Rumor about a premier league replacing OYSA

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Which is the norm for any for-profit business intersecting or in this case taking over completely the day to day operation of a statewide membership non-profit (OYSA) organization, leagues, cups, odp & rtc.This is when lines get blurred in so called 'public-private' endeavors. The one you refer to is just a silly shell con game.

Same goes for the local area non-profit community mission based clubs that are chasing ppp $$ for payroll for coaches who can't coach during covid-19 shutdown and are asking for upfront registration fees from members for the next seasonl year, when their isn't even a next year to sell yet.. Disgusting but monkey see, monkey do.

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Sensibility in youth club soccer in Oregon? Thanks for the laugh.

I’ve try. Your logic is broken at best.

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I’ve try. Your logic is broken at best.

Logic has never been part of the youth club soccer sickness in Oregon.

Just $$$$ for nothing.

Same as it ever was.

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The Problem

The problem with the opl model is they rely on the clubs to manage the entire league. OYSA out sources these functions to the Timbers.

The first version of the opl had eight large clubs that could be resources to the table to accomplish all of the administrative tasks

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I’ve try. Your logic is broken at best.

I am not sure you are arguing with whom you think.

But constantly taking swipes at folks trying to navigate the current crisis. Par for the course I guess.

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Logic has never been part of the youth club soccer sickness in Oregon.

Just $$$$ for nothing.

Same as it ever was.

This isn’t an Oregon problem. It is a problem across the country. The difference with Oregon is that we have been overrun with incompetent DOCs who’s club boards fail to hold them accountable. This results in lazy and poor coaching. Oregon doesn’t lack talented players. Oregon lacks talented and motivated coaches.

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I am not sure you are arguing with whom you think.

But constantly taking swipes at folks trying to navigate the current crisis. Par for the course I guess.

Fair point. Here are the cliff notes...

Timbers have been bad for Oregon soccer making it more divisive than any time in the past. The Timbers have a secret contract with OYSA to both brand leagues and run them. Don’t believe me? Ask OYSA, who is a non profit and we are members, to see that contract. They will say they can’t due to language the Timbers put into it.

There isn’t much difference between clubs anymore with the exception of ECNL and the now defunct DA/GDA so pick one in your neighborhood. Clubs will name programs “academies” and “elite” this or that. Until you’re competing out of the state you’re just playing local soccer, hitting the local tournament racket (this circle jerk agreement between clubs to make more money), and maybe an out of state tournament (best completion you will get). Coaches will poo poo travel leagues because they don’t have access to them and every player on their team brings in $1,500 give or take to their club. They will say anything to get you on their team if your child is a player they want or they need to fill their roster. There is zero integrity in this process. Snake oil salesman is the most accurate description. Lastly, coaches hate seeing their best players move on to better programs because, at the end of the day, it is about them. Coaches are not truthfully looking out for your child. They want the best players so they can win even if that means holding your child back with empty promises.

Practice is NOT where players develop. This is complete nonsense. Practice is where players practice. Games are where players develop. Imagine going to school and never having tests. It is the same with soccer, where games are the tests. Games are where players develop composure, executing what they have learned at practice under real pressure, with players really kicking and hitting them (soccer is a contact sport). This is where players develop speed of play, creativity to break teams down and learn how to make plays happen. They learn how to win. Games are where players separate themselves. Lastly, you only develop game fitness playing games. There is no exception. Any coach who tell you different is selling snake oil and looking for your $1,500.

Travel leagues like ECNL are expensive! It is costs a lot to travel. The huge benefit is that players play teams they have never seen before and they have to adapt. This is important for development. You play the same 10 teams and players year after year in OYSA with the occasional new team when you travel to a tournament. This quickly becomes predictable and limits development.

ECNL is not the only pathway to college but it is the most effective pathway. The league is oriented around the college recruitment process and your daughter will get far more exposure and regularly play against other college bound players because 90%+ players in ECNL end up playing in some level of college soccer.

