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    #76
    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
    Post #6.

    My daughter is a keeper and we had the same dilemma. At the end of the day we felt the exposure from the better leagues was more important than playing time in a league no college coach cares about. NPL does not compare to DA/ECNL in any way shape or form. If you can be in one of those leagues you need to do it.

    Also my daughter and the girl she split with got both full rides. One to an ACC team and 1 to an SEC team.

    At the end of the day I was glad we stayed the course.

    I'd like to know of any NPL keeper boy or girl that got on to a major conference D1 team in the last 5 years.
    Post #6 - What a revelation! Thanks for that...

    Wow! It must be true then because someone anonymously wrote it on TS.

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      #77
      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
      Post #6 - What a revelation! Thanks for that...

      Wow! It must be true then because someone anonymously wrote it on TS.
      You do realize lots of girls get full rides. It happens all the time. Some are even getting spending money in addition to the everything else being paid for. Maybe it didn't happen for you but it does happen.

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        #78
        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
        You do realize lots of girls get full rides. It happens all the time. Some are even getting spending money in addition to the everything else being paid for. Maybe it didn't happen for you but it does happen.
        All of the power 5 conferences provide spending money, but depends on level of scholarship. It is based on total cost of attendance and is consistent across all sports.

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          #79
          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
          All of the power 5 conferences provide spending money, but depends on level of scholarship. It is based on total cost of attendance and is consistent across all sports.
          It's usually bitter parents who's own daughter didn't get a full ride. It's easier for them to say no one else got one that possibly accept their own child wasn't deserving enough.

          I also like the parents who talked about scholarships for 10 years while following their own kids all over the country in pursuit of one. When senior year roles around they suddenly decide to focus on academics.

          Why as a society do we have to put a spin on everything?

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            #80
            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
            It's usually bitter parents who's own daughter didn't get a full ride. It's easier for them to say no one else got one that possibly accept their own child wasn't deserving enough.

            I also like the parents who talked about scholarships for 10 years while following their own kids all over the country in pursuit of one. When senior year roles around they suddenly decide to focus on academics.

            Why as a society do we have to put a spin on everything?
            As has been said, yes full rides happen. They just don't happen often, at least full and athletic scholarships. But schools can provide combinations of athletic, merit and financial aid to get to no or close to no cost. That is what parents won't freely admit. They talk about free ride and down some reason think there's shame in it not being full athletic. Free is free. Rock it.

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              #81
              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
              As has been said, yes full rides happen. They just don't happen often, at least full and athletic scholarships. But schools can provide combinations of athletic, merit and financial aid to get to no or close to no cost. That is what parents won't freely admit. They talk about free ride and down some reason think there's shame in it not being full athletic. Free is free. Rock it.

              For every 10 "free ride" claims, 1 is true. In conclusion:

              1) If you didn't get one, don't lie. Nobody cares.
              2) If you did get one, don't brag. Nobody cares.

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                #82
                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                For every 10 "free ride" claims, 1 is true. In conclusion:

                1) If you didn't get one, don't lie. Nobody cares.
                2) If you did get one, don't brag. Nobody cares.
                To be clear, it's a "full ride" not a "free ride." I know every family has a different financial capacity but it is very short-sighted for a family to focus on choosing a college just because their kid got a "full ride" and can attend for "free." Even though women's soccer has a lot of programs and scholarships, the few families that I know that accepted a full ride had to make some pretty significant compromises in other important areas (choice of major, school location too close to home or too far from home, coach they didn't really care for, etc.).

                The smarter play is to not strive for a "full ride" but a situation where playing soccer can get you into a school that has what the kid really wants - for a reduced cost (not necessarily free) and he/she can come on campus as a fully supported (tutoring, advanced registration for classes to get the best schedule, etc.) student-athlete. And ideally, at a school that is probably more selective (and expensive) than the family could afford if the kid wasn't a supported athlete. In many cases that situation can be much more valuable than the "full ride" - even though there is some out-of-pocket costs.

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                  #83
                  Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                  To be clear, it's a "full ride" not a "free ride." I know every family has a different financial capacity but it is very short-sighted for a family to focus on choosing a college just because their kid got a "full ride" and can attend for "free." Even though women's soccer has a lot of programs and scholarships, the few families that I know that accepted a full ride had to make some pretty significant compromises in other important areas (choice of major, school location too close to home or too far from home, coach they didn't really care for, etc.).

                  The smarter play is to not strive for a "full ride" but a situation where playing soccer can get you into a school that has what the kid really wants - for a reduced cost (not necessarily free) and he/she can come on campus as a fully supported (tutoring, advanced registration for classes to get the best schedule, etc.) student-athlete. And ideally, at a school that is probably more selective (and expensive) than the family could afford if the kid wasn't a supported athlete. In many cases that situation can be much more valuable than the "full ride" - even though there is some out-of-pocket costs.

                  This.

                  Also most soccer families are middle to upper class. Most can afford the remaining 40% once 60% has been knocked off the price. Graduating from a great school with little or no debt is an excellent outcome. It's a very different player.demographic than football or basketball

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                    #84
                    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                    To be clear, it's a "full ride" not a "free ride." I know every family has a different financial capacity but it is very short-sighted for a family to focus on choosing a college just because their kid got a "full ride" and can attend for "free." Even though women's soccer has a lot of programs and scholarships, the few families that I know that accepted a full ride had to make some pretty significant compromises in other important areas (choice of major, school location too close to home or too far from home, coach they didn't really care for, etc.).

