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    #31
    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
    Will it not end... join ECNL because you want the experience not some scholarship?! I don't care about scholarships my DD loves to play and why not see how good she can really be!!!!
    Then it sounds perfect for you! Enjoy!

    Where I call foul is the fact that the primary selling point that has been brandished around is it will get you scholarships. This no more or less true than playing anywhere else, and is a sales tool to try to lure families/players who might not otherwise do it. This is dishonest.

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      #32
      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
      But were in for the long haul. By year 3 or 4 we should be pulling some good regionsls wins


      It's not a sprint, it's a marathon. So cut us some slack.
      The talent is spread too thin. If you had one ECNL program and no THORNS program you might be right.

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        #33
        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
        Then it sounds perfect for you! Enjoy!

        Where I call foul is the fact that the primary selling point that has been brandished around is it will get you scholarships. This no more or less true than playing anywhere else, and is a sales tool to try to lure families/players who might not otherwise do it. This is dishonest.
        It was never sold as: you play ECNL then you will get scholorships. It was sold as it is the best league for girls soccer. No ONE can argue that OYSA, OPL, or FRWL are leauges that have tougher competition than ECNL

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          #34
          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
          It was never sold as: you play ECNL then you will get scholorships. It was sold as it is the best league for girls soccer. No ONE can argue that OYSA, OPL, or FRWL are leauges that have tougher competition than ECNL
          Ah the OPL historic revisionism...always something you can rely on with OPL... Go back and read any of the ECNL forums on TS. A consistent claim through all of them is that ECNL events attract all the top level coaches. Coaches you won't run into anywhere else, and if you want a D1 scholarship you must play ECNL. There were even posts analyzing average scholarships to show how the $100,000 in potential scholarship so outweighs the cost of ECNL.

          This became the loudest argument as ECNL parents tried to desperately convince additional players.

          But now as many times in the past it appears that story spun out of OPL/ECNL's control so they claim to "have never said that..."

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            #35
            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
            Ah the OPL historic revisionism...always something you can rely on with OPL... Go back and read any of the ECNL forums on TS. A consistent claim through all of them is that ECNL events attract all the top level coaches. Coaches you won't run into anywhere else, and if you want a D1 scholarship you must play ECNL. There were even posts analyzing average scholarships to show how the $100,000 in potential scholarship so outweighs the cost of ECNL.

            This became the loudest argument as ECNL parents tried to desperately convince additional players.

            But now as many times in the past it appears that story spun out of OPL/ECNL's control so they claim to "have never said that..."
            It's not untrue that ECNL events attract more college coaches than OPL, OYSA or FWRL. A lot more...

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              #36
              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
              It was never sold as: you play ECNL then you will get scholorships. It was sold as it is the best league for girls soccer. No ONE can argue that OYSA, OPL, or FRWL are leauges that have tougher competition than ECNL
              The poster stated it was never sold as being related to scholarships. My reply was a response to this attempt t change what has already been said.

              I understand OR ECNL may now fear they are backed into a corner so they are trying to re-direct the narrative. The problem in OPL fashion they are simply denying they ever made the previous comments.

              They would be much more effective if they acknowledged what they had said was misunderstood, and the primary focus is competition…

              In typical Tom fashion however no wrongdoing is ever admitted, you just deny the old, delete the website if you can and move on.

              Tom's way at all costs...

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                #37
                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                It's not untrue that ECNL events attract more college coaches than OPL, OYSA or FWRL. A lot more...
                Don't read much do you…The accepted way to read is take in the whole paragraph and ascertain meaning, not just read one sentence and latch on to it…

                It might be time for you to revisit first grade.

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                  #38
                  Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                  Don't read much do you…The accepted way to read is take in the whole paragraph and ascertain meaning, not just read one sentence and latch on to it…

                  It might be time for you to revisit first grade.
                  Simply distilling your argument down to the important point. You should try it some time.