College soccer isn’t Just about playing at top D1 programs (another thing these snake oil coaches poo poo if you don’t). There is a lot of money in lower ranked D1 schools and D2, and NAIA. Even then, it isn’t just about the money, it is (or should be) for the love of the game and if your son or daughter walks on and has the opportunity to play in college - WIN! Collegiate sports are a great experience and a lot of work! Oh yea.... college is about education first and foremost since that is what pays the bills after college.

Soccer is not an investment. Any parent who thinks this way is a fool. Soccer is a sport your child should play because they love the game. This is another problem with all clubs, they are too sterile. Kids need to play more unstructured soccer outside practice. Clubs are a structured grind so too many kids don’t want to play outside practice because the joy isn’t there.

Lastly, enjoy the time your child plays soccer. It goes by too fast and it is easy to get wound up over it. Your child will achieve what they are capable of achieving and willing to work for. They are both required.. Remember that there is absolutely nothing wrong playing second or third division or rec soccer as long as your child is motivated and loving the game and they are achieving their goals (like getting better).

I will end saying I can’t not take swipes at the coaching racket in Oregon. It is so so bad and absolutely what is holding oregon players and team success back. I don’t have anything productive to offer on the topic because nothing will change until boards find their spines and start holding their DOCs accountable.

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Is there a list of clubs and teams for this league beside the original press release? Have clubs pulled out as rumored? OUFC will have the most state championships in history in two years! It can go along with the national championship they keep talking about.

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Is there a list of clubs and teams for this league beside the original press release? Have clubs pulled out as rumored? OUFC will have the most state championships in history in two years! It can go along with the national championship they keep talking about.

There has been no new release besides what they said at the beginning. The reason is, nobody is signing up for leagues until after teams are formed and they collect money. Don't expect many new clubs (especially top ones) to join. This league was formed for 1 reason and 1 reason only, so MJ and Soccerchance have somewhere to play. The divisions are going to be lopsided due to lack of teams.

There is a huge difference between this OPL and the original one, and its the reason its being created. The original one was created because all the big clubs got together and wanted structural changes about how the league was ran, and OYSA wouldn't agree to them. This one is being pieced together so they don't have to play PSPL anymore.

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There has been no new release besides what they said at the beginning. The reason is, nobody is signing up for leagues until after teams are formed and they collect money. Don't expect many new clubs (especially top ones) to join. This league was formed for 1 reason and 1 reason only, so MJ and Soccerchance have somewhere to play. The divisions are going to be lopsided due to lack of teams.

There is a huge difference between this OPL and the original one, and its the reason its being created. The original one was created because all the big clubs got together and wanted structural changes about how the league was ran, and OYSA wouldn't agree to them. This one is being pieced together so they don't have to play PSPL anymore.

Do the 8 red cards in one year in the original OPL transfer to the new OPL? Did he serve his suspension or will that carry over too? Or is he in charge of the new OPL?

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Fair point. Here are the cliff notes...

Timbers have been bad for Oregon soccer making it more divisive than any time in the past. The Timbers have a secret contract with OYSA to both brand leagues and run them. Don’t believe me? Ask OYSA, who is a non profit and we are members, to see that contract. They will say they can’t due to language the Timbers put into it.

There isn’t much difference between clubs anymore with the exception of ECNL and the now defunct DA/GDA so pick one in your neighborhood. Clubs will name programs “academies” and “elite” this or that. Until you’re competing out of the state you’re just playing local soccer, hitting the local tournament racket (this circle jerk agreement between clubs to make more money), and maybe an out of state tournament (best completion you will get). Coaches will poo poo travel leagues because they don’t have access to them and every player on their team brings in $1,500 give or take to their club. They will say anything to get you on their team if your child is a player they want or they need to fill their roster. There is zero integrity in this process. Snake oil salesman is the most accurate description. Lastly, coaches hate seeing their best players move on to better programs because, at the end of the day, it is about them. Coaches are not truthfully looking out for your child. They want the best players so they can win even if that means holding your child back with empty promises.

