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Ok, let's calculate.

On all the age groups, boys and girls, U11-U19 (not including the younger teams), it says there are 3,030 teams.

Let's say, they pay on average, $895, some pay more, some pay less.

$895 x 3,030 = $ 2.7 M

The actual number is $ 2,711,850

Again, this does not include the fees from teams at the younger age groups from U8 - U10.

Pretty ridiculous when you think about it, just league fees!
Highest fee you pay is about $800 and that's the very top level. Lowest you'll pay is about $500. That's for the full year by the way. So say the average is $650 for all intents and purposes.

$650 x 3,030 = $1,969,500

Now let's do more math. Average player at a Premier Club pays around $2k-$3k so lets call is $2.5k on average. Rosters are getting bigger and bigger these days so lets take an average 11v11 team and say they have 20 players.

$2,500 x 20 = $50,000

Team makes $50,000 and pays $650 to play Fall & Spring...

Where does the other $49,350 go? And you want to complain about a league fee?
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Alliance or NPL are a complete academy fabricated and run money grab so they can fund their ECNL programs while the suckers go along for the ride. And if anyone tells you they are cheaper than EDP they are correct but youíre talking a few hundred bucks difference per team which is peanuts split amongst a whole team. So stop bashing EDP when other joke leagues are out there like Alliance NPL or whatever name they reinvent to so they can put a fresh spin on things.
Well said!

Come play in our Shark Tank of DA and ECNL programs. But don't worry, we won't recruit your players because it's an Alliance...

If the people complaining on this site were smart, they'd be dangerous...
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Highest fee you pay is about $800 and that's the very top level. Lowest you'll pay is about $500. That's for the full year by the way. So say the average is $650 for all intents and purposes.

$650 x 3,030 = $1,969,500

Now let's do more math. Average player at a Premier Club pays around $2k-$3k so lets call is $2.5k on average. Rosters are getting bigger and bigger these days so lets take an average 11v11 team and say they have 20 players.

$2,500 x 20 = $50,000

Team makes $50,000 and pays $650 to play Fall & Spring...

Where does the other $49,350 go? And you want to complain about a league fee?
The $3 to $4 Million USD EDP is making per season on just the leagues (all age groups) is far more than that.

And, let's not forget the 4 to 6 tournaments that we attend that EDP runs too, at over $1,000 per tournament.

Sounds like we have an EDP defender who loves to prey off of kids playing youth soccer!
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1) There's different levels. Stepping out of a state league and up into EDP you'll play Championship and pay like $500 for the year. Premier about $750. Not sure where the issue lies all things considered. The club I work for charges the parents nearly $3k per year. Gotta have some b@lls on you to cry about a league fee that represents 1/4 of a single players tuition.

2) State leagues are run by volunteers and it was always their way or the highway. Old fashioned people and processes that are unwilling to change with the times. The people at NYCSL are rude, unresponsive and always pander to the Long Island clubs. Never had a problem getting someone on the phone or email from EDP for leagues or tournaments.

3) If you are a serial complainer in any line of business you are likely to be met with answers you don't like. Sounds like you have a bit of attitude yourself.

4) Does that mean if you find a cheaper league option you'll be lowering your tuition fees? Let's not be a hypocrite now.

5) More geographical areas means your travel costs go down. Surely that's a benefit? It shaves off some of our coach and parent expenses.

6) Speak for yourself pal! We get a great discount. But then again, they like us

7) Go and play on another platform. MCYSA, MNJYSA, Alliance, NYCSL, NPL. Plenty of options, go see how you get on.

Your thread basically implies that EDP isn't entitled to make a profit. Sounds like you have a major gripe. You're either a club with a chip on their shoulder or a rival league whining about a competitor rather than owning your own sh1t and improving your platform.
EDP is grossly overcharging for a platform they are not innovating. We were all volunteers, and yes, that was how we kept the league fees down and the game pure.

EDP fees are NOT what this EDP-lover is saying, its actually more. League fees were a few hundred dollars until EDP was formed, now it is 3X to 4X more.

You sound defensive, counting all your money. EDP has been OUTED and they don't like it.

Instead of screaming back on this thread, why doesn't EDP offer some complimentary events for teams that participate?

Or, a trophy for winning their league? What do you get for winning your league during a season???

NOTHING!!!

EDP takes and gives NOTHING BACK!
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EDP is giving back.....Just look at the EDP 1st Team project.....So what if it's only for "All-In" EDP clubs and only took players that were recommended by the coach instead of full tryouts. Cut the number of teams from 4 to 3 and added players after the fact. But at least it's an free trip to play in UK. Did I mention it was for only 1 age group?
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EDP is grossly overcharging for a platform they are not innovating. We were all volunteers, and yes, that was how we kept the league fees down and the game pure.

EDP fees are NOT what this EDP-lover is saying, its actually more. League fees were a few hundred dollars until EDP was formed, now it is 3X to 4X more.

You sound defensive, counting all your money. EDP has been OUTED and they don't like it.

Instead of screaming back on this thread, why doesn't EDP offer some complimentary events for teams that participate?

