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    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
    Looks like we have one of those snake oil coaches with hurt feelings. Pound sand loser. That post is the most truthful post you will find on TS.
    That's the second time you've endorsed your own post. You're not fooling anyone with your sock-puppets.

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      1. You aren’t convincing anyone of anything on this chat room.
      2. If it makes you feel good to type your opinions, by all means. But see #1 above.
      3. If you want to snipe at a team, parent or club. Yeah, this is a good place for that.
      4. Cutting down ECNL, travel teams and Thorns is pretty much the only good thing here. Special shout out to the legendary FCP ECNL 01/02 girls parents.

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        It looks like we hooked a coach!

        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
        Utter horse manure. Obviously written by a scamming coach or DOC trying to peddle the nonsense that if your kiddo isn't hopping on a bus or plane every other month or so to go kick a soccer ball around, that they aren't "developing", and that only travel soccer (and the clubs that have "access" to permanent travel leagues) can adequately prepare a player for... what, I'm not entirely sure.

        The money in youth soccer isn't with the B-team player playing $1500 a year, plus uniform fees, plus per diem for the road trips to Eugene. The big money in youth soccer is the rich parents who will send five times that amount on personal trainers, on airline tickets, and so forth.
        This is big lie local clubs want you to believe. Clubs don’t make a dime from travel. That money goes to the airlines and hotels. It is as simple as that.

        Additionally, B and C players pay the same and get even worse coaches (this is fact) than A teams who are paid less. Another simple fact in youth soccer. They are more profitable.

        More horse pucky. Players develop every time they touch the damn ball. If the player is juggling in the driveway, or against a wall, or taking shots on an empty net in the park, he or she is developing. Playing pickup games with friends and neighbors or at a park with a pickup culture = developing, especially if the games involve older players. At practice = developing, whether it's doing drills, light scrimmages with the team, or more formal scrimmages against another team. And yes, development happens in games. But the moron who barfed the above rant in this forum would have us all believe that no development happens unless a player flies to California. Ridiculous.

        This is like a music teacher saying that musicians don't develop with solo practice, or at music lessons, or at rehearsals with a group, or even jamming with buddies in the garage--that they only "develop" when performing before an audience. Which is complete nonsense. But then, music teachers generally aren't out trying to steal each others' students, nor making promises like "if you train with me, I'll get you booked at Carnegie Hall".

        Many professional academies--the places run by pro clubs who know what they are doing, and who have a vested interest in producing players (and aren't taking their money), don't bother much with games, or view them as secondary, a yardstick of progress. They know the value in their program is the training, which at that level is extensive.

        If a coach tells you that you can only "develop" by playing in Surf Cup or some showcase, that coach is a liar.
        Practice practice practice practice practice.... that’s all you need. Just keep practicing. Wrong!

        You missed the point entirely. Coaches will bluster about how all of a child’s development occurs during practice and why that is what matters, and what you are paying for is practice when they make excuses for never playing little Johnny or Susie. This is particularly the case when they used your son or daughter as a filler to bring in those needed $1,500 club fees. Practice and “develop” during the week, then sit and watch the same 11-12 play on the weekends while the rest get 5, maybe 10 minutes a game. That is not development and never believe a coach selling this BS. Practice without real game experience is just practice and not real development because it is missing the most important piece: putting everything together, playing under pressure and learning how to win. It is that simple. This is one of the big lies in youth soccer and where DOCs make their money.

        Lastly, practice, and lots of it, is mandatory. That said, practice without effective game time is worthless because you are never exercising what you have learned from all that practice.

        ECNL has league play. OYSA has league play. ECNL has tournaments and showcases that are mandatory. OYSA teams can travel, or not, as they like. In ECNL league play, they also see the same teams over and over again--and since it's a closed league, without teams moving up and down between the levels, you're more likely to see the same teams over and over again.

        Here we finally have some truth--ECNL is indeed optimized for college recruiting. Of course, of that 90%, a lot of them are playing for Grand Canyon College or some diploma mill that has a soccer team. Which might not be a bad way to go if you want to extend your playing career as long as possible, and get a free education, even if it isn't a very good one; but it's not for everyone.
        Typical inaccurate exaggerations. You people really need to some up with something new..... A lot of the thousands of girls end up playing at Grand Canyon College. Try harder.

        You are also resorting to the typical BS that if it isn’t a top school, it doesn’t matter. The truth is that the school a player chooses to attend and play soccer is what matters to them and that is what’s important. The coaches ego doesn’t matter. Lastly, ECNL players fill the ranks of all schools from the best to the worst. This is the truth.

        But the biggest scammers and swindlers are a) the travel leagues, who are peddling access to the NCAA, and soaking rich parents in the process, b) the one-man-band clubs, run by talented grifters who usually can coach well, but if you're in the club but not playing for his team, you're probably getting ripped off, and c) the personal-training rackets that are constantly asking for more money for "privates" and flying off to Brazil or Spain for the "experience". The neighborhood clubs that limit out-of-state travel, play in OYSA, and are reasonably priced, are a very good value in comparison.
        Classic snake oil sales pitch. Let’s keep everyone local and not reach to get better which means finding better competition. Let’s not change and work to make things better. Recognize the tired and broken mentality here?

        FYI travel leagues are not unique to soccer. Most top competitive sports travel, spending as much and more than travel soccer. Additionally, travel leagues (with the exception of the GDA) consistently play better competition than you will find locally. The obvious exception is California (another bluster you will hear from coaches), but the rest of the country doesn’t live in California. So traveling to consolidated talent and competition will yield better experience and better results. This is fact.