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                    #39
                    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                    It's not untrue that ECNL events attract more college coaches than OPL, OYSA or FWRL. A lot more...
                    Lot of good that will do when the team is uncompetitive and many of the players aren't college, much less D1 material.

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                      #40
                      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                      Simply distilling your argument down to the important point. You should try it some time.
                      Actually what you were doing was taking a comment out of context to try to change the meaning of what was said…The point was it was claimed over and over that ECNL is the only path to a D-1 scholarship. The poster I was responding to stated that there was never a comment about scholarships.

                      Sorry, try again...

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                        #41
                        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                        It's not untrue that ECNL events attract more college coaches than OPL, OYSA or FWRL. A lot more...
                        Well that is kind of a stupid statement isn't it...OPL and OYSA events are all within Oregon. The legitimate comparison would be between ECNL, and US Club or USYS. So do the ECNL league weekends out draw USYS or US Club regionals?

                        That is a more legit comparison.

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                          #42
                          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                          Well that is kind of a stupid statement isn't it...OPL and OYSA events are all within Oregon. The legitimate comparison would be between ECNL, and US Club or USYS. So do the ECNL league weekends out draw USYS or US Club regionals?

                          That is a more legit comparison.
                          Not a stupid statement. ECNL and OPL, OYSA, and FWRL are all leagues, but one is a national league. ECNL Showcase events definitely outdraw USYS Regionals or US Club Regionals and it isn't even close

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                            #43
                            Why is this important?

                            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                            Not a stupid statement. ECNL and OPL, OYSA, and FWRL are all leagues, but one is a national league. ECNL Showcase events definitely outdraw USYS Regionals or US Club Regionals and it isn't even close
                            Why does it matter that a particular event draws more college coaches than another? First off, are they assistant coaches or the actual coach? Did 2 or 3 coaches from a particular college come? Do players really want to be recruited by the coach and his staff from the local community college? 350 coaches? Wow, and maybe 10 of them represent colleges that individual players might want to attend. Check out some of the coaches' rosters, see how many actually come from the West coast. My DD's team played in Orlando one showcase. Got lots of coaches contacting her. Good programs, but they represented colleges she didn't want to attend. So the quantity of coaches didn't matter at all. Maybe you can find a showcase event with 800 community college coaches in attendance.

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                              #44
                              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                              Why does it matter that a particular event draws more college coaches than another? First off, are they assistant coaches or the actual coach? Did 2 or 3 coaches from a particular college come? Do players really want to be recruited by the coach and his staff from the local community college? 350 coaches? Wow, and maybe 10 of them represent colleges that individual players might want to attend. Check out some of the coaches' rosters, see how many actually come from the West coast. My DD's team played in Orlando one showcase. Got lots of coaches contacting her. Good programs, but they represented colleges she didn't want to attend. So the quantity of coaches didn't matter at all. Maybe you can find a showcase event with 800 community college coaches in attendance.
                              Not saying that you should join ECNL because of the college scouts.

                              It does sound like you just want to argue for the sake of argument and bring out some hypotheticals. Here are the list of coaches at the ECNL FL event.

                              https://ecnl.wufoo.com/reports/colle...-ecnl-sanford/

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                                #45
                                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                                Ah the OPL historic revisionism...always something you can rely on with OPL... Go back and read any of the ECNL forums on TS. A consistent claim through all of them is that ECNL events attract all the top level coaches. Coaches you won't run into anywhere else, and if you want a D1 scholarship you must play ECNL. There were even posts analyzing average scholarships to show how the $100,000 in potential scholarship so outweighs the cost of ECNL.

                                This became the loudest argument as ECNL parents tried to desperately convince additional players.

                                But now as many times in the past it appears that story spun out of OPL/ECNL's control so they claim to "have never said that..."
                                You still have really missed the point. The earlier poster stated that ECNL had never been sold as a "way to get a scholarship." My comment quoted above was restating the arguments already made by ECNL folks, to demonstrate that the scholarship argument had been made.

                                Now you seem to be wanting to rearguard these points. It is not necessary unless you just want to hear yourself speak...

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