Thorns Academy 2014/15

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Did you read the questions because you are not responding to them?

Were the travel budgets displayed in detail? The ECNL supporters get hammered for projected costs but those were based upon actually expenses and were displayed in detail.

How will guarantee work? Will they take your money for travel until you have paid the $3,600 and the Timbers pay the rest thereafter? Is the cap/guarantee in writing for the players who have accepted a position?

If they expand to more ages what happens to the OYSA clubs and leagues at those ages?

Are you this stupid in everything? It's as if you go to a car dealer and he prices the car but you want to know the costs of each and every component. What part if " it's 3,600 and here is what you get" don't you understand? Their estimates might be $10,000 for the travel. Or they may be $1,000 for the travel. Either way the parents pay $3,600. Unbelievable how dense some people are.

Now about those rosters.......

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Are you this stupid in everything? It's as if you go to a car dealer and he prices the car but you want to know the costs of each and every component. What part if " it's 3,600 and here is what you get" don't you understand? Their estimates might be $10,000 for the travel. Or they may be $1,000 for the travel. Either way the parents pay $3,600. Unbelievable how dense some people are.

Now about those rosters.......

If your DD isn't on one of those rosters, why do you care?

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Are you this stupid in everything? It's as if you go to a car dealer and he prices the car but you want to know the costs of each and every component. What part if " it's 3,600 and here is what you get" don't you understand? Their estimates might be $10,000 for the travel. Or they may be $1,000 for the travel. Either way the parents pay $3,600. Unbelievable how dense some people are.

Now about those rosters.......

You "believe" what they are telling you eh?

You don't know how the money is going to flow and you only have their claims as proof that the "cap' is real but you don't have anything in writing!.

The ECNL haters are insisting that the experienced budgets are worthless so is it not fair to ask why short of a written guarantee from the Timbers a "cap" means anything?

Not hating on the Academy just want to know how they are going to put "the proof in the pudding?"

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If your DD isn't on one of those rosters, why do you care?

The hater is just waiting to point out that several offers were declined and a few teams are not currently full as proof that ECNL is a failure or won't work in Oregon.

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Oh yes like that is equivalent information that will have equivalent impact on how each program runs......priceless.

Actually, the rosters impact everyone as the entire age group is impacted. The prices only impact the Academy players who accepted. Your're correct, it isn't equivilent. Priceless and more lack of transparency by the ECNL clubs. What else are they hiding? Other costs?

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Did you read the questions because you are not responding to them?

Were the travel budgets displayed in detail? The ECNL supporters get hammered for projected costs but those were based upon actually expenses and were displayed in detail.

How will guarantee work? Will they take your money for travel until you have paid the $3,600 and the Timbers pay the rest thereafter? Is the cap/guarantee in writing for the players who have accepted a position?

If they expand to more ages what happens to the OYSA clubs and leagues at those ages?

Answers below:

Did you read the questions because you are not responding to them? no

Were the travel budgets displayed in detail? The ECNL supporters get hammered for projected costs but those were based upon actually expenses and were displayed in detail.
No details - payment plan to pay $3600 or pay all up front. No more, no less. All other costs absorbed by Timbers - and they plan on having a loss

How will guarantee work? Will they take your money for travel until you have paid the $3,600 and the Timbers pay the rest thereafter? Is the cap/guarantee in writing for the players who have accepted a position? Yes, all of this is in writing

If they expand to more ages what happens to the OYSA clubs and leagues at those ages?
this is what sucks for OPL and OYSA - because of ECNL and Thorns/Timbers Academy the leagues will be weak - but the overall goal will be reached and that is to send the best players to the top teams

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You "believe" what they are telling you eh?

You don't know how the money is going to flow and you only have their claims as proof that the "cap' is real but you don't have anything in writing!.

The ECNL haters are insisting that the experienced budgets are worthless so is it not fair to ask why short of a written guarantee from the Timbers a "cap" means anything?

Not hating on the Academy just want to know how they are going to put "the proof in the pudding?"

dude....the Thorns Academy is the first of its kind in the U.S. - no one has all the answers.
Plan on there being problems and at least 5 years to get the kinks out. Hopefully that answers everyone's questions.

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Actually, the rosters impact everyone as the entire age group is impacted. The prices only impact the Academy players who accepted. Your're correct, it isn't equivilent. Priceless and more lack of transparency by the ECNL clubs. What else are they hiding? Other costs?

I know that you and logic are strangers but how the CAP works affects not only the accepted players but those contemplating the program for next year. The ECNL programs are black and white with a very long track record. Pay the club fee and the travel costs which do vary. There is nothing hidden in the projected budgets unless your team makes it to the second round of the National playoffs and then you will have to pony up an extra $1,000 to go to Virginia.

On the other hand the Academy is a first time program and so far you have not been able to describe even the most basic monetary functions like how the payments for travel are going to be made and how the CAP kicks in or if it even exists in anything other than a press release.

If you have accepted a position for your DD on the Academy and you don't have these answers in writing just please admit you are acting on blind faith.

