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Earth to lunatic, all of the Ivies are D1 then you have Stanford and Duke that are in the top ten of the academic rankings and top 25 of the soccer rankings. There are plenty of options out there is a kid is smart and talented on a soccer field and to suggest that all of the athletes at those schools are essentially dumb jocks really is an ugly mischaracterization. If you want to follow that logic then all D3 athletes would fall into the same bucket, is that really what you want to say?

Oh, so you are still posting, huh, BTNT? Why did you force MCLA on a kid who could played for a much better D3?

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Oh, so you are still posting, huh, BTNT? Why did you force MCLA on a kid who could played for a much better D3?

If you've seen one D3 you've seen them all, right BTNT? They all look the same, no?

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Earth to lunatic, all of the Ivies are D1 then you have Stanford and Duke that are in the top ten of the academic rankings and top 25 of the soccer rankings. There are plenty of options out there is a kid is smart and talented on a soccer field and to suggest that all of the athletes at those schools are essentially dumb jocks really is an ugly mischaracterization. If you want to follow that logic then all D3 athletes would fall into the same bucket, is that really what you want to say?

All the Ivies aren't top teams are they? In the top 25 there's multiple schools that are not top academic programs - Arkansas? S Florida? Just below that, plenty more. The other poster is right that prospects that are both top players and top students aren't common. Some schools will have to make compromises for athletic admissions. Some good players won't get into top academics not matter how badly they may want it. No one said they're all dumb jocks, but they're also not all 4.2 GPA/1550 SAT students either. It's not black and white but very gray.

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So should NCAA Division 3 be abolished? Should kids not celebrate when they win a conference or national D3 title? What would you like them to do? You are amazing. How many times have you been told by dozens of people how totally ridiculous you are?

You know his tired azz line - those kids can reach D3 soccer without pricey clubs, can play rec and land a spot no problem blah blah blah. The reality is it just doesn't work that way at many D3 programs, especially if you don't want to be a bench warmer. If parents are "feeding the frenzy" of club soccer they're doing it because it many cases it's very much a necessity. Oh, and their kids love it, parents enjoy supporting them and by and large can afford it.

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You know his tired azz line - those kids can reach D3 soccer without pricey clubs, can play rec and land a spot no problem blah blah blah. The reality is it just doesn't work that way at many D3 programs, especially if you don't want to be a bench warmer. If parents are "feeding the frenzy" of club soccer they're doing it because it many cases it's very much a necessity. Oh, and their kids love it, parents enjoy supporting them and by and large can afford it.

Isn’t D3 supposed to be for the education? Why worry sooooo much about making the soccer treat if that isn’t the priority?

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You know his tired azz line - those kids can reach D3 soccer without pricey clubs, can play rec and land a spot no problem blah blah blah. The reality is it just doesn't work that way at many D3 programs, especially if you don't want to be a bench warmer. If parents are "feeding the frenzy" of club soccer they're doing it because it many cases it's very much a necessity. Oh, and their kids love it, parents enjoy supporting them and by and large can afford it.

There are maybe a handful of the 300+ D3 programs out there where making the roster and earning playing times involves more than just showing up being willing to play. At roughly 95% of the D3 schools all it actually takes is someone who wants to be there and has played a fair amount of soccer, though if they’re a good enough athlete for the level even that is not necessary. It’s the super competitive ISL type parents that push this false agenda that kids need to be playing at the highest club levels to make an impact at the D3 level. Those types tend to talk about how important academics are and then functionally make soccer a higher priority. Perhaps if their kids spent more time on their school work and less time on their soccer they might actually been able to get into an Ivy.

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Isn’t D3 supposed to be for the education? Why worry sooooo much about making the soccer treat if that isn’t the priority?

LOL. ALL college is supposed to be ab out the education. Your own self-created straw man over and over. Why do YOU care what WE do? It really is OK to be a D3 athlete.

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There are maybe a handful of the 300+ D3 programs out there where making the roster and earning playing times involves more than just showing up being willing to play. At roughly 95% of the D3 schools all it actually takes is someone who wants to be there and has played a fair amount of soccer, though if they’re a good enough athlete for the level even that is not necessary. It’s the super competitive ISL type parents that push this false agenda that kids need to be playing at the highest club levels to make an impact at the D3 level. Those types tend to talk about how important academics are and then functionally make soccer a higher priority. Perhaps if their kids spent more time on their school work and less time on their soccer they might actually been able to get into an Ivy.

False, false and false. If you want to say bottom 25%, fine. Run with that. But otherwise you are so far off it's sad....or funny...or sad...or funny and sad. Could have gotten in an Ivy? Maybe your kid could have gotten in a better school than MCLA??? Why do we have to get in a "better" school? You're a pig, BTNT.

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There are maybe a handful of the 300+ D3 programs out there where making the roster and earning playing times involves more than just showing up being willing to play. At roughly 95% of the D3 schools all it actually takes is someone who wants to be there and has played a fair amount of soccer, though if they’re a good enough athlete for the level even that is not necessary. It’s the super competitive ISL type parents that push this false agenda that kids need to be playing at the highest club levels to make an impact at the D3 level. Those types tend to talk about how important academics are and then functionally make soccer a higher priority. Perhaps if their kids spent more time on their school work and less time on their soccer they might actually been able to get into an Ivy.