Practice is NOT where players develop. This is complete nonsense. Practice is where players practice. Games are where players develop. Imagine going to school and never having tests. It is the same with soccer, where games are the tests. Games are where players develop composure, executing what they have learned at practice under real pressure, with players really kicking and hitting them (soccer is a contact sport). This is where players develop speed of play, creativity to break teams down and learn how to make plays happen. They learn how to win. Games are where players separate themselves. Lastly, you only develop game fitness playing games. There is no exception. Any coach who tell you different is selling snake oil and looking for your $1,500.

Travel leagues like ECNL are expensive! It is costs a lot to travel. The huge benefit is that players play teams they have never seen before and they have to adapt. This is important for development. You play the same 10 teams and players year after year in OYSA with the occasional new team when you travel to a tournament. This quickly becomes predictable and limits development.

ECNL is not the only pathway to college but it is the most effective pathway. The league is oriented around the college recruitment process and your daughter will get far more exposure and regularly play against other college bound players because 90%+ players in ECNL end up playing in some level of college soccer.

College soccer isn’t Just about playing at top D1 programs (another thing these snake oil coaches poo poo if you don’t). There is a lot of money in lower ranked D1 schools and D2, and NAIA. Even then, it isn’t just about the money, it is (or should be) for the love of the game and if your son or daughter walks on and has the opportunity to play in college - WIN! Collegiate sports are a great experience and a lot of work! Oh yea.... college is about education first and foremost since that is what pays the bills after college.

Soccer is not an investment. Any parent who thinks this way is a fool. Soccer is a sport your child should play because they love the game. This is another problem with all clubs, they are too sterile. Kids need to play more unstructured soccer outside practice. Clubs are a structured grind so too many kids don’t want to play outside practice because the joy isn’t there.

Lastly, enjoy the time your child plays soccer. It goes by too fast and it is easy to get wound up over it. Your child will achieve what they are capable of achieving and willing to work for. They are both required.. Remember that there is absolutely nothing wrong playing second or third division or rec soccer as long as your child is motivated and loving the game and they are achieving their goals (like getting better).

I will end saying I can’t not take swipes at the coaching racket in Oregon. It is so so bad and absolutely what is holding oregon players and team success back. I don’t have anything productive to offer on the topic because nothing will change until boards find their spines and start holding their DOCs accountable.

By far the best post that I have read on this sorry blog. Thanks!!

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By far the best post that I have read on this sorry blog. Thanks!!

Well if you read at the kindergarten level, your opinion is solid.

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Fair point. Here are the cliff notes...

Timbers have been bad for Oregon soccer making it more divisive than any time in the past. The Timbers have a secret contract with OYSA to both brand leagues and run them. Don’t believe me? Ask OYSA, who is a non profit and we are members, to see that contract. They will say they can’t due to language the Timbers put into it.

There isn’t much difference between clubs anymore with the exception of ECNL and the now defunct DA/GDA so pick one in your neighborhood. Clubs will name programs “academies” and “elite” this or that. Until you’re competing out of the state you’re just playing local soccer, hitting the local tournament racket (this circle jerk agreement between clubs to make more money), and maybe an out of state tournament (best completion you will get). Coaches will poo poo travel leagues because they don’t have access to them and every player on their team brings in $1,500 give or take to their club. They will say anything to get you on their team if your child is a player they want or they need to fill their roster. There is zero integrity in this process. Snake oil salesman is the most accurate description. Lastly, coaches hate seeing their best players move on to better programs because, at the end of the day, it is about them. Coaches are not truthfully looking out for your child. They want the best players so they can win even if that means holding your child back with empty promises.

Practice is NOT where players develop. This is complete nonsense. Practice is where players practice. Games are where players develop. Imagine going to school and never having tests. It is the same with soccer, where games are the tests. Games are where players develop composure, executing what they have learned at practice under real pressure, with players really kicking and hitting them (soccer is a contact sport). This is where players develop speed of play, creativity to break teams down and learn how to make plays happen. They learn how to win. Games are where players separate themselves. Lastly, you only develop game fitness playing games. There is no exception. Any coach who tell you different is selling snake oil and looking for your $1,500.

Travel leagues like ECNL are expensive! It is costs a lot to travel. The huge benefit is that players play teams they have never seen before and they have to adapt. This is important for development. You play the same 10 teams and players year after year in OYSA with the occasional new team when you travel to a tournament. This quickly becomes predictable and limits development.

