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    #31
    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
    If Thorns Academy has 25, what happens to the 7 that can't play on game days? Do they rotate not playing? If they ever play challenging teams do the 18 play equal minutes since Academy is only for development, not for winning?
    Some never play. Some get a couple minutes a year. I think everyone would agree that ECNL rosters are too large. If, as happened in prior years, the cross-over players were allowed or even encouraged to play on state teams you might have a better product. The pine riders get some game time and the patch. And as you can see in the pro ranks, no matter how good the training is you need some real game time to develop.

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      #32
      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
      You can't count your B and C teams that are getting destroyed in state too.

      I'm talking about actual talent. No one is going to tryout anymore because they don't believe the lies.
      What does that have to do with my post?

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        #33
        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
        At least 35 at 01 CU tryouts. At least 60 at 02 tryouts. Hard to count when there are that many running around.
        With that many players at tryouts, why are both of those CU teams last in their conference?

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          #34
          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
          With that many players at tryouts, why are both of those CU teams last in their conference?
          Those numbers aren't for the top team. They take all the lower end teams and their players who wouldn't even want to do that league and count them in it.

          If you actually count players that want to play and are good enough to play that isn't happening anymore

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            #35
            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
            If Thorns Academy has 25, what happens to the 7 that can't play on game days? Do they rotate not playing? If they ever play challenging teams do the 18 play equal minutes since Academy is only for development, not for winning?
            Anyone who has been around the block a while knows that as teams get older you take big rosters due to injury. Our TA team has 20 and we have not had more than 17 healthy players at any game or tournament. Thorns academy and ECNL teams taking larger rosters is just being smart. It also creates a high work ethic and eliminates complacency. It's not enough to make the team. You have to earn your spot in the top 18 each week or you don't play. This is Anson Dorrance 101 by the way.

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              #36
              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
              Anyone who has been around the block a while knows that as teams get older you take big rosters due to injury. Our TA team has 20 and we have not had more than 17 healthy players at any game or tournament. Thorns academy and ECNL teams taking larger rosters is just being smart. It also creates a high work ethic and eliminates complacency. It's not enough to make the team. You have to earn your spot in the top 18 each week or you don't play. This is Anson Dorrance 101 by the way.
              Nice to see TA focuses on injury prevention. NOT.

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                #37
                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                Anyone who has been around the block a while knows that as teams get older you take big rosters due to injury. Our TA team has 20 and we have not had more than 17 healthy players at any game or tournament. Thorns academy and ECNL teams taking larger rosters is just being smart. It also creates a high work ethic and eliminates complacency. It's not enough to make the team. You have to earn your spot in the top 18 each week or you don't play. This is Anson Dorrance 101 by the way.
                Isn't it the same players that tend to sit or not even suit for every game? Are any of the Thorns or Ecnl players truly leap frogging other players in playing time? Or do they just have to hope 7 of the 25 are always injured so the remaining can at least suit for the game?

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                  #38
                  Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                  Some never play. Some get a couple minutes a year. I think everyone would agree that ECNL rosters are too large. If, as happened in prior years, the cross-over players were allowed or even encouraged to play on state teams you might have a better product. The pine riders get some game time and the patch. And as you can see in the pro ranks, no matter how good the training is you need some real game time to develop.
                  At the ECNL clubs, the bubble players get a ton of PT with the "B" teams in OYSA, while still getting the 4 trainings per week. At Thorns Academy they just don't play at all, but for many of them, that's not a change from riding the pine at their former clubs.

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                    #39
                    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                    With that many players at tryouts, why are both of those CU teams last in their conference?
                    Because ECNL is a national level league and it's a whole different level than OYSA Premier Rec+.

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                      #40
                      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                      Isn't it the same players that tend to sit or not even suit for every game? Are any of the Thorns or Ecnl players truly leap frogging other players in playing time? Or do they just have to hope 7 of the 25 are always injured so the remaining can at least suit for the game?
                      I'm the OP with 20 on our roster with a TA club. Earlier comment implying TA clubs are somehow at fault for injuries are too stupid to acknowledge, unless you know a secret way to avoid concussions.

                      When our team was full strength, our coach told the bottom four that they would train with the premier team and get some playing opportunities with top team and some with B team. No complaints - they were getting more minutes by playing multiple games, and getting to train with the top players. Coach also made it clear that girls would be "sent" to play with B team if attendance and/or attitude was an issue and he followed through on that twice before we got slammed with injuries. If anyone is upset about this strategy they aren't saying so.

