Eagleclaw?

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That's a fallacious argument, Sounders, xf and eagleclaw are starting with vastly different raw material. The best athletes and early bloomers go one way and the late bloomers and nonobviously great athletes go another. If the starting stock was the same for each of the programs then we'd really see whose training was best

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I’ve posed questions and facts, what have you added to the conversation?

I agree you posted questions and that they are meant to only question negative aspects of Eagleclaw. It adds as much value as my sarcastic comment. I am going to take a huge guess here that you have absolutely zero experience with Eagleclaw and are trying to simply post negative questions because you have a fiefdom to protect, or an opinion about your club that you hold close and feel the need to defend. Let me help you a bit here as I break down your post to point out your biased opinion and how it adds no value to the original poster asking about the club.

Question 1)

Developing individual players... who? Does any parent on this board have a child who has played professionally or at a top school and developed at Eagleclaw?

Ummmm ok so your measure of a newish club is to develop a professional or college player. That is your unbiased question that adds value to the forum???? So you are saying all clubs in the State of Washington should be compared to that metric. There are only a handful of clubs in the state that have developed a single professional. Eastside FC with Jordan Morris is a prime example. (Even though Morris would have a hard time competing in Europe due to his total lack of a left foot :) ). Can you answer me who Valor developed? Who Highline Premiere developed? Who ASE, Cascade, NPSA, hell any PSPL team developed. Not really a fair question directed at Eagleclaw. And please don't point out one small club with one player who went to a D1 school that was an anomoly at a small club. And I don't count non scholarship placements. Almost anyone who played through 12th grade can play in college without a scholarship. Now let's go through some of the WYS bigger clubs. EFC, Pac, XF, SU and WPFC have more success than other getting kids into college and maybe a pro or two. Yedlin and Morris for example. From my experience though, the kids that get scholarships have a drive to compete and get tons of outside training and switch clubs every few years so it would be hard to say a club was solely responsible for making them a pro or getting them a scholarship. So back to your question. Not really a useful one to ask but I get what you are trying to do.


Question 2)

They use to pay Ajax to use their name, then coerver, now Valencia.

So you are saying that as a question or a fact or what. Not really sure of your point of any value this adds. Almost all clubs in our area claim a partnership and that partnership is ever changing. Last time I checked XF jerseys now have an AS Roma crest. What happened to the EFC/SU Reign partnership. What happened to the EFC Sounders crest on the jerseys. etc.... Once again a no value "fact" you are trying to bring up.

Question 3)

Who are the coaches? https://www.eagleclawfc.org/teams What credentials would you use to determine whether Joe Campos would be good at developing your DS/DD?

Once again ask that question of any club in our area. Until you experience a coach at a club you are just another ignorant poster with zero data points. Last time I checked Pac and now WPFC employed Roy L who has a long thread dedicated just to his theft. Not only that, you obviously must think having an A-E license makes you a good coach. I can tell you for a fact we have had some good coaching from licensed coaches and some downright terrible coaching from A licensed coaches. My guess is many of the Eagleclaw coaches have US licenses as well ( sorry I am guessing on that one). In fact I should take the E license course this weekend just so you think I have credentials. And it would only take you 1 minute to do some internet searching to get a description of some of their coaches. Let me help you there.

Their director:
https://www.eagleclawfc.org/executive-director
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_Olson

A sample of coaches: (I am not doing all the work for you)

Amadou Sanyang:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amadou_Sanyang
Tao Shen:
https://www.bellevuecollege.edu/athl...ccer-programs/
Cam Vickers:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cameron_Vickers

In short all clubs in the area have coaches that are better and/or worse than Eagleclaw and you have to ask the same thing about the constantly rotating coach pool across PSPL and WYS clubs. It's clear you are trying to tear down the club vs asking value added questions.



Question 4)

He’s an attorney http://ashbaughbeal.com/bio/joe-campos , not some soccer savant.

Are you saying that there are no other coaches at any club in Washington state that have jobs outside of coaching. I don't know whether to call you the most simple minded fool on this forum or once again just someone with an axe to grind. Yes coaches have other jobs and this question has no value to determining whether and attorney can be a soccer savant. Have you met Joe? Have you had an intellectual debate on soccer with him and you won hands down? Have you created a youth soccer club from scratch in the toxic Washington youth soccer environment. My guess is your answer is no to all of those


My disclaimer before you think I am an insider for Eagleclaw. I have no affiliation to Eagleclaw and am just another parent that has been through a bunch of clubs and currently plays at a WYS soccer club. I am rooting for Eagleclaw to succeed though because our landscape needs to break the status quo. Someday, hopefully clubs like Eagleclaw are big enough to truly challenge the WYS monopoly. Until then I play monopoly.

