Westside, Rubio, and Training Compensation

[Unregistered]

If player compensation fees applied here as in europe, the following could happen.

1. Clubs would be more focused on development instead of recruitment/result/numbers standard that it Is now. Imagine if clubs didn't get paid until the player was successful rather than paid regardless if they are successful or not like it is now.

2. More free to play opportunities.

3. Development standard would be much better.

4. Participation in Large costing leagues and overblown budgets would be reduced significantly.

5. bad practices such as overblown rosters to keep costs down etc wouldn't exist as development would be thè top priority..

6. Players would be sold after specific ages to high paying professional clubs.

7. The numbers of premier soccer clubs would be drastically cut. Can't compete with clubs who make the best players rather than the best or most winning team.

8. American soccer mom and crazy dad involvement would be gone. Again it wold be about development, not pleasing idiot parents who care about how winning feels to them instead of if it actually matters in their kids development.

Dream on, this would never work in the USA. We don't have the pro leagues that Europe has. This is unrealistic.

[Unregistered]

Great points!👊

Great points for 90 percent of the rest of the soccer world. Unrealistic points in the USA. You must hang out with Brian Williams alot. You should maybe join the rest of society.

[Unregistered]

Dream on, this would never work in the USA. We don't have the pro leagues that Europe has. This is unrealistic.

It's a taxation issue!

[Unregistered]

It's a taxation issue!

That too. You think the average person is going to pay some tax money to your local club so that that it's not pay to play??? Where is all this money going to come from if not from the parents??? You think MLS is going to support all of these clubs??

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That too. You think the average person is going to pay some tax money to your local club so that that it's not pay to play??? Where is all this money going to come from if not from the parents??? You think MLS is going to support all of these clubs??

Oh I know, we can tax the 1%, then we don't have to worry about it. Obama, pie in the sky, money grows on trees liberals will vote for it.

[Unregistered]

This is really gray. Westside is a pay to play club just like most youth clubs, the problem however was if Rubio was scholar shipped. I still believe it should be treated as pay to play and thus no transfer fee.

The only way this should be different is if at the time the scholar ship was awarded there was conversation about signing rights etc…

Most youth clubs tout how they are doing something good for the community by offering scholarships. If these represent chits on those players then clubs need to be honest about it.

WST is a non profit.

Portland Timbers is for profit.

WST gave Rubio an opportunity to play. There is usually a contract between a scholarship player and club, but that has nothing to do with transfer fees, but minimum GPA requirements.

Scholarship players should give back so others can get the same benefit, but they rarely do.

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WST is a non profit.

Portland Timbers is for profit.

WST gave Rubio an opportunity to play. There is usually a contract between a scholarship player and club, but that has nothing to do with transfer fees, but minimum GPA requirements.

Scholarship players should give back so others can get the same benefit, but they rarely do.

You totally missed the point. FIFA had definitions as far as when a player can be sold for transfer fees and who can expect compensation. If a player pays to participate at a club, no compensation to that club. Where this is gray and the contract is important is Rubio was a scholarshipped player. If Westside had this as a do good for the community type scholarship and they were basically waiving fees they probably lose claim to compensation. If through the scholarship they ended up with Rubio's ITR that is where they could start making a claim for compensation. Realistically however they can probably only claim their costs. $2,000 per year times number of years.

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You totally missed the point. FIFA had definitions as far as when a player can be sold for transfer fees and who can expect compensation. If a player pays to participate at a club, no compensation to that club. Where this is gray and the contract is important is Rubio was a scholarshipped player. If Westside had this as a do good for the community type scholarship and they were basically waiving fees they probably lose claim to compensation. If through the scholarship they ended up with Rubio's ITR that is where they could start making a claim for compensation. Realistically however they can probably only claim their costs. $2,000 per year times number of years.

Who cares, MLS sucks. Bunch of washed up old timers.

[Unregistered]

Who cares, MLS sucks. Bunch of washed up old timers.

And young players not good enough for Europe.

[Unregistered]

You totally missed the point. FIFA had definitions as far as when a player can be sold for transfer fees and who can expect compensation. If a player pays to participate at a club, no compensation to that club. Where this is gray and the contract is important is Rubio was a scholarshipped player. If Westside had this as a do good for the community type scholarship and they were basically waiving fees they probably lose claim to compensation. If through the scholarship they ended up with Rubio's ITR that is where they could start making a claim for compensation. Realistically however they can probably only claim their costs. $2,000 per year times number of years.

This has nothing to do with MLS. You will have to find some other way to grouse about theTimbers.

[Unregistered]

Club compensation doesn't work when you have a pay to play model. This is WST and the Tumbers greed shining through. This only proves Cony's talk about being for the kids and not about money is just talk.

[Unregistered]

Club compensation doesn't work when you have a pay to play model. This is WST and the Tumbers greed shining through. This only proves Cony's talk about being for the kids and not about money is just talk.

This has nothing to do with the Timbers, WSM is seeking compensation as allowed in FIFA's international rues. You really eliminate any credibility you mint pretend to have when every other word out of your mouth is blaming the Timbers for something.

[Slow Xavi]

Club compensation doesn't work when you have a pay to play model. This is WST and the Tumbers greed shining through. This only proves Cony's talk about being for the kids and not about money is just talk.

The Timbers are not part of this "case"; there are broader implications for MLS, but neither them nor the Timbers are directly involved in this.

Read about Ajax's model - one Sneijder keeps their youth academy in business for a decade, all outside to pay-to-play model . . . that has to be a good thing right?

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The Timbers are not part of this "case"; there are broader implications for MLS, but neither them nor the Timbers are directly involved in this.

Read about Ajax's model - one Sneijder keeps their youth academy in business for a decade, all outside to pay-to-play model . . . that has to be a good thing right?

Exactly right! I have been trying to catch-up to the threads and was just about to type the exact same sentiment as I read yours.

The point is this. If a club get's paid but a pro team for their player (you know, a market driven solution - not taxes) where the highest bidder gets the services, then that club has operating income for the club. Imagine this... If WT did get paid for his services and then went and cut the costs of the entire club by 80% or, better yet, created 500 new scholarships, wouldn't that be a good model? As SX said earlier, this would force clubs to concentrate on development not winning.

About scholarships... sure would be nice if he gave back to the club that helped him develop so others could enjoy the same experience...

[Unregistered]

It's pretty simple...really. WST gave Rubio an opportunity. He got exposure through WST and a European club is reaping the fruits of that labor. There are many cases like this world wide and that is why FIFA put in the rules that they did. WST should be compensated. No rocket science. Pay to play, not pay to play, who cares?! WST was involved in his development and the rules state they should be compensated. Black and white....no gray area!