Or, a trophy for winning their league? What do you get for winning your league during a season???

NOTHING!!!

EDP takes and gives NOTHING BACK!
Volunteers are fantastic but in a world where the professionally run club with full-time coaching staff exists, there needs to be a league that fits. A volunteer run league isn't an option.

When professionally run clubs exist and provide players with better coaching, fields, strength & conditioning, college advisement and all the other extra things we do, our outgoings increase therefore our tuition fees do the same. It stands to reason that when a league hires paid employees to handle scheduling, admin, customer service etc. their fees rise.

Their fees are posted on their website. It's not up for debate, it's publicly listed and fact.

https://www.edpsoccer.com/leagueregistration

EDP has been outed? What, on this site? Yeah, I'm sure they're concerned.

Screaming? I'm just stating facts, you're the one rambling, making false statements and generally sounding a touch unhinged. "OUTED" "NOTHING!!!" "NOTHING BACK". Go take a Xanax.

Complimentary events? What, like their college combine, first team and the free coach stuff they did last year? The things you don't know could fill the Grand Canyon.

Trophy or medal for winning the league is one thing I'll agree with you on. For the young kids especially, it would be good for them to get something for winning their division.

Again pal, your overall point here is lost on me. EDP isn't the only gig in town. If people think it costs too much they can go to another league. MCYSA, MNJYSA, MOSA, SJSL etc. Just the same with our players and families. We're not the only club around, they can go to a travel club, pay less and play soccer. One thing will always ring true though. You get what you pay for.
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The $3 to $4 Million USD EDP is making per season on just the leagues (all age groups) is far more than that.

And, let's not forget the 4 to 6 tournaments that we attend that EDP runs too, at over $1,000 per tournament.

Sounds like we have an EDP defender who loves to prey off of kids playing youth soccer!
Assuming you are part of the workforce, does the company you work for turn a profit? Surely any company is entitled to right?

There are other tournaments out there. Why are you acting like EDP is the only option? Go find a cheaper event. It won't be the same experience but at least you'll save a few $$$.

We live in a landscape where pay to play exists across many sports. If you are a coach or club official then you don't have a leg to stand on. If you're a parent then your coach is a genius who takes thousands of dollars from your bank account each year and has somehow convinced you that the leagues and tournaments who are charging hundreds are the problem.
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EDP charges outrageous league fees, that gradually gets more expensive as play gets more competitive. The tournaments EDP charges also has doubled.

This is as soccer has become more popular and there are more teams.

EDP has not improved their systems.

This is what local clubs have to deal with fees and time:
1) Coach training fees;
2) Field reservations, and field reservation fees (varies by town and most towns now charge);
3) Fall and Spring, or, Fall, Winter and Spring, the seasons add to charges for space to train and coaches to run the training sessions;
4) Insurance and liability;
5) Uniforms;
6) Carding;
7) Registration;
8) Referees and referee fees;
9) League fees;
10) Team forming;
11) Soliciting for donations or fund raising;
12) and recruiting for players and volunteers.

This all takes time, people that know, and money.

The bigger an issue one of these elements becomes, then the whole system is affected.

And, local towns are volunteer driven. We are NOT like EDP which is business focused.

It's pretty obvious that someone at EDP became very sensitive to the accusations of running a business like a criminal empire, money grabbing, and the EDP fees ARE excessive.

We will do just that, assess our options! Thanks EDP!
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Hey EDP, you wouldn't be successful without all the volunteers in youth soccer in NJ! Keep that in mind! All the local teams!

Maybe we should all go back to NY (tri-county), Morris, Mid-NJ, MOSA, SJ?
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EDP charges outrageous league fees, that gradually gets more expensive as play gets more competitive. The tournaments EDP charges also has doubled.

This is as soccer has become more popular and there are more teams.

EDP has not improved their systems.

This is what local clubs have to deal with fees and time:
1) Coach training fees;
2) Field reservations, and field reservation fees (varies by town and most towns now charge);
3) Fall and Spring, or, Fall, Winter and Spring, the seasons add to charges for space to train and coaches to run the training sessions;
4) Insurance and liability;
5) Uniforms;
6) Carding;
7) Registration;
8) Referees and referee fees;
9) League fees;
10) Team forming;
11) Soliciting for donations or fund raising;
12) and recruiting for players and volunteers.

This all takes time, people that know, and money.

The bigger an issue one of these elements becomes, then the whole system is affected.

And, local towns are volunteer driven. We are NOT like EDP which is business focused.

It's pretty obvious that someone at EDP became very sensitive to the accusations of running a business like a criminal empire, money grabbing, and the EDP fees ARE excessive.

We will do just that, assess our options! Thanks EDP!
Love how you think youíre talking to EDP ha ha.

I work for a club with around 45 teams and know all of the outgoing we have. Our two biggest? Fields and refs. I can bet you the money EDP spends on fields, refs, insurance absolutely dwarves yours, ours and everyone elseís out there. If your assessment is true, that they have over 3000 teams, then I canít imagine youíll be terribly missed.
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