                    The smarter play is to not strive for a "full ride" but a situation where playing soccer can get you into a school that has what the kid really wants - for a reduced cost (not necessarily free) and he/she can come on campus as a fully supported (tutoring, advanced registration for classes to get the best schedule, etc.) student-athlete. And ideally, at a school that is probably more selective (and expensive) than the family could afford if the kid wasn't a supported athlete. In many cases that situation can be much more valuable than the "full ride" - even though there is some out-of-pocket costs.
                    Don't fully agree...
                    A kid that is going to get a "full-ride" offer will probably have more than one full offer and can be somewhat selective. There are a couple of issues that have not been mentioned.... that are pertinent to GKs....
                    a) Check the college and see what GKs are on the roster and also what GKs they have got recruited.(Note do not trust the college coaches to tell you the truth about this, so look it up for yourself). Do the math...what are the chances that your kid will play? Remember that most colleges have 3-4 GKs and only one can play at a time.
                    b) Check the GK playing patterns over the last few years (its easy to do on their website). Some coaches don't like to get out of their comfort zone and tend to play only one GK all year. How prepared is your kid to sit all her first year - very likely if the college has a GK in any year who has played every game in a season.
                    c) (Somewhat good news)... the chances of getting a full ride as a GK are better than most other positions... Many D1 colleges will carry one "full ride" GK... i.e. 25 - 33% chance. Chances are they will not be recruiting for a top GK if they already have one (unless they are a senior) ... so expect some disappointment when colleges who show up at games do not express any interest in your kid, despite them playing well.
                    d) If you are interested in a specific college check out a couple of their games (many are televised free) it will give you some idea of how they play their GKs.

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                      #85
                      It's nice to see a thread dedicated to goalkeeping.
                      It would be nice to get a separate forum dedicated to goalkeeping.

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                        #86
                        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                        It's nice to see a thread dedicated to goalkeeping.
                        It would be nice to get a separate forum dedicated to goalkeeping.
                        I agree. It is a very unique position to play and requires a completely different approach to everything. Being the parent of a GK can include some very high moments and some very low moments!

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                          #87
                          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                          I agree. It is a very unique position to play and requires a completely different approach to everything. Being the parent of a GK can include some very high moments and some very low moments!
                          Agree. Let's get the ball rolling (though not over the goal-line).

                          I noticed when my kid was being recruited two main attitudes of coaches re goalkeepers --

                          a) GK as shot-stopper: GK job to stay on the line and save the shots that were put in; punting and good long goal kicks main preference for distribution, pass backs only when essential ... training for GKs mainly drill, not integrated with team practice, but separate and under a specialized GK coach. GK not encouraged to play out of goal ever. Weight training important. Communication with defense mainly to prevent goals. GK never a penalty taker for shoot outs. Most valued skills for recruiting -- "good hands" and positioning

                          b) GK as Sweeper keeper: GK part of team ... defense to play further up the field, distribution mainly via playing out from the back. Foot skills essential. Integrated into practices ... communication with defense mainly about positioning and transitioning into attack. Training includes some drill but also passing, possession. Out field playing encouraged. GK often a penalty taker in shootouts. Most valued skills for recruiting -- good feet, distribution and communication.

                          Encountered both types and quite a few who wanted b) but trained for a).

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                            #88
                            Everyone interested in a separate Forum dedicated to Goalkeepers, please notify the admins that we would like them to set up a separate forum.

                            Thanks

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                              #89
                              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                              Agree. Let's get the ball rolling (though not over the goal-line).

                              I noticed when my kid was being recruited two main attitudes of coaches re goalkeepers --

                              a) GK as shot-stopper: GK job to stay on the line and save the shots that were put in; punting and good long goal kicks main preference for distribution, pass backs only when essential ... training for GKs mainly drill, not integrated with team practice, but separate and under a specialized GK coach. GK not encouraged to play out of goal ever. Weight training important. Communication with defense mainly to prevent goals. GK never a penalty taker for shoot outs. Most valued skills for recruiting -- "good hands" and positioning

                              b) GK as Sweeper keeper: GK part of team ... defense to play further up the field, distribution mainly via playing out from the back. Foot skills essential. Integrated into practices ... communication with defense mainly about positioning and transitioning into attack. Training includes some drill but also passing, possession. Out field playing encouraged. GK often a penalty taker in shootouts. Most valued skills for recruiting -- good feet, distribution and communication.

                              Encountered both types and quite a few who wanted b) but trained for a).
                              We have encountered both types too. Seems like it sort of reflects the type of soccer played in their conference. Some conferences tend to play very physical, direct and high press type soccer and it seems like coaches prefer the type a) GK. While other conferences tend to play more of a finesse style and they tend prefer the type b) GK. Our daughter is more like your type b) GK but she committed to a program that historically took type a) GKs because the coach wants to "evolve" their style of play from very direct to more finesse.

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                                #90
                                Have him play volleyball as well. It will help him with his reflexes.

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