Op here - I didn't say they had to play "top" club for D3, but generally some level is needed. Just playing HS or travel level can happen but not often and certainly not at any of the stronger D3 programs. Even then they will tend to be really good multipsport athletes, not anyone who played rec until 5th grade and decided to "give it a go" again.

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Op here - I didn't say they had to play "top" club for D3, but generally some level is needed. Just playing HS or travel level can happen but not often and certainly not at any of the stronger D3 programs. Even then they will tend to be really good multipsport athletes, not anyone who played rec until 5th grade and decided to "give it a go" again.

Funny how some back track here. So what level of club soccer is actually needed for the 95% of D3 soccer programs that really constitute what the D3 athletic experience is all about?

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LOL. ALL college is supposed to be ab out the education. Your own self-created straw man over and over. Why do YOU care what WE do? It really is OK to be a D3 athlete.

Such is true, but then when the need to magnify their abilities and try to out them on the same tier with low level D1 athletes? If it really is OK why not just smile at a seemingly disparaging comment and move on? Why do you care so much if it really is OK?

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I am so tired of PMAN flooding threads with his anti BTDT rhetoric. I am NOT BTDT. I was off TS this weekend, and now back on TS while folks prattle on conference calls.

Pman you make some very nice arguments but your delusional if a) you think it's not obvious that you are replying to yourself, b) you think we care about what happened 7 years ago on TS. It would be so nice if you focused on the actual content and just stopped with your "omg BTNT... " intros. I don't care about his motivation, many of his points are solid, as are yours.

I posted this earlier, but my take is that the very same people that value elite club soccer experiences, value elite college experiences. It's not really about soccer nor academics, it's about family experiences and inclusion in respected communities that signal our values and place in the social hierarchy ("National Showcases" "Elite LACs")

This is why is makes so much sense that any one family might directly compare HC and Bowdoin, Fordham or Middlebury, but never FSU and Trinity. It also makes sense that this is why we argue about it so much - because it's about status signaling, and each side needs to preserver their win - Academics First (D3), Scholly! (from a lesser school), It's D1 (w/o much money).

Can we all agree that the rare few who do get ALL THREE at places like Duke, UVA, or Stanford are deserving of everything they have achieved and are indeed special. The rest of us have fantastic kids that we all love and we have to make a decision balancing Affordability, Academics, Athletics, and Accessibility (travel). How one family balances vs. another is for no one to judge.

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Funny how some back track here. So what level of club soccer is actually needed for the 95% of D3 soccer programs that really constitute what the D3 athletic experience is all about?

It is false to suggest that "95%" of D3 is a uniform level.

As in D1, there are multiple levels of competitiveness. Top 10, top 25, top 50, top 100, etc.

Take a look at the schools your kid is interested in. Take a look at the club backgrounds of the starters. that should give you a pretty good idea.

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Such is true, but then when the need to magnify their abilities and try to out them on the same tier with low level D1 athletes? If it really is OK why not just smile at a seemingly disparaging comment and move on? Why do you care so much if it really is OK?

BTNT, yet again, hear this....I have never claimed anything about D1 or low D1. Some others have and it is very true that there are kids at the high end of D3 who could have both made rosters and actually played at low D1s. Smile and move on? Do you know how many disparaging posts you have made on this topic? Easily in the thousands. Now why can't you answer why YOU care so much. LOL, yet another day in a D3 thread for you. Now you'll come back and post for the millionth time that if they were smart enough for top D3 then they would have had plenty of good options at D1. But what if they are in fact just D3 caliber? Is it OK with you if they play D3? Or would you prefer that no one play D3? And why would you send your very highly trained soccer kid to a school where according to you they go out to the back of a local high school where the kids are smoking and a few agree to go play collegiate soccer with the Trailblazers?

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I am so tired of PMAN flooding threads with his anti BTDT rhetoric. I am NOT BTDT. I was off TS this weekend, and now back on TS while folks prattle on conference calls.

Pman you make some very nice arguments but your delusional if a) you think it's not obvious that you are replying to yourself, b) you think we care about what happened 7 years ago on TS. It would be so nice if you focused on the actual content and just stopped with your "omg BTNT... " intros. I don't care about his motivation, many of his points are solid, as are yours.

I posted this earlier, but my take is that the very same people that value elite club soccer experiences, value elite college experiences. It's not really about soccer nor academics, it's about family experiences and inclusion in respected communities that signal our values and place in the social hierarchy ("National Showcases" "Elite LACs")

This is why is makes so much sense that any one family might directly compare HC and Bowdoin, Fordham or Middlebury, but never FSU and Trinity. It also makes sense that this is why we argue about it so much - because it's about status signaling, and each side needs to preserver their win - Academics First (D3), Scholly! (from a lesser school), It's D1 (w/o much money).

Can we all agree that the rare few who do get ALL THREE at places like Duke, UVA, or Stanford are deserving of everything they have achieved and are indeed special. The rest of us have fantastic kids that we all love and we have to make a decision balancing Affordability, Academics, Athletics, and Accessibility (travel). How one family balances vs. another is for no one to judge.

Your last sentence says it all...and that's why (in part) BTNT is so despicable. He nver stops judging and disparaging. Never. So you defend all you want. And I absolutely have not responded to my own posts. You're insane if you think there aren't tons of folks who are sick and tired of his routine. Now order another pizza and let the guys out for a smoke. Conference call..too funny.