        The truth of the matter is that clubs who don’t have access to leagues like ECNL will do and say anything to dissuade people from perusing those opportunities because it all boils down to those $1,500 payments and coaches egos. Most DOCs and coaches don’t give a rip about your child. It is about them, their pay and their egos.

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          Mostly agree with the original poster. However, if the end goal is simply college soccer, playing Oysa hasn’t stopped anyone...although I don’t know of an Oysa to college player that didn’t travel a ton. Ecnl (and GDA before it folded) were better in regards to consistently playing new and generally higher level competition. I think it is but I guess it could be argued whether this is this better for development, but there’s no argument that it’s definitely a lot more fun for sure. Playing the same teams over and over and over year after year after year is so boring. Especially when 7 of the teams have the same uniform except for the patch is slightly different.

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            The truth of the matter is that clubs who don’t have access to leagues like ECNL will do and say anything to dissuade people from perusing those opportunities because it all boils down to those $1,500 payments and coaches egos. Most DOCs and coaches don’t give a rip about your child. It is about them, their pay and their egos.
            Going through neighborhood club and coaching has been mediocre to good (never terrible, never great).

            But I have never felt that my kids weren't cared for by their coaches; across the board there has been general interest in my kids as soccer players and human beings. Just one neighborhood club experience.

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              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
              Going through neighborhood club and coaching has been mediocre to good (never terrible, never great).

              But I have never felt that my kids weren't cared for by their coaches; across the board there has been general interest in my kids as soccer players and human beings. Just one neighborhood club experience.
              OP here. When I say coaches don’t care about the kids, I am referring to a coach who genuinely cares enough to identify a player and recommend them to a more competitive program if they are unable to meet the player’s needs or that player has the ability to achieve more.

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                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                OP here. When I say coaches don’t care about the kids, I am referring to a coach who genuinely cares enough to identify a player and recommend them to a more competitive program if they are unable to meet the player’s needs or that player has the ability to achieve more.
                Far too many coaches believe their own club/team is the most competitive in the state, and get offended if you ever suggest otherwise.

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                  Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                  Far too many coaches believe their own club/team is the most competitive in the state, and get offended if you ever suggest otherwise.
                  Sure but far too many know it alls feel entitled to tell other teams/clubs how they should operate.

                  From US Soccer (well at least before they ran out of money) all the way down to t-s experts.

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                    Look it’s one thing to create a new league for clubs out of market demand and necessity (like ECNL) and another thing to create one to accommodate clubs who don’t meet with the basic criteria to qualify for the state youth associations due to things like poor financials, lack of oversight, etc. This league is the latter. That speaks for itself.

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                      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                      Look it’s one thing to create a new league for clubs out of market demand and necessity (like ECNL) and another thing to create one to accommodate clubs who don’t meet with the basic criteria to qualify for the state youth associations due to things like poor financials, lack of oversight, etc. This league is the latter. That speaks for itself.
                      Exactly.

                      Grifters gonna grift

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                        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                        Exactly.

                        Grifters gonna grift
                        Not all clubs in OPL are grifters--many of them are inexpensive clubs serving lower-income communities, essentially providing classic-level (though probably not premier) soccer at rec prices. PCFC, for instance.

                        https://www.socceramerica.com/public...mmunity-f.html


                        It's actually a shame that they're having to cast their lot with MJ and company. Not sure if OYSA is simply too expensive, or has too many rules considering clubs' financial stability. OYSA should probably have a "low-income" tier, for clubs that meet certain criteria around fees and budget, and have things like registration fees waived or reduced. The rules should be keeping out the sharks, not keeping out the community clubs on tight budgets.

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                          What ?

                          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                          Not all clubs in OPL are grifters--many of them are inexpensive clubs serving lower-income communities, essentially providing classic-level (though probably not premier) soccer at rec prices. PCFC, for instance.

                          https://www.socceramerica.com/public...mmunity-f.html


                          It's actually a shame that they're having to cast their lot with MJ and company. Not sure if OYSA is simply too expensive, or has too many rules considering clubs' financial stability. OYSA should probably have a "low-income" tier, for clubs that meet certain criteria around fees and budget, and have things like registration fees waived or reduced. The rules should be keeping out the sharks, not keeping out the community clubs on tight budgets.
                          OYSA doesn't set club pricing. Many clubs in OYSA have very low price point THELO in Clackamas.

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                            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                            Not all clubs in OPL are grifters--many of them are inexpensive clubs serving lower-income communities, essentially providing classic-level (though probably not premier) soccer at rec prices.
                            Don't forget than many clubs in this opl v.2 are grifters to their core, essentially offering recreational-level soccer coaching at private training prices.

                            We are are the outhouse premier league, v.2.

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                              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                              OYSA doesn't set club pricing. Many clubs in OYSA have very low price point THELO in Clackamas.
                              I know. The suggestion was that clubs who cap their own dues/fees (say below $800 a year) and agree to other restrictions on conduct (club coaches may not offer private training or other services to club members for a fee) can get reduced registration fees, league/cup entry fees from OYSA.

                              Of course were that to happen, certain rich clubs would start whining about how unfair it is, like Romney complaining about the 47%.

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                                No sense

                                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                                I know. The suggestion was that clubs who cap their own dues/fees (say below $800 a year) and agree to other restrictions on conduct (club coaches may not offer private training or other services to club members for a fee) can get reduced registration fees, league/cup entry fees from OYSA.

                                Of course were that to happen, certain rich clubs would start whining about how unfair it is, like Romney complaining about the 47%.
                                Why would they get reduces OYSA fees. OYSA is basically a registering body. Their cost do not go down. The Timbers League cost are the same no matter the club. (don't forget in OYSA you can setup another youth league.)

                                In the over scheme of things the league cost and state cup cost are not the main drivers in the club cost broken down by the player.

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