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    2 ref system for HS has to go

    The 2 ref system for high school has to go. It leads to poorly called games .

    #2
    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
    The 2 ref system for high school has to go. It leads to poorly called games .
    Don’t disagree but adding another out of shape ref with a crap attitude and poor judgement won’t help much. The whole system needs to be evaluated and there isn’t an easy answer. Tough to find knowledgeable, qualified and available individuals to take on the thankless job.

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      #3
      2 is tough, but there aren't enough good ones for 3.

      Feel free to become certified and help out.

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        #4
        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
        2 is tough, but there aren't enough good ones for 3.

        Feel free to become certified and help out.
        Supply is the biggest issue, as well as HS game times. Most refs have other jobs that don't let them leave at 3:30. That's why day games get the geriatric set. Yes three would be ideal but it just isn't going to change without more refs

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          #5
          The boys games get three refs. Why not the girls?

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            #6
            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
            The boys games get three refs. Why not the girls?
            Slower game, less intense, easier to cover more ground.

            Sorry if that sounds sexist

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              #7
              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
              The boys games get three refs. Why not the girls?
              NH boys high school soccer? News to me. Only seen 2 refs all the games I saw this year and previous seasons.

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                #8
                I have seen 3 refs at multiple boys games. Maybe they were requested? There should be 3 refs at least for the playoffs.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                  I have seen 3 refs at multiple boys games. Maybe they were requested? There should be 3 refs at least for the playoffs.
                  All NHIAA games - including regular season - have the option of using 3 man system for officiating. Most schools don't to it for the following reasons:

                  Financial considerations

                  Title IX considerations - of you do if for one program you have to do it in the other.

                  Lack of trained officials who can do it - saw a game this year where the two line officials were learning the mechanics 10 minutes before game time. They screwed it up all game long and 1/2 of the calls were backwards. Both coaches agreed that the game should have been only 2 man system.

                  An extra official at $80 average increase per game x 16 home games (8 boys and 8 girls) is an extra $1280. It might not sound like much but when you look at the constant money strain on schools in NH you can see why schools won't do it.

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                    #10
                    Last night in Mass. I watched ULowell play in a div.1 college game. Two nights ago I saw Merrimack play a div. 2 game. The same ref officiated both games and he was awful and belongs nowhere near the game. It isn't just high school but high school on average is worse.

                    Bad officiating goes a long way to ruining enjoyment of the game. Superior talent is nullified by grabbing ,holding, interfering with when the player doesn't have the ball. It lleads to angry players and then to more blatant fouls and players getting hurt.

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                      Last night in Mass. I watched ULowell play in a div.1 college game. Two nights ago I saw Merrimack play a div. 2 game. The same ref officiated both games and he was awful and belongs nowhere near the game. It isn't just high school but high school on average is worse.

                      Bad officiating goes a long way to ruining enjoyment of the game. Superior talent is nullified by grabbing ,holding, interfering with when the player doesn't have the ball. It lleads to angry players and then to more blatant fouls and players getting hurt.
                      https://www.ussoccer.com/referees/re...nline-training

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                        The boys games get three refs. Why not the girls?
                        Not sure which boys games are getting three, but NO DII boys get three refs except in playoffs.

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                          Not sure which boys games are getting three, but NO DII boys get three refs except in playoffs.
                          Our school has a budget for 2 home games at 3 ref's and the rest of the games at 2 ref's per our AD. Last season we had a 3 ref system at home twice, but we did not do it this season.

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                            #14
                            Game times are an issue too

                            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                            Supply is the biggest issue, as well as HS game times. Most refs have other jobs that don't let them leave at 3:30. That's why day games get the geriatric set. Yes three would be ideal but it just isn't going to change without more refs
                            Excellent point. Although many schools do not have lights on their soccer facilities so later games with daylight in the fall would be difficult. Plus multiple games going on the same time (boys/girls/jv) is a factor so it makes scheduling difficult also. But on the flip side some things to ponder: why do they need to play 16 games a season? Less games could make scheduling easier and might lighten the load on available ref pool. Also why can't they play on Saturdays instead of right after school? Again this might make some better refs available?

                            Just staying with the status quo just because thats the way it's been done is lazy. NHIAA needs to step up and put together a committee to investigate and try to come up with improvements. The game wasn't designed for a two man system. In any sports contest refereeing or umpiring, the #1 rule that is taught is be in position. If you are in position to see the play, you are far more likely to get the call right. A two man system does not allow refs to be in the right position, especially on off side calls and touch calls.

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                              #15
                              Biggest complaint for me in a two-man system is that no two refs are alike. So, one ref calls something on one side of the field that the other doesn't.

                              Three refs (or one for that matter) means you have one determining voice and that rules.

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