or nursing degree from FU and start with a good job ... in 20 years, make a nice amount more but have nearly maxed out. Williams grads start off well as well and many end up running the companies in 20 years or at least getting into far higher levels of management.

https://www.payscale.com/research/US...versity/Salary
vs
https://www.payscale.com/research/US...College/Salary

https://www.forbes.com/sites/susanad.../#4ee3bf003c65
https://money.cnn.com/2016/09/20/pf/...ngs/index.html


COA: FU: ($67K: https://www.fairfield.edu/undergradu...ees/index.html)
COA: WC: ($72K: https://finaid.williams.edu/cost-financing/)
ENDOWMENT FU: $363M
ENDOWMENT WC: $2.8B
Based on these last 4 pieces of data, would bet the $5k cost difference in tuition is easily made up for at Williams with their tremendous endowment. Sorry, $362M for FU is embarrassing for a school that size and as "prestigious" as you think it is.

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Agreed ... come out with an accounting or nursing degree from FU and start with a good job ... in 20 years, make a nice amount more but have nearly maxed out. Williams grads start off well as well and many end up running the companies in 20 years or at least getting into far higher levels of management.

https://www.payscale.com/research/US...versity/Salary
vs
https://www.payscale.com/research/US...College/Salary

https://www.forbes.com/sites/susanad.../#4ee3bf003c65
https://money.cnn.com/2016/09/20/pf/...ngs/index.html


COA: FU: ($67K: https://www.fairfield.edu/undergradu...ees/index.html)
COA: WC: ($72K: https://finaid.williams.edu/cost-financing/)
ENDOWMENT FU: $363M
ENDOWMENT WC: $2.8B
Based on these last 4 pieces of data, would bet the $5k cost difference in tuition is easily made up for at Williams with their tremendous endowment. Sorry, $362M for FU is embarrassing for a school that size and as "prestigious" as you think it is.

No one has said FU is "prestigious", simply that its a very solid regional school that can be a good fit for certain programs and student budgets. For some the hefty price tag of a Williams-like tuition bill puts it out of reach for plenty of smart students whose parents make too much to qualify for financial assistance.

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Agreed ... come out with an accounting or nursing degree from FU and start with a good job ... in 20 years, make a nice amount more but have nearly maxed out. Williams grads start off well as well and many end up running the companies in 20 years or at least getting into far higher levels of management.

https://www.payscale.com/research/US...versity/Salary
vs
https://www.payscale.com/research/US...College/Salary

https://www.forbes.com/sites/susanad.../#4ee3bf003c65
https://money.cnn.com/2016/09/20/pf/...ngs/index.html


COA: FU: ($67K: https://www.fairfield.edu/undergradu...ees/index.html)
COA: WC: ($72K: https://finaid.williams.edu/cost-financing/)
ENDOWMENT FU: $363M
ENDOWMENT WC: $2.8B
Based on these last 4 pieces of data, would bet the $5k cost difference in tuition is easily made up for at Williams with their tremendous endowment. Sorry, $362M for FU is embarrassing for a school that size and as "prestigious" as you think it is.

Another poster showed the mid career numbers not being very different

Williams # are also major-dependent as they will be anywhere. Strong STEM schools have huge salary numbers, same with military programs. Williams is somewhat ahead of FU but not by vast numbers. You'd need it to pay off the $100K in extra debt.

FU early career $62K, mid career $117
Williams $67 and $127

https://www.payscale.com/college-sal...hools-by-state

Also, with no athletic $ and really only needs based aid, which many soccer families won't qualify for, you either need to be very well off to afford full boat at Williams or willing to take on large amounts of debt.

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Agreed ... come out with an accounting or nursing degree from FU and start with a good job ... in 20 years, make a nice amount more but have nearly maxed out. Williams grads start off well as well and many end up running the companies in 20 years or at least getting into far higher levels of management.

https://www.payscale.com/research/US...versity/Salary
vs
https://www.payscale.com/research/US...College/Salary

https://www.forbes.com/sites/susanad.../#4ee3bf003c65
https://money.cnn.com/2016/09/20/pf/...ngs/index.html


COA: FU: ($67K: https://www.fairfield.edu/undergradu...ees/index.html)
COA: WC: ($72K: https://finaid.williams.edu/cost-financing/)
ENDOWMENT FU: $363M
ENDOWMENT WC: $2.8B
Based on these last 4 pieces of data, would bet the $5k cost difference in tuition is easily made up for at Williams with their tremendous endowment. Sorry, $362M for FU is embarrassing for a school that size and as "prestigious" as you think it is.