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Interesting: https://twitter.com/joecampos/status...644509697?s=21

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Here's a video of the Eagleclaw 03 academy team from last year:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUMDSTmDNn0

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https://www.eagleclawfc.org/post/eag...of-sounders-fc

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I agree you posted questions and that they are meant to only question negative aspects of Eagleclaw. It adds as much value as my sarcastic comment. I am going to take a huge guess here that you have absolutely zero experience with Eagleclaw and are trying to simply post negative questions because you have a fiefdom to protect, or an opinion about your club that you hold close and feel the need to defend. Let me help you a bit here as I break down your post to point out your biased opinion and how it adds no value to the original poster asking about the club.

Question 1)


Ummmm ok so your measure of a newish club is to develop a professional or college player. That is your unbiased question that adds value to the forum???? So you are saying all clubs in the State of Washington should be compared to that metric. There are only a handful of clubs in the state that have developed a single professional. Eastside FC with Jordan Morris is a prime example. (Even though Morris would have a hard time competing in Europe due to his total lack of a left foot :) ). Can you answer me who Valor developed? Who Highline Premiere developed? Who ASE, Cascade, NPSA, hell any PSPL team developed. Not really a fair question directed at Eagleclaw. And please don't point out one small club with one player who went to a D1 school that was an anomoly at a small club. And I don't count non scholarship placements. Almost anyone who played through 12th grade can play in college without a scholarship. Now let's go through some of the WYS bigger clubs. EFC, Pac, XF, SU and WPFC have more success than other getting kids into college and maybe a pro or two. Yedlin and Morris for example. From my experience though, the kids that get scholarships have a drive to compete and get tons of outside training and switch clubs every few years so it would be hard to say a club was solely responsible for making them a pro or getting them a scholarship. So back to your question. Not really a useful one to ask but I get what you are trying to do.


Question 2)



So you are saying that as a question or a fact or what. Not really sure of your point of any value this adds. Almost all clubs in our area claim a partnership and that partnership is ever changing. Last time I checked XF jerseys now have an AS Roma crest. What happened to the EFC/SU Reign partnership. What happened to the EFC Sounders crest on the jerseys. etc.... Once again a no value "fact" you are trying to bring up.

Question 3)



Once again ask that question of any club in our area. Until you experience a coach at a club you are just another ignorant poster with zero data points. Last time I checked Pac and now WPFC employed Roy L who has a long thread dedicated just to his theft. Not only that, you obviously must think having an A-E license makes you a good coach. I can tell you for a fact we have had some good coaching from licensed coaches and some downright terrible coaching from A licensed coaches. My guess is many of the Eagleclaw coaches have US licenses as well ( sorry I am guessing on that one). In fact I should take the E license course this weekend just so you think I have credentials. And it would only take you 1 minute to do some internet searching to get a description of some of their coaches. Let me help you there.

Their director:
https://www.eagleclawfc.org/executive-director
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_Olson

A sample of coaches: (I am not doing all the work for you)

Amadou Sanyang:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amadou_Sanyang
Tao Shen:
https://www.bellevuecollege.edu/athl...ccer-programs/
Cam Vickers:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cameron_Vickers

In short all clubs in the area have coaches that are better and/or worse than Eagleclaw and you have to ask the same thing about the constantly rotating coach pool across PSPL and WYS clubs. It's clear you are trying to tear down the club vs asking value added questions.



Question 4)




Are you saying that there are no other coaches at any club in Washington state that have jobs outside of coaching. I don't know whether to call you the most simple minded fool on this forum or once again just someone with an axe to grind. Yes coaches have other jobs and this question has no value to determining whether and attorney can be a soccer savant. Have you met Joe? Have you had an intellectual debate on soccer with him and you won hands down? Have you created a youth soccer club from scratch in the toxic Washington youth soccer environment. My guess is your answer is no to all of those


My disclaimer before you think I am an insider for Eagleclaw. I have no affiliation to Eagleclaw and am just another parent that has been through a bunch of clubs and currently plays at a WYS soccer club. I am rooting for Eagleclaw to succeed though because our landscape needs to break the status quo. Someday, hopefully clubs like Eagleclaw are big enough to truly challenge the WYS monopoly. Until then I play monopoly.

Hilarious post. I have to hand it to you, I missed the coach from Skagit valley.

You obviously have very little local soccer knowledge, the only player you point to is Morris?

Which one of these players came from eagleclaw? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cate...hington_(state)

Which current Sounders Academy player originated from Eagleclaw?

