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    #16
    Its an intense rivalry certainly. But that said, what's US Soccer DA's motivation to get them to merge when they are adding teams elsewhere. Simply to take back a spot after giving out NYCFC and Cosmos slots? Why would DA care that they merge? Rivalry alone is not a rationale. For a while, one could think it was about NYSC securing fields, but that problem sounds like will be solved soon. So why merge?

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      #17
      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
      Its an intense rivalry certainly. But that said, what's US Soccer DA's motivation to get them to merge when they are adding teams elsewhere. Simply to take back a spot after giving out NYCFC and Cosmos slots? Why would DA care that they merge? Rivalry alone is not a rationale. For a while, one could think it was about NYSC securing fields, but that problem sounds like will be solved soon. So why merge?
      Back in June NYSC said there would be an announcement on permanent facilities but it hasn't happened yet. Is there any rumor as to where this will be?

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        #18
        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
        Its an intense rivalry certainly. But that said, what's US Soccer DA's motivation to get them to merge when they are adding teams elsewhere. Simply to take back a spot after giving out NYCFC and Cosmos slots? Why would DA care that they merge? Rivalry alone is not a rationale. For a while, one could think it was about NYSC securing fields, but that problem sounds like will be solved soon. So why merge?
        USSFs motivation is to merge underperforming full DAPs with DAPs that have partial programs.

        It allows them to keep the product strong by weeding out the underperforming DAPs and replacing with deserving partial programs.

        It improves the overall product with a net/net no new clubs in established areas. See Beachside merger with South Central Premier several years ago.

        It's something ECNL hasn't done

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          #19
          How do you get that FCW is "underperforming"? Didn't their U16 make the national playoffs this year and they just had a kid named conference-best. And alum McNamara was just named to national team. Their younger teams won some State cups this year and most of their teams finish solidly middle of pack or better in each respective division. Just because they have had some coaching turnouver doesn't make them "underperforming".

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            #20
            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
            How do you get that FCW is "underperforming"? Didn't their U16 make the national playoffs this year and they just had a kid named conference-best. And alum McNamara was just named to national team. Their younger teams won some State cups this year and most of their teams finish solidly middle of pack or better in each respective division. Just because they have had some coaching turnouver doesn't make them "underperforming".
            A bunch of those 16s were from CT due to Everton alliance. Watch most of them leave for greener pastures

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              #21
              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
              How do you get that FCW is "underperforming"? Didn't their U16 make the national playoffs this year and they just had a kid named conference-best. And alum McNamara was just named to national team. Their younger teams won some State cups this year and most of their teams finish solidly middle of pack or better in each respective division. Just because they have had some coaching turnouver doesn't make them "underperforming".
              McNamara got a call up to camp but he didn't make the 23 man roster. He last played for FCW in 2008 time frame. Not a good predictor for the "success" of FCW.

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                #22
                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                How do you get that FCW is "underperforming"? Didn't their U16 make the national playoffs this year and they just had a kid named conference-best. And alum McNamara was just named to national team. Their younger teams won some State cups this year and most of their teams finish solidly middle of pack or better in each respective division. Just because they have had some coaching turnouver doesn't make them "underperforming".
                But if the new coaching isn't as good as or better then over time it will have a negative impact. Some of the ones who left were well liked.

                Also it isn't just about market density. Non MLS clubs cannot keep their top players - they get picked up by MLS clubs. Even just losing a few players to MLS not only hurts team performance but perpetuates the perception that non MLS isn't as good. FCW will continue to lose players to NYCFC and even Red Bulls. Yes it's a big market but there's two free-to-play clubs right in their back yard. Players on the bubble or the ones who don't want to give up HS can go to NYSC, MSC or other solid clubs.

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                  #23
                  Coaches at NYSC r telling families that they will b getting full DA status as early as next year.

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                    #24
                    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                    Coaches at NYSC r telling families that they will b getting full DA status as early as next year.
                    Well, they couldn't possibly know that right now, so at best they're misleading, at worst they're lying.

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                      #25
                      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                      Well, they couldn't possibly know that right now, so at best they're misleading, at worst they're lying.
                      Well maybe they know they're APPLYING? lol. Take promises like that from any club with massive doses of salt.

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                        #26
                        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                        Coaches at NYSC r telling families that they will b getting full DA status as early as next year.
                        They have been telling their families that for years. Fake news.

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                          #27
                          well NYSC was 1 of only 7 clubs who were granted U15 expanded academy status last year. they have produced 7 USNT players last few years and head was named director/coach of the year last year. I think empty promises more an issue at FC. I think chances pretty good NYSC will eventually get the U16 and u18 academy with that record.

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                            #28
                            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                            well NYSC was 1 of only 7 clubs who were granted U15 expanded academy status last year. they have produced 7 USNT players last few years and head was named director/coach of the year last year. I think empty promises more an issue at FC. I think chances pretty good NYSC will eventually get the U16 and u18 academy with that record.
                            I think they will. Question is will they need to wait until FCW loses theirs

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                              #29
                              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                              I think they will. Question is will they need to wait until FCW loses theirs
                              FCW isn't a top club but it isn't bottom of the barrel all the time either. Usually relegation is for consistently underperforming clubs that have been on probation. But the two clubs are very close geographically making it difficult to justify having both

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                                #30
                                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                                They have been telling their families that for years. Fake news.
                                Agree. The other bit you hear from them is that they will have their own fields. Heard that first 5 years ago ... (fields were going to be on the owner's land in Bedford) ... and it still comes up now and again.

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