I’m not sure that you have a grasp on the economics

5k is the difference in sticker price.

A soccer player could get 10k in athletic money and 25k in merit money from
FU regardless of parent finances. Same family might get zero from
Williams depending on income

That’s a massive delta and probably very much not worth it. Princeton and Yale sure but not NESCAC

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I’m not sure that you have a grasp on the economics

5k is the difference in sticker price.

A soccer player could get 10k in athletic money and 25k in merit money from
FU regardless of parent finances. Same family might get zero from
Williams depending on income

That’s a massive delta and probably very much not worth it. Princeton and Yale sure but not NESCAC

Another TS thread goes of the rails... the OP asked about NESCAC coaches which makes me think his daughter is focused on on D3 programs. D1 schools are irrelevant to the conversation.

Yes, NESCAC schools are expensive and don't give merit aid, which I'm guessing the OP knew. If you want to criticize NESCAC schools at least do it by comparing them to other D3 programs.

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Another TS thread goes of the rails... the OP asked about NESCAC coaches which makes me think his daughter is focused on on D3 programs. D1 schools are irrelevant to the conversation.

Yes, NESCAC schools are expensive and don't give merit aid, which I'm guessing the OP knew. If you want to criticize NESCAC schools at least do it by comparing them to other D3 programs.

Many D3 programs give excellent merit $ to the right students. So it's still a similar discussion - take a steep discount at a slightly lower ranked quality D3 vs pay full price at Williams? Many families will chose the former.

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Many D3 programs give excellent merit $ to the right students. So it's still a similar discussion - take a steep discount at a slightly lower ranked quality D3 vs pay full price at Williams? Many families will chose the former.

Any merit aid at mit? Listen, needs based aid is much better than merit aid. The white kid from fairfield that went to westport is probably going to get merit aid over the black kid from bridgeport. This is based off average scores on standardized tests. Not so much the same on needs based age based on avg income levels at those schools.

You miss the point completely because you think you are a guidance counselor. Avg cost of attendance at fairfield u after aid is 42,719. https://www.collegetuitioncompare.co...rsity/tuition/
At Williams.......24,437..... https://www.collegetuitioncompare.co...llege/tuition/

Now will you blow me?

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Any merit aid at mit? Listen, needs based aid is much better than merit aid. The white kid from fairfield that went to westport is probably going to get merit aid over the black kid from bridgeport. This is based off average scores on standardized tests. Not so much the same on needs based age based on avg income levels at those schools.

You miss the point completely because you think you are a guidance counselor. Avg cost of attendance at fairfield u after aid is 42,719. https://www.collegetuitioncompare.co...rsity/tuition/
At Williams.......24,437..... https://www.collegetuitioncompare.co...llege/tuition/

Now will you blow me?

As has been stated most soccer families will make too much to qualify for FA at either school. Those cost of attendance numbers are across all students. At top D3's your academics have to be of the charts to get merit$, if they even have it (some don't). But go down a notch or two for D3s and there can be substantive merit$, as there also would be at FU (FU would love to get a kid with William's level academics). Merit $ sticks all 4 years as long as you keep up your GPA, usually a 3.0. FA should stick all 4 as well assuming your income doesn't change - which brings in another point. Sometimes with FA it's good one year and not the next because you had another kid in school. Once that sibling graduates, your EFC changes dramatically. Be prepared. Obviously getting any athletic $ at any D1 would be a difference maker as well. There are many high quality academic D1s where a Williams-like student would be a good fit, and again they may get a very good athletic package.

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Any merit aid at mit? Listen, needs based aid is much better than merit aid. The white kid from fairfield that went to westport is probably going to get merit aid over the black kid from bridgeport. This is based off average scores on standardized tests. Not so much the same on needs based age based on avg income levels at those schools.

You miss the point completely because you think you are a guidance counselor. Avg cost of attendance at fairfield u after aid is 42,719. https://www.collegetuitioncompare.co...rsity/tuition/
At Williams.......24,437..... https://www.collegetuitioncompare.co...llege/tuition/

Now will you blow me?

Shows how little you know about the process, so let me help you out junior...

