Pulisic an American real deal.

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So tired of watching US players like Altidore, Morris and Zardes gunning the field.

I expect much conversations about this young gentleman leading up to and after Russia 18 WC

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Yes he's American. But his training was not a traditional path and not easily replicated. DA isn't producing enough like him to help

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Yes he's American. But his training was not a traditional path and not easily replicated. DA isn't producing enough like him to help

There's plenty of Americans of his age cohort with similar training. A number of players of his generation have gone internationally

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Academy/College the coaches will always give preference to the fastest or biggest kid especially when the parents can pay.

They all want results TODAY for their institutes bragging rights and some to save their jobs.
MLS needs to step in and put a foot on this nonsense, place a stricken on College players that keeps them out of the league for 2 years if they set foot on a Campus field. I suspect that'll weed out the ones that wanna work on Wall Street.

We need more Hungry kids like Pulisic , kids paying 70k a year to play for Stanford and so on Puts a major flaw to the system. Morris is no Pulisic!

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There's plenty of Americans of his age cohort with similar training. A number of players of his generation have gone internationally

A handful isn't a trend and few are the same talent level or achievments internationally. There's loads more that tried and failed. DA still has a long, long way to go.

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Boys, girls, academy, ECNL, high school, college, nobody wants tactical or technical. Everybody wants big, size, fast boot it. That will never change.

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Academy/College the coaches will always give preference to the fastest or biggest kid especially when the parents can pay.

They all want results TODAY for their institutes bragging rights and some to save their jobs.
MLS needs to step in and put a foot on this nonsense, place a stricken on College players that keeps them out of the league for 2 years if they set foot on a Campus field. I suspect that'll weed out the ones that wanna work on Wall Street.

We need more Hungry kids like Pulisic , kids paying 70k a year to play for Stanford and so on Puts a major flaw to the system. Morris is no Pulisic!

College soccer is like HS soccer on steroids. It isn't where top 18-22 year old talent should be for development. But top players get nice packages to top schools and tthat is difficult to walk away from for lousy pay and uncertain futures. International players are paid better, there's far more leagues and clubs to play for - and if they want to go back to school later they are more likely to be able to afford it because a university education won't bankrupt you like it can here. Yes if MLS or clubs started guaranteeing money for college you would see more players giving it a shot. But they won't do it enough to make a difference

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A handful isn't a trend and few are the same talent level or achievments internationally. There's loads more that tried and failed. DA still has a long, long way to go.

It's more than a Handful and it's definitely a trend. Americans are going pro at younger and younger ages. Many of those are on a European teams too. Take a look at the two US team rosters in youth world cups. Plenty of European pro players on those youth World Cup roster

Yes not as talented as Pulisic but the the number of talented youngsters is higher than it's ever been before.

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It's more than a Handful and it's definitely a trend. Americans are going pro at younger and younger ages. Many of those are on a European teams too. Take a look at the two US team rosters in youth world cups. Plenty of European pro players on those youth World Cup roster

Yes not as talented as Pulisic but the the number of talented youngsters is higher than it's ever been before.

Once you move outside that handful of top youth players there are very few success stories. The fact that top players go abroad to continue to develop is also a troubling sign. Ideally they should get what they need to develop here. But obviously MLS is very weak and DA basically ends when you're done with high school. Those key 18-22 year old years are a black hole here - college soccer, low paid rookie on a garbage mls team or try to play abroad. Not great choices.

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Yes he's American. But his training was not a traditional path and not easily replicated. DA isn't producing enough like him to help

DA isn't producing ANY like him (and didn't produce him either).

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DA isn't producing ANY like him (and didn't produce him either).

Post OP here and I agree. He's a one in a million combo of freakish genetics, pro/college playing parents who didn't fuk his development up, a club that accommodated all his needs, and an EU passport. But others seem to think DA is teeming with great players ready to play in Europe. DA has moved the dial a few notches but that's it, ten years in.

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Post OP here and I agree. He's a one in a million combo of freakish genetics, pro/college playing parents who didn't fuk his development up, a club that accommodated all his needs, and an EU passport. But others seem to think DA is teeming with great players ready to play in Europe. DA has moved the dial a few notches but that's it, ten years in.

We are all on the same page but I tend to differ on the DA/college as only to blame.
My OP post point was in regards to the system and it's path leading to the pro level.
We all agree the USSF is following the proven European model for success but if we are going to follow that and we know it's successful then we need to go 100% in, which means no college involvement.
Europe or South America has no platform for this so why should we, let the kids who don't believe they will be pro continue believing that and separate them from the ones that do which will allow us to do more with those HS believers, there's thousands of US kids out in other countries with the only support is of their parents trying their best to make it , it's not only expensive to live but they have no support from the USSF or anyone else which ultimately leads to failure .
While one can easily say they were not talented enough but the fact is it's just damn hard to get through the red tape of things.

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We are all on the same page but I tend to differ on the DA/college as only to blame.
My OP post point was in regards to the system and it's path leading to the pro level.
We all agree the USSF is following the proven European model for success but if we are going to follow that and we know it's successful then we need to go 100% in, which means no college involvement.
Europe or South America has no platform for this so why should we, let the kids who don't believe they will be pro continue believing that and separate them from the ones that do which will allow us to do more with those HS believers, there's thousands of US kids out in other countries with the only support is of their parents trying their best to make it , it's not only expensive to live but they have no support from the USSF or anyone else which ultimately leads to failure .
While one can easily say they were not talented enough but the fact is it's just damn hard to get through the red tape of things.

It isn't realistic to have multiples of kids and their families pursuing European training - forget just red tape and finances but careers, schooling, siblings. DA should be meeting their training needs but isn't. We don't have the population or club density of other countries to reproduce what they have. Maybe if more MLS academies had residency programs so that the training was more intensive and consistent that would help. It would also take out the very real issue of our vast geography and unrealistic commutes for some families. But so would better coaching and management. Look to our MA neighbors for a prime lesson in MLS DA failure

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DA isn't producing ANY like him (and didn't produce him either).

How about Josh Sargent or Andrew Carleton

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How about Josh Sargent or Andrew Carleton

Those two guys are the real deal......DA is producing real gems (see Kellyn Acosta). Sit back...its happening. More emphasis on development from MLS, NASL and perhaps soon USL. As these clubs strengthen they will continue to push DA forward and hopefully end "pay to play" for our most talented youth. Leave the rich kids from the suburbs to play ECNL and college.