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Lol, that's a ridiculous statement. If this were truly a development academy platform, they would only be targeting top regional players who truly stand a chance at participating in an elite level. Having 4 GDA clubs in NYE is bizarre considering the number of elite players the region produces.

GDA is just another league looking to usurp the existing leagues as the top money maker.

Please explain who is making money?
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Please explain who is making money?
The clubs. But USSF gets a piece of the action too. More importantly they get control, which is what they really care about. But thus far I don't think the rollout is going quite as smoothly as they had hoped. Certainly plenty of top players chose to stay put and not move over. Besides the fact that many older players are already recruited, some of the clubs chosen aren't good and certainly don't always have top coaching. Maybe GDA wins in the end but it's not going to be a quick and easy path there for them. And ECNL will still survive as a strong second league. GDA can't being to fill all the college roster posts out there just like ECNL can't now.
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Shouldnt a real DA, that is built around the national team, be a residency program where the point is less games and more training? Even if they had just a couple of regional residencies where they pulled the top players and they played internally but at the very highest level. The kids who make NTs out of it are well served and the other kids will get looks for college simply because having made the DA by default means they're a real elite player. Having it be a league to usurp ECNL doesnt really sound like a "DA" to me.
Residency programs don't work because of the size of our country. Additionally would you allow your 14/16 to move to say Boston to chase their Soccer Dreams. Would you allow your child to miss college to chase their Soccer Dreams

Who would they play? DAP is large and water down in order for the clubs to have regional teams to play. This allows for reasonable travel and expenses

There are a lot of Washington Generals clubs out there to give the legit clubs game fodder
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The clubs. But USSF gets a piece of the action too. More importantly they get control, which is what they really care about. But thus far I don't think the rollout is going quite as smoothly as they had hoped. Certainly plenty of top players chose to stay put and not move over. Besides the fact that many older players are already recruited, some of the clubs chosen aren't good and certainly don't always have top coaching. Maybe GDA wins in the end but it's not going to be a quick and easy path there for them. And ECNL will still survive as a strong second league. GDA can't being to fill all the college roster posts out there just like ECNL can't now.
In the GDA world, i doubt the Clubs are making much money.
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In the GDA world, i doubt the Clubs are making much money.
Probably more than ECNL on a per player basis. The GDA clubs seem to be charging more than ECNL, even though USSF wanted it to be a lower cost.
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Probably more than ECNL on a per player basis. The GDA clubs seem to be charging more than ECNL, even though USSF wanted it to be a lower cost.
They are. They are supposed to have an additional practice per week so you in theory get more but the bottom line is that the outlay is bigger to play gda. I believe it is more than any other teams I am aware of.
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But then they get more players clamoring to get in, hoping they'll make the DA squad at some point. If clubs didn't get something out of it they wouldn't do it.
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But then they get more players clamoring to get in, hoping they'll make the DA squad at some point. If clubs didn't get something out of it they wouldn't do it.
Clubs are supposed to make money, but the better model in one where GDA can serve as the carrot that helps build a large club under its pillar and attract players from the ground up. Something like PDA's model. This can provide both a pool of players and also the financial ability to average out the GDA infrastructure and costs. Stand alone GDA clubs like LISC have to absorb all the costs on their own, resulting in an expensive pay to play model. Being more expensive was not what USSF described in their original details. And need-based scholarships are also flawed -- the costs should just be lowered across the board to make it more affordable to everyone.
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Residency programs don't work because of the size of our country. Additionally would you allow your 14/16 to move to say Boston to chase their Soccer Dreams. Would you allow your child to miss college to chase their Soccer Dreams

Who would they play? DAP is large and water down in order for the clubs to have regional teams to play. This allows for reasonable travel and expenses

There are a lot of Washington Generals clubs out there to give the legit clubs game fodder
Not to mention the costs. Who will pay for their kid to go to a residency program? Families are already unable to manage the current costs.
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Clubs are supposed to make money, but the better model in one where GDA can serve as the carrot that helps build a large club under its pillar and attract players from the ground up. Something like PDA's model. This can provide both a pool of players and also the financial ability to average out the GDA infrastructure and costs. Stand alone GDA clubs like LISC have to absorb all the costs on their own, resulting in an expensive pay to play model. Being more expensive was not what USSF described in their original details. And need-based scholarships are also flawed -- the costs should just be lowered across the board to make it more affordable to everyone.
Clubs have operated for years on the model of "charge as much as you can to as many people as you can, then offer a few scholarships to those in need". It's a tough mindset to break and might not ever be broken. It's a more profitable model than lowering the price to all. First, those few (and I saw few because soccer is just not a poor person's sport in this country) needing a scholarship will still need one at $2000 just as much as they do at $3000. You start to break even on a team around players 14-18 depending on your cost structure. Players above that number are icing on the cake. Better to make a higher profit margin on players 15-22 than lower. It also means they could better offer scholarships with a higher profit on the paying players. Price isn't a big part of the decision process in club soccer, at least not at that level. Clubs will charge what they think the market can bear.

Non MLS boys clubs have had to compete against the free to play clubs and had no choice but to lower fees. Some still never have despite DA pushing for it. A club that is doing both boys and girls DA is going to really feel the pinch if they're trying to keep fees low for both genders. You need to be a big club like PDA to enact that - all the other numerous profitable teams help subsidize DA tuitions. Small clubs without a lot of teams will really struggle to keep fees low.
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