I grew up playing soccer in this area, for teams you’ve never heard of that were merged into other clubs that now provide you and your DS/dd an opportunity to play.

Unlike you, I have followed eagleclaw since it’s very inception, including having my daughter train with eagleclaw when they use to have partner nights with Coerver. Unlike you, I’ve written checks to eagleclaw. DD wasn’t on the team, but they use to have programs that didn’t require you to be on the team.

Eagleclaw can’t challenge the monopoly. It is possible that PSPL could, but it won’t. Too many voices. The biggest threat to WYS has been DA and ECNL, but isn’t it telling that ECNL went to RCL teams and not PSPL?

I don’t hate eagleclaw. In fact, like you, I support all avenues enabling soccer. But it’s a joke to compare the structure and competitive level that WYS provides to that of PSPL, to include eagleclaw. In order for kids to have the opportunity to play in the highest division of soccer, the division has to have some exclusivity. Not every kid can play on the top team. Some kids get passed up, it’s unfortunate. This is where PSPL fills a need. Good for them.

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Hilarious post. I have to hand it to you, I missed the coach from Skagit valley.

You obviously have very little local soccer knowledge, the only player you point to is Morris?

Which one of these players came from eagleclaw? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cate...hington_(state)

Which current Sounders Academy player originated from Eagleclaw?

I grew up playing soccer in this area, for teams you’ve never heard of that were merged into other clubs that now provide you and your DS/dd an opportunity to play.

Unlike you, I have followed eagleclaw since it’s very inception, including having my daughter train with eagleclaw when they use to have partner nights with Coerver. Unlike you, I’ve written checks to eagleclaw. DD wasn’t on the team, but they use to have programs that didn’t require you to be on the team.

Eagleclaw can’t challenge the monopoly. It is possible that PSPL could, but it won’t. Too many voices. The biggest threat to WYS has been DA and ECNL, but isn’t it telling that ECNL went to RCL teams and not PSPL?

I don’t hate eagleclaw. In fact, like you, I support all avenues enabling soccer. But it’s a joke to compare the structure and competitive level that WYS provides to that of PSPL, to include eagleclaw. In order for kids to have the opportunity to play in the highest division of soccer, the division has to have some exclusivity. Not every kid can play on the top team. Some kids get passed up, it’s unfortunate. This is where PSPL fills a need. Good for them.

Oh, and btw, I’ve also been around long enough to have participated on soccer boards in which joe would directly engage. It’s great that you feel like you are talking about something new, but alas, you are wrong. This discussion regarding eagleclaw has been going on for years.

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I agree you posted questions and that they are meant to only question negative aspects of Eagleclaw. It adds as much value as my sarcastic comment. I am going to take a huge guess here that you have absolutely zero experience with Eagleclaw and are trying to simply post negative questions because you have a fiefdom to protect, or an opinion about your club that you hold close and feel the need to defend. Let me help you a bit here as I break down your post to point out your biased opinion and how it adds no value to the original poster asking about the club.

Question 1)


Ummmm ok so your measure of a newish club is to develop a professional or college player. That is your unbiased question that adds value to the forum???? So you are saying all clubs in the State of Washington should be compared to that metric. There are only a handful of clubs in the state that have developed a single professional. Eastside FC with Jordan Morris is a prime example. (Even though Morris would have a hard time competing in Europe due to his total lack of a left foot :) ). Can you answer me who Valor developed? Who Highline Premiere developed? Who ASE, Cascade, NPSA, hell any PSPL team developed. Not really a fair question directed at Eagleclaw. And please don't point out one small club with one player who went to a D1 school that was an anomoly at a small club. And I don't count non scholarship placements. Almost anyone who played through 12th grade can play in college without a scholarship. Now let's go through some of the WYS bigger clubs. EFC, Pac, XF, SU and WPFC have more success than other getting kids into college and maybe a pro or two. Yedlin and Morris for example. From my experience though, the kids that get scholarships have a drive to compete and get tons of outside training and switch clubs every few years so it would be hard to say a club was solely responsible for making them a pro or getting them a scholarship. So back to your question. Not really a useful one to ask but I get what you are trying to do.


Question 2)



So you are saying that as a question or a fact or what. Not really sure of your point of any value this adds. Almost all clubs in our area claim a partnership and that partnership is ever changing. Last time I checked XF jerseys now have an AS Roma crest. What happened to the EFC/SU Reign partnership. What happened to the EFC Sounders crest on the jerseys. etc.... Once again a no value "fact" you are trying to bring up.