ECNL is not the only pathway to college but it is the most effective pathway. The league is oriented around the college recruitment process and your daughter will get far more exposure and regularly play against other college bound players because 90%+ players in ECNL end up playing in some level of college soccer.

College soccer isn’t Just about playing at top D1 programs (another thing these snake oil coaches poo poo if you don’t). There is a lot of money in lower ranked D1 schools and D2, and NAIA. Even then, it isn’t just about the money, it is (or should be) for the love of the game and if your son or daughter walks on and has the opportunity to play in college - WIN! Collegiate sports are a great experience and a lot of work! Oh yea.... college is about education first and foremost since that is what pays the bills after college.

Soccer is not an investment. Any parent who thinks this way is a fool. Soccer is a sport your child should play because they love the game. This is another problem with all clubs, they are too sterile. Kids need to play more unstructured soccer outside practice. Clubs are a structured grind so too many kids don’t want to play outside practice because the joy isn’t there.

Lastly, enjoy the time your child plays soccer. It goes by too fast and it is easy to get wound up over it. Your child will achieve what they are capable of achieving and willing to work for. They are both required.. Remember that there is absolutely nothing wrong playing second or third division or rec soccer as long as your child is motivated and loving the game and they are achieving their goals (like getting better).

I will end saying I can’t not take swipes at the coaching racket in Oregon. It is so so bad and absolutely what is holding oregon players and team success back. I don’t have anything productive to offer on the topic because nothing will change until boards find their spines and start holding their DOCs accountable.

This post should be required reading before posting on TS.

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This post should be required reading before posting on TS.

If you believe in fantasies & fairytales.

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If you believe in fantasies & fairytales.

Looks like we have one of those snake oil coaches with hurt feelings. Pound sand loser. That post is the most truthful post you will find on TS.

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Fair point. Here are the cliff notes...


There isn’t much difference between clubs anymore with the exception of ECNL and the now defunct DA/GDA so pick one in your neighborhood. Clubs will name programs “academies” and “elite” this or that. Until you’re competing out of the state you’re just playing local soccer, hitting the local tournament racket (this circle jerk agreement between clubs to make more money), and maybe an out of state tournament (best completion you will get). Coaches will poo poo travel leagues because they don’t have access to them and every player on their team brings in $1,500 give or take to their club. They will say anything to get you on their team if your child is a player they want or they need to fill their roster. There is zero integrity in this process. Snake oil salesman is the most accurate description. Lastly, coaches hate seeing their best players move on to better programs because, at the end of the day, it is about them. Coaches are not truthfully looking out for your child. They want the best players so they can win even if that means holding your child back with empty promises.

Utter horse manure. Obviously written by a scamming coach or DOC trying to peddle the nonsense that if your kiddo isn't hopping on a bus or plane every other month or so to go kick a soccer ball around, that they aren't "developing", and that only travel soccer (and the clubs that have "access" to permanent travel leagues) can adequately prepare a player for... what, I'm not entirely sure.

The money in youth soccer isn't with the B-team player playing $1500 a year, plus uniform fees, plus per diem for the road trips to Eugene. The big money in youth soccer is the rich parents who will send five times that amount on personal trainers, on airline tickets, and so forth.

Practice is NOT where players develop. This is complete nonsense. Practice is where players practice. Games are where players develop. Imagine going to school and never having tests. It is the same with soccer, where games are the tests. Games are where players develop composure, executing what they have learned at practice under real pressure, with players really kicking and hitting them (soccer is a contact sport). This is where players develop speed of play, creativity to break teams down and learn how to make plays happen. They learn how to win. Games are where players separate themselves. Lastly, you only develop game fitness playing games. There is no exception. Any coach who tell you different is selling snake oil and looking for your $1,500.

More horse pucky. Players develop every time they touch the damn ball. If the player is juggling in the driveway, or against a wall, or taking shots on an empty net in the park, he or she is developing. Playing pickup games with friends and neighbors or at a park with a pickup culture = developing, especially if the games involve older players. At practice = developing, whether it's doing drills, light scrimmages with the team, or more formal scrimmages against another team. And yes, development happens in games. But the moron who barfed the above rant in this forum would have us all believe that no development happens unless a player flies to California. Ridiculous.