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dude....the Thorns Academy is the first of its kind in the U.S. - no one has all the answers.
Plan on there being problems and at least 5 years to get the kinks out. Hopefully that answers everyone's questions.

No reason to accept ambiguity. A professional organization anticipates these questions and should have discussed them with the parents BEFORE they were asked to accept offers.

Yes they will have maiden voyage issues but these are BASIC questions that should not be difficult to answer.

It might surprise you to know that I hope they do succeed in providing travel teams for the TA clubs. Why because the ECNL will have taken a majority of the parents and players who were the foundation of those teams previously and without them there would not be any opportunities for the better players whose parents didn't have the disposable income.

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The hater is just waiting to point out that several offers were declined and a few teams are not currently full as proof that ECNL is a failure or won't work in Oregon.

Actually, more like he was going to point out that ECNL is unproven and $10K is a big committment for an unproven product. Also, beyond that, ECNL needs to make some evaluations of the coaching choices they made.

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I know that you and logic are strangers but how the CAP works affects not only the accepted players but those contemplating the program for next year. The ECNL programs are black and white with a very long track record. Pay the club fee and the travel costs which do vary. There is nothing hidden in the projected budgets unless your team makes it to the second round of the National playoffs and then you will have to pony up an extra $1,000 to go to Virginia.

On the other hand the Academy is a first time program and so far you have not been able to describe even the most basic monetary functions like how the payments for travel are going to be made and how the CAP kicks in or if it even exists in anything other than a press release.

If you have accepted a position for your DD on the Academy and you don't have these answers in writing just please admit you are acting on blind faith.

Actually, me and my logic are fine however you are the one trying to make something out of nothing. It is actually written down, why do you think people keep quoting it. See, you are an outsider and talking about stuff you have no idea about. Again, you didn't have your dd tryout, probably a good thing for her and your egos, and so why this is an issue for you seems like your attempt to urinate into the wind. And you're doing a fine job of it. Talk about blind faith, you bought something that has no fixed cost and you are just hoping that it comes in at what they sold you. And furthermore, you hope that your team can stay up with the other teams. Something none of the ECNL clubs have proven. Even little Onyx couldn't stay up with them in San Diego. If Onyx is your poster child, what does that say for the rest of the teams? And the beauty of ECNL teams having small numbers is that if the Academy players so choose, they can guest play on ECNL teams and get some of that "exposure" and "competition". All at a very reduced cost.

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Actually, me and my logic are fine however you are the one trying to make something out of nothing. It is actually written down, why do you think people keep quoting it. See, you are an outsider and talking about stuff you have no idea about. Again, you didn't have your dd tryout, probably a good thing for her and your egos, and so why this is an issue for you seems like your attempt to urinate into the wind. And you're doing a fine job of it. Talk about blind faith, you bought something that has no fixed cost and you are just hoping that it comes in at what they sold you. And furthermore, you hope that your team can stay up with the other teams. Something none of the ECNL clubs have proven. Even little Onyx couldn't stay up with them in San Diego. If Onyx is your poster child, what does that say for the rest of the teams? And the beauty of ECNL teams having small numbers is that if the Academy players so choose, they can guest play on ECNL teams and get some of that "exposure" and "competition". All at a very reduced cost.

Nice try! You are a fool if you truly believe ^^

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Answers below:

Did you read the questions because you are not responding to them? no

Were the travel budgets displayed in detail? The ECNL supporters get hammered for projected costs but those were based upon actually expenses and were displayed in detail.
No details - payment plan to pay $3600 or pay all up front. No more, no less. All other costs absorbed by Timbers - and they plan on having a loss

How will guarantee work? Will they take your money for travel until you have paid the $3,600 and the Timbers pay the rest thereafter? Is the cap/guarantee in writing for the players who have accepted a position? Yes, all of this is in writing

If they expand to more ages what happens to the OYSA clubs and leagues at those ages?
this is what sucks for OPL and OYSA - because of ECNL and Thorns/Timbers Academy the leagues will be weak - but the overall goal will be reached and that is to send the best players to the top teams

Now how hard was that? TY

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Actually, me and my logic are fine however you are the one trying to make something out of nothing. It is actually written down, why do you think people keep quoting it. See, you are an outsider and talking about stuff you have no idea about. Again, you didn't have your dd tryout, probably a good thing for her and your egos, and so why this is an issue for you seems like your attempt to urinate into the wind. And you're doing a fine job of it. Talk about blind faith, you bought something that has no fixed cost and you are just hoping that it comes in at what they sold you. And furthermore, you hope that your team can stay up with the other teams. Something none of the ECNL clubs have proven. Even little Onyx couldn't stay up with them in San Diego. If Onyx is your poster child, what does that say for the rest of the teams? And the beauty of ECNL teams having small numbers is that if the Academy players so choose, they can guest play on ECNL teams and get some of that "exposure" and "competition". All at a very reduced cost.

So you are anticipating that the ECNL group will invite Academy players to guest play?

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So you are anticipating that the ECNL group will invite Academy players to guest play?

Maximum of two discovery players per ECNL team so, in theory, 4 U17's and 4 U16's from the Academy could also play for the ECNL teams. How likely is that? Who knows? Never say never...