Question 3)



Once again ask that question of any club in our area. Until you experience a coach at a club you are just another ignorant poster with zero data points. Last time I checked Pac and now WPFC employed Roy L who has a long thread dedicated just to his theft. Not only that, you obviously must think having an A-E license makes you a good coach. I can tell you for a fact we have had some good coaching from licensed coaches and some downright terrible coaching from A licensed coaches. My guess is many of the Eagleclaw coaches have US licenses as well ( sorry I am guessing on that one). In fact I should take the E license course this weekend just so you think I have credentials. And it would only take you 1 minute to do some internet searching to get a description of some of their coaches. Let me help you there.

Their director:
https://www.eagleclawfc.org/executive-director
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_Olson

A sample of coaches: (I am not doing all the work for you)

Amadou Sanyang:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amadou_Sanyang
Tao Shen:
https://www.bellevuecollege.edu/athl...ccer-programs/
Cam Vickers:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cameron_Vickers

In short all clubs in the area have coaches that are better and/or worse than Eagleclaw and you have to ask the same thing about the constantly rotating coach pool across PSPL and WYS clubs. It's clear you are trying to tear down the club vs asking value added questions.



Question 4)




Are you saying that there are no other coaches at any club in Washington state that have jobs outside of coaching. I don't know whether to call you the most simple minded fool on this forum or once again just someone with an axe to grind. Yes coaches have other jobs and this question has no value to determining whether and attorney can be a soccer savant. Have you met Joe? Have you had an intellectual debate on soccer with him and you won hands down? Have you created a youth soccer club from scratch in the toxic Washington youth soccer environment. My guess is your answer is no to all of those


My disclaimer before you think I am an insider for Eagleclaw. I have no affiliation to Eagleclaw and am just another parent that has been through a bunch of clubs and currently plays at a WYS soccer club. I am rooting for Eagleclaw to succeed though because our landscape needs to break the status quo. Someday, hopefully clubs like Eagleclaw are big enough to truly challenge the WYS monopoly. Until then I play monopoly.

Last point, I promise. Joe isn’t just a coach (is he licensed?), he’s also the executive director AND Technical Director. Yeah sorry, not familiar with any other Executive Directors/Technical Directors/Team coach that are also working as an attorney. Not saying they don’t exist...

I agree with you, licensing doesn’t necessarily = great coach. Nor does a college education = a great employee. But in the US and in Europe licensing is an important aspect of a coaching career, and a demonstration of a coaches professionalism and commitment to their profession.

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That's a fallacious argument, Sounders, xf and eagleclaw are starting with vastly different raw material. The best athletes and early bloomers go one way and the late bloomers and nonobviously great athletes go another. If the starting stock was the same for each of the programs then we'd really see whose training was best

I agree, but the fact is, as you say, the talent goes in one direction, and the rest go in another.

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Eagleclaw is a joke. Tried it out and found their messaging and vision to be smoke and mirrors.

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Eagleclaw is a joke. Tried it out and found their messaging and vision to be smoke and mirrors.

How did “messaging and vision” let down your DD/DS? How long was your DD/DS in the club? What age?

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Hilarious post. I have to hand it to you, I missed the coach from Skagit valley.

You obviously have very little local soccer knowledge, the only player you point to is Morris?

Which one of these players came from eagleclaw? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cate...hington_(state)

Which current Sounders Academy player originated from Eagleclaw?

I grew up playing soccer in this area, for teams you’ve never heard of that were merged into other clubs that now provide you and your DS/dd an opportunity to play.

Unlike you, I have followed eagleclaw since it’s very inception, including having my daughter train with eagleclaw when they use to have partner nights with Coerver. Unlike you, I’ve written checks to eagleclaw. DD wasn’t on the team, but they use to have programs that didn’t require you to be on the team.

Eagleclaw can’t challenge the monopoly. It is possible that PSPL could, but it won’t. Too many voices. The biggest threat to WYS has been DA and ECNL, but isn’t it telling that ECNL went to RCL teams and not PSPL?

I don’t hate eagleclaw. In fact, like you, I support all avenues enabling soccer. But it’s a joke to compare the structure and competitive level that WYS provides to that of PSPL, to include eagleclaw. In order for kids to have the opportunity to play in the highest division of soccer, the division has to have some exclusivity. Not every kid can play on the top team. Some kids get passed up, it’s unfortunate. This is where PSPL fills a need. Good for them.