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                        #41
                        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                        I'm the OP with 20 on our roster with a TA club. Earlier comment implying TA clubs are somehow at fault for injuries are too stupid to acknowledge, unless you know a secret way to avoid concussions.

                        When our team was full strength, our coach told the bottom four that they would train with the premier team and get some playing opportunities with top team and some with B team. No complaints - they were getting more minutes by playing multiple games, and getting to train with the top players. Coach also made it clear that girls would be "sent" to play with B team if attendance and/or attitude was an issue and he followed through on that twice before we got slammed with injuries. If anyone is upset about this strategy they aren't saying so.
                        No one is talking about any Alliance club, we are discussing the Thorns Academy & Ecnl rosters and playing time. Ecnl bottom roster players can play games w/the club's OYSA premier teams so carrying a large roster doesn't seem to be an issue (just like your bottom players playing w/your B team). Thorns Academy have 25 on a roster and no B team so what happens to the 7 extra players come game time that can't even suit? What about players 15-18 on the game roster? Do they play equal minutes or mostly sit? Both ECNL & Thorns are extra money, time & travel. Is it really worth it for say players 15-25 (that's 11 players)? Thorns is supposed to be about development over wins so maybe they rotate sitting out and equalize the minutes. With fewer games, this would mean minutes spread thin for everyone. Anyone know?

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                          #42
                          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                          No one is talking about any Alliance club, we are discussing the Thorns Academy & Ecnl rosters and playing time. Ecnl bottom roster players can play games w/the club's OYSA premier teams so carrying a large roster doesn't seem to be an issue (just like your bottom players playing w/your B team). Thorns Academy have 25 on a roster and no B team so what happens to the 7 extra players come game time that can't even suit? What about players 15-18 on the game roster? Do they play equal minutes or mostly sit? Both ECNL & Thorns are extra money, time & travel. Is it really worth it for say players 15-25 (that's 11 players)? Thorns is supposed to be about development over wins so maybe they rotate sitting out and equalize the minutes. With fewer games, this would mean minutes spread thin for everyone. Anyone know?
                          My DD has several friends doing Thorns. She has heard they are decimated with injuries in the younger team including to several key players. Which is good for the pine riders. They also have many kids who played high school basketball and are doing track. So it seems like it isn't an issue - this year. Next year will likely be a different story if they stay healthy. Maybe they will take fewer players?

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                            #43
                            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                            My DD has several friends doing Thorns. She has heard they are decimated with injuries in the younger team including to several key players. Which is good for the pine riders. They also have many kids who played high school basketball and are doing track. So it seems like it isn't an issue - this year. Next year will likely be a different story if they stay healthy. Maybe they will take fewer players?
                            GDA will be much more serious. No outside sports and even HS soccer will be discouraged so should have fewer injuries. Also, FIFA substitution rules so only 14 total will be allowed to play in a game. GDA will play in its own league vs other GDA teams. Our GDA region is weak since the top N.Cal clubs are sticking with Ecnl. Even so, matchups will be much tougher than OYSA teams. Not a good situation at all for players 15-20/25. Much fewer games total too and no B team. Will be interesting to see who takes the risk. Could be a wasted year for some.

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                              #44
                              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                              GDA will be much more serious. No outside sports and even HS soccer will be discouraged so should have fewer injuries. Also, FIFA substitution rules so only 14 total will be allowed to play in a game. GDA will play in its own league vs other GDA teams. Our GDA region is weak since the top N.Cal clubs are sticking with Ecnl. Even so, matchups will be much tougher than OYSA teams. Not a good situation at all for players 15-20/25. Much fewer games total too and no B team. Will be interesting to see who takes the risk. Could be a wasted year for some.
                              For the freshman and older players, it's already been one wasted year. But parents and players get caught up in easy wins and don't see the writing on the wall. Take the giant striker on the younger team. She came from an Eastside team that couldn't win a thing. Never made it to finals in state cup, never even won a silly Oregon rec level tournament. So she joins forces with the striker and good defender/keeper from Salem and a few other strong players and now they beat all those old clubs that saw her cry when she got knocked out of state cup year after year. I feel bad for her because I'm sure she's a nice kid and was frustrated with years of futility. But she made the wrong choice and spent her entire freshman year sandbagging.

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                                #45
                                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                                With the recent failures of the US national women's team, the USSF is calling for better options for player development at the top end. The ECNL will definitely fade away nationally as the OPL did in Oregon, but how long will it last?
                                Longer than the GDA which is already failing before it's held it's first tryouts.

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