This is like a music teacher saying that musicians don't develop with solo practice, or at music lessons, or at rehearsals with a group, or even jamming with buddies in the garage--that they only "develop" when performing before an audience. Which is complete nonsense. But then, music teachers generally aren't out trying to steal each others' students, nor making promises like "if you train with me, I'll get you booked at Carnegie Hall".

Many professional academies--the places run by pro clubs who know what they are doing, and who have a vested interest in producing players (and aren't taking their money), don't bother much with games, or view them as secondary, a yardstick of progress. They know the value in their program is the training, which at that level is extensive.

If a coach tells you that you can only "develop" by playing in Surf Cup or some showcase, that coach is a liar.

Travel leagues like ECNL are expensive! It is costs a lot to travel. The huge benefit is that players play teams they have never seen before and they have to adapt. This is important for development. You play the same 10 teams and players year after year in OYSA with the occasional new team when you travel to a tournament. This quickly becomes predictable and limits development.

ECNL has league play. OYSA has league play. ECNL has tournaments and showcases that are mandatory. OYSA teams can travel, or not, as they like. In ECNL league play, they also see the same teams over and over again--and since it's a closed league, without teams moving up and down between the levels, you're more likely to see the same teams over and over again.

ECNL is not the only pathway to college but it is the most effective pathway. The league is oriented around the college recruitment process and your daughter will get far more exposure and regularly play against other college bound players because 90%+ players in ECNL end up playing in some level of college soccer.

Here we finally have some truth--ECNL is indeed optimized for college recruiting. Of course, of that 90%, a lot of them are playing for Grand Canyon College or some diploma mill that has a soccer team. Which might not be a bad way to go if you want to extend your playing career as long as possible, and get a free education, even if it isn't a very good one; but it's not for everyone.

College soccer isn’t Just about playing at top D1 programs (another thing these snake oil coaches poo poo if you don’t). There is a lot of money in lower ranked D1 schools and D2, and NAIA. Even then, it isn’t just about the money, it is (or should be) for the love of the game and if your son or daughter walks on and has the opportunity to play in college - WIN! Collegiate sports are a great experience and a lot of work! Oh yea.... college is about education first and foremost since that is what pays the bills after college.

This part is true, too.

Soccer is not an investment. Any parent who thinks this way is a fool. Soccer is a sport your child should play because they love the game. This is another problem with all clubs, they are too sterile. Kids need to play more unstructured soccer outside practice. Clubs are a structured grind so too many kids don’t want to play outside practice because the joy isn’t there.

This is true as well.

Lastly, enjoy the time your child plays soccer. It goes by too fast and it is easy to get wound up over it. Your child will achieve what they are capable of achieving and willing to work for. They are both required.. Remember that there is absolutely nothing wrong playing second or third division or rec soccer as long as your child is motivated and loving the game and they are achieving their goals (like getting better).

And this.

I will end saying I can’t not take swipes at the coaching racket in Oregon. It is so so bad and absolutely what is holding oregon players and team success back. I don’t have anything productive to offer on the topic because nothing will change until boards find their spines and start holding their DOCs accountable.

But the biggest scammers and swindlers are a) the travel leagues, who are peddling access to the NCAA, and soaking rich parents in the process, b) the one-man-band clubs, run by talented grifters who usually can coach well, but if you're in the club but not playing for his team, you're probably getting ripped off, and c) the personal-training rackets that are constantly asking for more money for "privates" and flying off to Brazil or Spain for the "experience". The neighborhood clubs that limit out-of-state travel, play in OYSA, and are reasonably priced, are a very good value in comparison.

This post is so frustrating. It's like a crisp, freshly-baked doughnut that's been dipped in sh1t. The middle is spot on, but the first two paragraphs, as well as the last, are filled with self-serving nonsense and bald-faced lies. It's the sort of mixture of fact and fiction that is the hallmark of the con artist.