Williams and the other NESCACs (except Conn) only offer need based aid. If you don't qualify for need, you get ZERO aid from NESCAC schools. That's why the avg cost of attendance is BS. Williams only factors in Need based, while other schools factor in Need and Merit. If you have a high EFC (expected family contribution) you are unlikely to see any numbers close to what they quote in the rankings.

Example: our EFC is 99,999....so we got $0 from Wellesley, Wesleyan and Trinity. Conn offered small merit $. By comparison, we received $28k/year in merit from Union and other similar small schools that offer merit. (FU while not D3 also offers decent merit $$)

When our D factored in the fact that she was likely going to attend graduate school (Law or Med), the decision became really easy....

Capiche?

And as for your last request, I'll take a pass. Choke on small bones.

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You will graduate from a Nescac with at least 100 k in debt unless daddy/mommy pays it for you.

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Shows how little you know about the process, so let me help you out junior...

Williams and the other NESCACs (except Conn) only offer need based aid. If you don't qualify for need, you get ZERO aid from NESCAC schools. That's why the avg cost of attendance is BS. Williams only factors in Need based, while other schools factor in Need and Merit. If you have a high EFC (expected family contribution) you are unlikely to see any numbers close to what they quote in the rankings.

Example: our EFC is 99,999....so we got $0 from Wellesley, Wesleyan and Trinity. Conn offered small merit $. By comparison, we received $28k/year in merit from Union and other similar small schools that offer merit. (FU while not D3 also offers decent merit $$)

When our D factored in the fact that she was likely going to attend graduate school (Law or Med), the decision became really easy....

Capiche?

And as for your last request, I'll take a pass. Choke on small bones.

my kid goes to a nescac school and plays...happy where she is and wouldn't have ever entertained FU, not for the soccer, and not for the academics.

I do know kids on the FU team. No offense, but they are not on my kids level on an academics front. Why would my kid signup to be one of 31 kids on a team that is coached by a glorified D3 coach. Play in a garbage conf and get blown out by Monmouth 0-6 in the conf tourney. No NCAA berth. For 10K and the right to brag that she plays d1 soccer?

I know, it is not about the winning, it is about the life long friendships, etc. Guess what, my kid gets that, gets to play in a top d3 conf and gets to go to the NCAA tourney every year. I will pay the extra cost for her to go to a way better academic school

You seem like a real cheap guy. The formula says you can afford 99,999 and you send your kid to a lessor school because she can get 10K for soccer and a few shekels for merit aid?

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my kid goes to a nescac school and plays...happy where she is and wouldn't have ever entertained FU, not for the soccer, and not for the academics.

I do know kids on the FU team. No offense, but they are not on my kids level on an academics front. Why would my kid signup to be one of 31 kids on a team that is coached by a glorified D3 coach. Play in a garbage conf and get blown out by Monmouth 0-6 in the conf tourney. No NCAA berth. For 10K and the right to brag that she plays d1 soccer?

I know, it is not about the winning, it is about the life long friendships, etc. Guess what, my kid gets that, gets to play in a top d3 conf and gets to go to the NCAA tourney every year. I will pay the extra cost for her to go to a way better academic school

You seem like a real cheap guy. The formula says you can afford 99,999 and you send your kid to a lessor school because she can get 10K for soccer and a few shekels for merit aid?

you must be a real treat to stand next to on the sideline. Another dad with a bloated ego. Each their own you d1psh1t

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my kid goes to a nescac school and plays...happy where she is and wouldn't have ever entertained FU, not for the soccer, and not for the academics.

I do know kids on the FU team. No offense, but they are not on my kids level on an academics front. Why would my kid signup to be one of 31 kids on a team that is coached by a glorified D3 coach. Play in a garbage conf and get blown out by Monmouth 0-6 in the conf tourney. No NCAA berth. For 10K and the right to brag that she plays d1 soccer?

I know, it is not about the winning, it is about the life long friendships, etc. Guess what, my kid gets that, gets to play in a top d3 conf and gets to go to the NCAA tourney every year. I will pay the extra cost for her to go to a way better academic school

You seem like a real cheap guy. The formula says you can afford 99,999 and you send your kid to a lessor school because she can get 10K for soccer and a few shekels for merit aid?

Let me spell it out for your sparky, since you're lacking in reading comprehension. She's not attending FU, but a D3 school similar to Union. We she factored in the $100k+ in merit aid she was getting, and the track record the school has with getting kids into top medical and law schools, she chose that over the pompousness of a Wellesley, Williams or Wesleyan.