Lol yes, You nailed me good. I have no soccer knowledge and have proven that explicitly on the internet. Thanks for setting me straight because you know me so well. :)

It's funny because I know alot of people who have been at Eagleclaw since it's inception and none of them bash it like you. Parents typically go to Eagleclaw because they have a bad experience at RCL or are looking for something different. They leave Eagleclaw typically because the teams didn't form the way they thought or they outgrew the program at the stage it was at. Especially at the very beginning when they were struggling to even have a girls team. Almost all of them, even after leaving, have fond things to say about the club and really want it to succeed. If all you did was take advantage of Coerver as a standalone training then you have no idea what Eagleclaw was about and you took no part in Eagleclaw training/teams and you have obviously not followed Eagleclaw to experience the changes and adaptations they have made since the early years. You only know what Coerver was about alongside the Eagleclaw kids. So please give me your Coerver review and I will listen (Even though we are in our fifth year of Coerver and have our own opinions). But I apologize thinking your Eagleclaw comments are idiotic.

And yes Morris is the current prime example in Washington State as the most notable pro to prove my point in which clubs in Washington State developed anybody. I believe he has the highest dollar value contract of anyone from WA as well. I would say that is the right single point example to use from WA. Did you want me to list every pro that has burned out along the years in WA, does one example serve to get the argument across or do you want a dissertation. Silly thing to dial in on from you. I do appreciate the broken link you posted though, you can drive to the category and actually see a few coaches that have coached at Eagleclaw in that list as well (and other WYS clubs as well). Also without me going through the entire list can you point out any of those people from Washington who have had a significant career outside the US. Yedlin is probably the closest but I haven't looked though it all.

And last time I checked you are not the only person that grew up in Washington state and played youth soccer since the 70s and went to Sounders games in Memorial stadium. It's a crazy stupid assumption to say something like that on the internet and not know who you are talking to. It's actually quite fun see your simple minded thought process work itself out. Please keep posting.

And once again who cares how it competes with WYS. I think Eagleclaw is trying to get the point across that the WYS club structure and training sucks. I would agree with that even though we are playing in a big WYS club. Not that every WYs coach and team training sucks but the majority do. How often have you heard your coach at your WYS club tell the kids they need to get outside technical training to keep up. Comparing games against each other at 7-14 years old is stupid. Compare what your kid has learned or is learning. Compare your kids experience. Compare the type of player your kid is becoming. Compare how they perform at indoor,futsal, pickup, toca, coerver, juggling and yes outdoor games. Compare how your kid behaves in a game, are they seeing the field, checking their shoulder, great first touch, using the whole field, playing possession....the list can go on forever. Or is your kid just heads down in a game trying to move the ball forward and your team can barely string together 2 passes forward. Look at it holistically and not just a silly WYS is stronger than PSPL argument because a WYS first team beat a Div1 PSPL team. Because yes, yes WYS is typically athletically stronger. We see the kick and run nonsense every weekend and how it blows through teams trying to play more technical. Eagleclaw seems to want to do it differently. Right or wrong they absolutely have a different training philosophy. If your understanding of the style of play your child wants aligns with that, then goto Eagleclaw if not then find a WYS club that wants to win at tournaments and drive who is stronger than who debates. If you did more than just the Coerver portion of Eagleclaw you would easily see that and probably sound more like the parents I mentioned above.

Wait I forgot to highlight the absolute stupidity of your statement asking if a Sounders academy player came from Eagleclaw. You are saying that is the measure of success for a 9 year old club? I would never send my kid to a club just because they have a kid at the Sounders academy. Here is your list of current players at the sounders academy.

https://www.soundersfc.com/academy/teams

So there you have it parents. Anyone not playing at one of those clubs on one of those teams where the boys came from should immediately quit their club and rush over to that list of clubs. I don't see Eastside FC on that list currently but I do see gunners. Chance Fry are you hearing this please fold your club and push all your kids to the gunners. A random internet poster said the Sounders Academy is the way we measure clubs now.

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Oh, and btw, I’ve also been around long enough to have participated on soccer boards in which joe would directly engage. It’s great that you feel like you are talking about something new, but alas, you are wrong. This discussion regarding eagleclaw has been going on for years.

I knew you sounded familiar....Tripleplay....Lol yes you jumped to the conclusion that no one else in the world has ever been apart of any other preexisting forum. Nice job. I should build you a "jump to conclusions mat" :)

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Originally Posted by Unregistered View Post
Eagleclaw is a joke. Tried it out and found their messaging and vision to be smoke and mirrors.

How did “messaging and vision” let down your DD/DS? How long was your DD/DS in the club? What age?

Yes I would like to know that as well. Please describe the joke. Please describe the messaging and vision and exactly how it let you down.

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Eagleclaw is a joke. Tried it out and found their messaging and vision to be smoke and mirrors.

Here’s the thing... we all respect your right to an opinion. However, not all opinions are respectable. The opinion you just posted is not respectable. For your opinion to have a chance of being respectable, I suggest you provide some facts. Otherwise, you are just a bomb thrower, a troll or both.